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Dragon2115
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I don't think you read my post quite well enough. Yes it did make them leave me alone, however it did not solve the problem. Both of them obviously lost some honour, they made sure to grow stronger and found someone else to bully. They didn't stop being the school bullies, they just realized picking on me was a bad choice.
The only thing they learnt was to find a weaker enemy.


Exactly, no matter what you did they were still bullies. That's their nature. The only difference being that they weren't picking on you any more. I'd say the intended result was achieved in that regard. The bottom line is that we can't make people stop being bullies. That's something they have to decide for themselves. But you can't refuse to fight them or they'll continue with their behavior. The big problem is that this behavior is encouraged by figures who gain power through spreading half truths, outright lies to create havoc. Thgey're known as victim merchants. They convince people that all their woes are because of someone else and that they should strike out against them in retaliation for their perceived injustice. There will be no appeasing these people for without conflict they have no power and that's what they crave. You'll notice that when times got tough Sadr beat feet for Iran rather than stand shoulder to shoulder with his Mahdi Army and risk personal physical harm. If peace were to actually break out in Iraq people like Sadr would become irrelevant, or at least marginallized, and they know it.

As for how people feel about us in the world, they'll get over it. They will if they want their foriegn aid checks that is. Quite frankly I'm tired of supporting people that take our money with one hand and then give us the finger with the other.

As for WWII, please remember that England was within a year of collapse. If the U.S. hadn't gotten involved England would also be speaking German right now. As for the merchant fleet it would have been decimated by the U-boats had it not been for the industrial might of the U.S. and being able to crack out a Liberty ship in a week or less. Iow, we built them faster than they could sink them.
05-09-2008 02:21 PM
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Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway

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Exactly, no matter what you did they were still bullies. That's their nature. The only difference being that they weren't picking on you any more. I'd say the intended result was achieved in that regard. The bottom line is that we can't make people stop being bullies.

My intended results wasn't all achieved. I wanted them both to stop being bullies, I was 7/8 years old and had hoped a response in their own method would be do the trick, amazingly it didn't, what a surprise. I brought those experiences with me and stopped responding in that way. You know what, I haven't had the need later on, not even when working as a doorman...and I did have more than my share of idiots....my point was actually exactly what you now say...

Now the contradictions are flying. First you say you can't stop the bullies, yet you preach the use of violence. If the bullies cannot be stopped with violence why the heck are you using it to stop them???

That was my point exactly, it doesn't work. Thanks for confirming it...

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05-09-2008 02:53 PM
 
 
umdpru
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umdpru that don't join the military to help in the fight you feel is going to kill us all.

Sealerman, look at my gallery and then tell me that I haven't served my country.

What have you done for your country lately? Other than hate it!?!?

Tintin,

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Why has Jihad been declared, do you have the faintest idea? Do you think it was because of the excellent diplomatic skills the US has shown the world? Or might there be other reasons? Maybe it's the unselfish render of aid and assitance to those in need?
Might that yapping monkey prez who's threateing other countries with invasion have any effect you think?

How come they don't declare Jihad against everybody who's not a muslim?? Why are you the main target you think Mr Wiseguy?

Any ideas Mr Einstein??

Do your homework before spouting off. Jihad was declared on US long before this monkey president was in office. Jihad was decalred on us becuase Islam is a violent culture that believes that everyone else who doesn't believe in Islam should die for Islam. Plain and simple!
05-09-2008 02:56 PM
 
 
umdpru
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Location: Massachusetts

Tintin

All you hippie peaceloving assholes over there didn't want to fight Hitler when he was threatening to take over Europe. You wanted to be diplomatic with him and try to pacify him.

Look where that got you, you idiot!
05-09-2008 03:02 PM
 
 
Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway

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Do your homework before spouting off. Jihad was declared on US long before this monkey president was in office. Jihad was decalred on us becuase Islam is a violent culture that believes that everyone else who doesn't believe in Islam should die for Islam. Plain and simple!

Yeah, that's what you think after a good brainwash. Nothing you have ever done has anything to do with it. Previous involvement in the middle east are of absolutely no importance is it Mr Einstein?

How old are you, 10-12?? And history is a subject you don't like much??

It's so sad when people don't realize the potential of their own brain and just go on being being content with using minor parts of it...

If someone has a violent culture it's gotta be you...

I repeat myself. Why is it that Jihad has been declared on you and not me if what you are saying is true?

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that believes that everyone else who doesn't believe in Islam should die for Islam

None of the muslims I know believe this and no Islamic country or person has declared Jihad on my country....your statements is just plain crap and you know it, or maybe that brainwashing stuff really works...

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05-09-2008 03:08 PM
 
 
umdpru
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Location: Massachusetts

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Yeah, that's what you think after a good brainwash. Nothing you have ever done has anything to do with it. Previous involvement in the middle east are of absolutely no importance is it Mr Einstein?

How old are you, 10-12?? And history is a subject you don't like much??

It's so sad when people don't realize the potential of their own brain and just go on being being content with using minor parts of it...

If someone has a violent culture it's gotta be you...

I repeat myself. Why is it that Jihad has been declared on you and not me if what you are saying is true?

I haven't been brainwashed. Perhaps you have though? Jihad has been declared against us because we stepped in to free Kuwait from an evil dictator. We did this when EVERY other Islamic country on the planet besides Saudi Arabia refused to do a thing about it.

The bigger reason is that we have helped Israel.

You aren't very good at mind reading or prediction.

And Jihad hasn't been declared on Norway because you pussies have decided to cower to give in to the demands of the Islamic Fundamentalist.

That is what distinguishes a great country from a piss ant hole in the wall frozen tundra ****hole like your's. We aren't afraid to stand up to bullies.

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None of the muslims I know believe this and no Islamic country or person has declared Jihad on my country....your statements is just plain crap and you know it, or maybe that brainwashing stuff really works...

Ever hear of the Quran? It's in there...
05-09-2008 03:13 PM
 
 
Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway

I'm so happy most of your contrymen doesn't are not that dense and doesn't share you views.

That book has been quoted slightly too many times and I can show you equally many quotes from the bible to prove it's no better....does that prove the christian belief is violent if I do?

What's really your problem, are you in denial?

There are fantics in every religion. Some have evolved more than others. Sadly enough for you that takes time so you will probably not be able to evolve enough to stop fearing muslims...

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05-09-2008 03:26 PM
 
 
Pistol_Pete
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@ LoinSD
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not too long ago they were called communist
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another clueless jackass...

gee...you figure with all that "education" that you brag about in here you would have had a clue that I was referring to this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_...ican_Activities

or you could have at least ask

BTW...thanks for the compliment...i'll try keeping my blinds closed next time just for you...or not...since you already know

you sure have a gift of making friends fast don't you?

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
05-09-2008 03:34 PM
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Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway

http://www.fxhobby.no/Mapper/Media/...0SEsealevel.wmv

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05-09-2008 03:50 PM
 
 
umdpru
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Location: Massachusetts

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There are fantics in every religion. Some have evolved more than others. Sadly enough for you that takes time so you will probably not be able to evolve enough to stop fearing muslims...

I'm an Atheist and I am not fearful of Muslims one bit. You and your countrywomen have shown that you are scared of the bully Muslim fanatics. Afterall, who has chosen to give the bully a black eye? Certainly not your country.
05-09-2008 04:21 PM
 
 
Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway

Oh, so you do not fear another 9-11 then?

Ok that makes me wonder why the heck your guys are still in Iraq trying to find people you are not afraid of?

What would I be afraid of, they are not a threat to me, do you think they are?? Sigh, another brainwash sign....

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05-09-2008 04:31 PM
 
 
Dragon2115
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Location: New England

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That was my point exactly, it doesn't work. Thanks for confirming it...

On the contrary, you yourself proved that it does. If it didn't then your torment by the bullies would not have ended until someone else stepped in on your behalf. The approach you espouse is what made you an easy target to be picked on in the first place when you were a kid. Nothing has changed except that the school yard has gotten a lot bigger. In your own words you proved that trying to negotiate with some people simply does not work. To them it's simply a sign of weakness that can be exploited. When you finally fought back however they realized that there was a very real chance of being hurt themselves. That made them leave you alone and go off in search of easier prey. What you should have learned from that is that sometimes having the potential to use force is not enough. Sometimes you have to use it. It's been demostrated throughout history that certain people cannot play well with others and that given the chance will try to bully anyone they perceive as weaker than they are. The problem you have is that you think you can convert all these bad people into good ones when that simply is not true. There will always be people that are bad to the bone. Given the above I suggest it is you sir that has not learned from past lessons.
05-09-2008 05:49 PM
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umdpru
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Location: Massachusetts

Tintin, nice video. THe most original flying site I have ever seen. Awesome!

No, I don't fear another 9-11. You can't live your life in fear. Which is why we are doing what we are doing.

The real truth here is that you and your peace loving "war is not the answer" kind are too ignorant of the dangers that Radical Islamics pose to the freedom you enjoy so much!

I served. I don't agree with our reasons for invading Iraq. I didn't make that choise. I agree with our reasons for invading Afghanistan though. That was not a mistake. The mistake was invading Iraq. They could have waited until we mopped up the towel heads in Afghanistan.

Done.

I'm out
05-09-2008 05:53 PM
 
 
Dragon2115
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Location: New England

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What would I be afraid of, they are not a threat to me, do you think they are??

You certainly should think they're a threat to you. Don't believe it? Try printing another round of Mohammad cartoons or articles that talk down about Islam and see what happens. If you think the response will be nothing but a few harshly worded letters to the editor then you have a short memory.

Btw, have those cartoonists come out of hiding yet?
05-09-2008 05:54 PM
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dhollein
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Location: Tucson, AZ

So remind me again why someone from Norway is so involved in this discussion? Last time I checked I don't recall Norway having any kind of influence on this subject.

Population of NORWAY = 4,627,926
Population of NEW YORK = 8,250,567


We have almost double your country's population in ONE state, Tintin. Leave your rhetoric to the big boys.




Hilarious!



05-09-2008 07:36 PM
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LouInSD
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Location: San Diego CA USA

Ump,

Your ideas have already been proven wrong...

Al Qaeda is gaining in strength because of the Chimps phuckups. He has played right into the terrorists hands at every turn.

The Chimp administration keeps telling us that they are tracking down top leaders in AQ, yet they keep getting stronger. Why is that? Because bombing innocent people in Iraq only HELPS AQ's recruiting efforts. Bush has been the best recruiting tool that Bin Laden could ever ask for...

We've been here before. The lesson we (some of us) learned in Vietnam is that you can't fight a guerrilla war with conventional warfare.

Yet here we are again being told that we are in a war on terror and that the military is going to solve everything. Bush has created more terrorists than he has killed...

every innocent person you kill radicalizes ten moderates...who then look to get revenge...

is 8 years of failure not enough yet?

Maybe not for you, but 73% of Americans think so...
05-09-2008 07:58 PM
 
 
LouInSD
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Location: San Diego CA USA

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So remind me again why someone from Norway is so involved in this discussion?

Europeans are much more realistic and pragmatic when it comes to matters of war because they have actually had war on their soil.

Americans are like the pimply faced teenager on the world stage, all balls and no brains.

Remind me again why some guy in AZ is involved in this discussion? You guys voted against a holiday for MLK. Talk about cavemen...that is pathetic...
05-09-2008 08:02 PM
 
 
Dragon2115
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Location: New England

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We've been here before. The lesson we (some of us) learned in Vietnam is that you can't fight a guerrilla war with conventional warfare.

Yes we have, and what we should have learned is that if you're going to go to war with someone you go all the way. When Nixon got pissed at North Vietnam for leaving the peace talks he authorized operation Linebacker II, the unrestricted bomobing of all military targets in North Vietnam. (Iow what we should have done right from the start of the war) It smashed their infrastructure and they returned to the peace talks where we proceeded to snatch defeat right out of the jaws of victory. Some of the NVA generals later admitted that had we continued the bombing campaign for another week or two they would have been forced to surrender. Like it or not that is fact.

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Maybe not for you, but 73% of Americans think so...

And the average person these days has the attention span of a goldfish, eleven and a half seconds. Iow, if things start to go right you'll see that 73% suddenly swing the other way faster than you'll know what happened.

A more apt way of putting it would be,

Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.
John F. Kennedy
05-09-2008 08:18 PM
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Dragon2115
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Europeans are much more realistic and pragmatic when it comes to matters of war because they have actually had war on their soil.

I'm sure the ethinic Albanians would have something to say about that. And speaking of which who was it that went in and took care of that matter for them? Was it Norway? How about the French? Spain? IIRC they were all set to just stand by and watch it happen. That may have been pragmatic for them but not for the Albanians.
05-09-2008 08:23 PM
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Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway

Well Dragon you interpret stuff to suit your ideas. Fact is it didn't help at all, yes they chose an easier target which helped me, but not the easier target. Are you saying it's ok to scare them off and let them bully someone else, is that your goal??

In my eyes the only viable solution is that they stop bulling entirely. Hitting back didn't accomplish that at all, it just encouraged them to get stronger (which is exactly what you see in your war). I had a couple of years wile studying where I extraed as a bouncer. I was almost the only one of us that never got into a fight. Why? Well in my eyes because I never did anything to provoke a fight. In effectivity I was only beaten by one, a girl...none of us ever used other means than diplomacy and nothing stronger than a firm but friendly hand on the shoulder. This wasn't even here at home but abroad. Lot's were provoked by a foreigner denying them entrance and I clearly got a sniff of discrimination. I never needed more than words to calm the situation.

As to the Mohammed drawings, why should I want to print them again when I know a lot of people find them offensive? Just like you find it offensive that people burn your flag. To me 2 matters are no different. I don't pick a fight, hence people see no need to start one with me.

I'm still puzzled by the fact that you were the one that funded the Taliban and helped them get strong. What ****head made that decision?

I'll grant you this one:
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It's been demonstrated throughout history that certain people cannot play well with others and that given the chance will try to bully anyone they perceive as weaker than they are

In my eyes that's exactly what you thought you were about to do in Iraq. Ok, yes the guy you chose to pick on was a fanatic bully himself, but just like my bullies you got smacked on the nose, kinda like in Nam. Difference I learnt from my mistake, you haven't yet and so far it's cost you 4000 + lives isn't it? Is it really worth it?
I don't think so.

Big boys? Who's that? Would that be you? What on earth has the number of inhabitants got to do with this discussion? We are just debating a subject, I don't think anyone here is running for office.
There's that incredibly stupid attitude that so many despice, me included. You are welcome to join the debate if you decide not to be a moron Is it really possible to have such an attitude to your fellow earthlings, what the heck makes you any more special than any other Tom, Dick, Harry, Hillary or Mohammed?? Are you saying stuff written here will influence, but only if written by one of you big guys? Are you a freaking idiot or are you just trying to pass off as one?

Radical muslims are dangerous as long as they have a target. As long as you make sure not to become that target you have no problem. You are not to good at that...

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05-09-2008 08:26 PM
 
 
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