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RonHill
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You see most of us can't really connect socialism to kill the rest.

1st has you on this one. The Nazi party was all about left wing ideals for the chosen group of people. Their actions of hatred against the Jews do not fit into the typical socialist views as most people see socialism. But that does not change that they were socialists as far as politics were concerned.

05-19-2008 04:20 PM

Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway

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The origin might have come from some ideas about socialism, but in real life....

Supposedly a leftie :-)

05-19-2008 04:44 PM

1stPlace
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Location: Ohio USA

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The origin might have come from some ideas about socialism, but in real life....

In real life, Nazi's are socialists. They are fascist socialists.

I'll ask you one more time:
Please tell me when or where, Nazis' have ever embraced free markets or equality of opportunity for everyone.

Hat man dir mal ins Gehirn geschissen und vergessen umzuruhren?

05-19-2008 04:57 PM

Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway

Have I claimed that?

Supposedly a leftie :-)

05-19-2008 05:04 PM

1stPlace
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Location: Ohio USA

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Have I claimed that?

Yes, you have...

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you sure you don't want to check up on those history lessons of yours before you're calling Adolf a lefty??

If you think that right wingers are socialists, than you are sadly mistaken about what the right wing is.

Extreme right = Anarchist... Extreme left = Communist.

Hat man dir mal ins Gehirn geschissen und vergessen umzuruhren?

05-19-2008 05:12 PM

Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway

Who was it that accused me of pulling things out of context?

I cannot recall having said rw=socialist, if I've stated something it's clearly the opposite.

Are you afraid of being put in the same box as AH? Is that what this is about??

Supposedly a leftie :-)

05-19-2008 05:28 PM

RonHill
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The origin might have come from some ideas about socialism, but in real life...

If the origin is socialist...Then it *is* socialist. You may not agree with the methods (and I don't think anyone really agrees with the methods), but they were socialist.

I fail to see how you can logically debate that.

05-19-2008 05:47 PM

1stPlace
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Location: Ohio USA

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Are you afraid of being put in the same box as AH? Is that what this is about??

Not in the least... You are the one that equates Hitler to a right winger... Not me.

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I cannot recall having said rw=socialist, if I've stated something it's clearly the opposite.

Equating Hitler to the right wing, is equating socialists to the right wing. Now, you're back peddling.

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You see most of us can't really connect socialism to kill the rest.

Why not? Are you afraid of being put in the same box as Hitler?

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The origin might have come from some ideas about socialism, but in real life....

Please continue that statement. "but in real life..." What were you insinuating?

Hat man dir mal ins Gehirn geschissen und vergessen umzuruhren?

05-19-2008 05:59 PM

Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway

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Equating Hitler to the right wing, is equating socialists to the right wing. Now, you're back peddling.

Well, it's here our opinions differ. Even if I put Hitler to the right, I don't put the socialists there as I don't count him as one. (but I surely would put you there). You are convinced Hitler was a socialist, I'm not, it's really as simple as that.

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Why not? Are you afraid of being put in the same box as Hitler?

The best you could come up with?

I'm insinuating that Nazi ideology differs from the common socialistic.

Supposedly a leftie :-)

05-19-2008 06:15 PM

1stPlace
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Location: Ohio USA

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Well, it's here our opinions differ. Even if I put Hitler to the right, I don't put the socialists there as I don't count him as one.

If Hitler was not a socialist, than what was he?

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Why not? Are you afraid of being put in the same box as Hitler?

The best you could come up with?

Do you always answer a question with a question?

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I'm insinuating that Nazi ideology differs from the common socialistic.

Other than the holocaust, how does it differ?

Hat man dir mal ins Gehirn geschissen und vergessen umzuruhren?

05-19-2008 06:27 PM

Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway

He was a nazi.
It differs in the way it is governed. I'd say common socialistic ideology is about democracy, it's the people that governm

The German Nationalsocialism (GNS) was not founded on the modern principal of people sovereignity with democratic procedures for the change of a goverment.(sorry if my translations here are not 100% clear)
The GNS was tied to a political party and a leader (führer) which ment it was impossible to get rid of AH in a legal manner when he was in power.

In fact he acted imperialistic as he started his expansion politics in the 40's.

Supposedly a leftie :-)

05-19-2008 07:07 PM

1stPlace
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Location: Ohio USA

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It differs in the way it is governed. I'd say common socialistic ideology is about democracy, it's the people that governm

Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany in 1930. In 1933, he became fuhrer when he was democratically elected by the German people. Shortly after that, Hitlers cabinet gave him the power of Chancellor and Fuhrer, effectively ending the German democracy.

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The German Nationalsocialism (GNS) was not founded on the modern principal of people sovereignity with democratic procedures for the change of a goverment.

But it was founded on the modern principal of peoples sovereignty with democratic procedures for the change of a government. In 1919, Germany was proclaimed the Weimar Republic, a representative republic, just like the U.S.A. It was one corrupt leader named Hitler, who changed it from a democratic socialist country, to a dictatorship... After WWII, they once again became a representative republic, just like the U.S.A.

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In fact he acted imperialistic as he started his expansion politics in the 40's.

Actually, that was in the 30's and ended in 1945

Hat man dir mal ins Gehirn geschissen und vergessen umzuruhren?

05-19-2008 07:46 PM

LouInSD
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Location: San Diego CA USA

1stPlace,

Thank you for failing Poli Sci 101. I'm not sure if you dont really know this or youre just playing the old Sean Hannity trick of trying to pretend that Nazism was left wing because it had the name socialism in the title.

Nazism had NOTHING to do with left wing politics, and NOTHING to do with socialism. It was placed in the title because Hitler was pandering to the socialists and the workers for votes. He promised them all kinds of things and then promptly rounded up the communists and socialists, intellectuals and Jews and sent them to the concentration camps as soon as he got the chance.

Nazism is right wing by definition and is only a little farther to the right than Republicanism.

So dont even try it...

Nazism is a form of fascism which is necessarily RIGHT WING...

I realize you far righties would love to take the blood of the holocaust off the hands of the right wing and place the blame on the left but it won't work...

anyone who has studied the basics of poli sci knows better than to make this mistake...

05-20-2008 04:00 AM

Inspector Fuzz
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Location: My own private Idaho.

The Nazi'a were left wing.
GUN CONTROL.
VAMDALISM, aka Krystal Nacht. Not too differnet from the vandalism you see by liberal left wing groups. I.e. animal lovers spraypaint furs and freeing monkeys. ELF members burning houses and SUV's etc.
NAZI's also nationalized many industrys.
They had the "one standard for us and another standard for the rest of you. Ala, Al Gore.
And to top it all off, they invented the Volkswagen. How liberal can you get.
JEFF

Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours

05-20-2008 04:07 AM

LouInSD
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Location: San Diego CA USA

LOL, you should take your comedy act on the road...

un. believable. LOL

05-20-2008 04:26 AM

Tintin
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Location: Akershus, Norway