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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Spectra-g's flight #451 Disaster
 
 
Gas and Go
Heliman
Location: Western Wisconsin- USA

As far as the old fart hitting you friends car and causing damage, you should have called the cops and got his ass a ticket, and raise his insurance rates!!!!!!!!!!!
05-02-2008 06:15 AM
 
 
gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

Sorry this happened to you Raja.
Personally I cannot say what Id do to the guys who flew into you, and the wrinkly old oxygen thief who appears to have set it, as Id get banned from this forum pronto.
Dirt bags like that make my blood boil, and if it were to happen to me, they'd pay in a bad way.
Again sorry it happened to you mate. I notice more and more that people are getting more selfish and careless toward others in every day life. Seems to know no bounds at the moment.....

If you bling it, they will come :D
05-02-2008 12:17 PM
 
 
rilandtg
New Heliman
Location: waldorf md usa

Raja, Thanks for posting what happened to you! You may have saved me alot of grief as I do not belong to a club yet. I have two choices in my area, the first is a mostly plank club seven miles from my house and the second is an all Heli about 35 miles away. I was going to join the first club and hope for the best but now before joining I will be spending some time there observing what goes on. I would rather drive the extra miles than put up with crap from some jerk. Hopefully the guys at the club closer to me are not heli haters. Thanks to you, I will find this out before spending my money on dues!
05-02-2008 01:59 PM
 
 
AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

Raja,

I am not saying this to blow smoke. I am saying this because it is true. I haven’t met a more understanding, easy to get along with, more helpful guy than you. I don’t believe retaliation is in you and I think it is the wrong avenue to take. Flying clubs have little authority to deal with this kind of situation. Forget your club making things right. However, our society has a way of dealing with your situation. Take your case to small claims. When you are in front of the judge tell him that the offender broke the rules set down by the AMA and an accident resulted. Don’t mention that it was intentional. Let the judge figure it out himself (odds are he will). Take the course that you are not looking for full restitution but a fair settlement. Let the judge decide. It is also good to tell the judge that you tried to settle this with a gentlemen’s agreement and the offender offered no financial restitution.

If the guy is too embarrassed and doesn’t show up for court he will be found guilty and learn something about our legal system. Believe me it will hit home. Once he has been pinched the word will travel fast through the flying club and his buddies won’t be to enthusiastic about trying the stunt again. Don’t worry about retaliation on the part of the offender because any malicious act as a result of the courts findings is a damn fool thing to do. The offender could end up in jail as a result.

Right now this character is taking advantage of your good nature. I know it will be a hard thing for you to do but don’t let him get away with it. Every time you fly at that club now your mind will be cluttered with uncertainties.

Ace
What could be more fun?
05-02-2008 04:55 PM
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rkeith2
Veteran
Location: Norco, CA

We had an a - hole (best possible description) for the old fart and we finally had to go to court on some actions and barred him from the field.

Despite the few small everyday issues, all is good in River City since then.

I am the current president and came in during the confusion and had to play politics for a long time as I knew not the "rest of the story" -

My 2 cents on the initial pragraph Raj -

If someone does a hit and run and acts that way, an arrest and night in jail is all good.


05-02-2008 05:11 PM
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GyroFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

Ace Bird has it right, go to small claims court. Particularly since you have a witness and truck damage. He will probably settle out of court to save court cost and the hassle of going down to the court house. I used Small claims court once and the guy didn't show so I was awarded my claims and he got court cost. Unfortunately he left the state so I was left holding some legal documents allowing me to lien his house (didn't have one) and attach his bank account (he closed it and left).

I know you are not the kind who will want to do this, but it will set a precedent for all old and young farts to be careful what they do at the flying field.

Your Friend Old Fart Helifreak

Support bacteria. They're the only culture some people have. !
05-02-2008 05:14 PM
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

Its not in me guys

Ace is right, retaliation is not in my nature to do it, and suing people is even worse, I'd never resort to that even if I slipped on someone's icy driveway and got hurt. I see alot of people do such a thing to get dollars (and that actually bothers me), but that goes againt my values and I'd never do it.

What I would really like is some respect at the field. I just feel now that with no consequences that is hard to come by, as yes he hit my heli but he didn't have to pay for it so who cares for him right?

If you turn the table around and I hit someone I'd feel responsible and I'd buy them a new plane or whatever they were flying, but that is just me.

I told him that day I'm asking him to pay and help out with the damage, and, depending on what kind of guy he is he will either pay up or shut up and avoid it. I'm going to make a bill and give it to him to see what sort of damage he caused, so that at least its on his mind.

Between me and you guys, if he actually pays me or makes a payment plan and pays all the money he owed and felt that the money is gone and he paid for his mistake, after he was done paying and knew it was "over", I think I would go back and give him all his money back. He could really use that money more than I do, but, I'd like him to feel some responsibility and pay for it first and then later I'd reward him so to speak by saying hey here's you money back, thanks for being a gentleman and be more careful from now on.

That's all I'm looking for. Some respect of my airspace, and people not flying around or through my craft no matter how close they were and even if they say "I was nowhere near ya" when I bitch about it. There is no reason for them to fly is the same airspace, there is alot more free space out there, and it really bugs me when I see them coming and they don't turn off before they get there. What...you don't look ahead or you don't care, either way its not right.

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
05-02-2008 06:15 PM
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jschenck
Elite Veteran
Location: La Vista, NE.

You are being more than reasonable.
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I'm going to make a bill and give it to him to see what sort of damage he caused, so that at least its on his mind.
Sounds like a really good plan.

Once again, you can't legislate common sense and courtesy even in club rules. So the best you can do is try and develop a club atmosphere that promotes good behavior on the flightline.

...yep...
05-02-2008 07:25 PM
 
 
Wyn
Senior Heliman
Location: Oregon, USA

Hi Raja,

Glad to hear the chopper is back together. On the advice, I'd say trust your instincts about these two guys, and build consensus in the group (before a meeting) about new rules/bylaws.

Best of luck,

Wyn
VoltMagic
05-02-2008 08:27 PM
 
 
vrwired
Senior Heliman
Location: Boulder County, CO

Sorry Raj.. Glad to hear your heli is about back on track. This is all really disturbing.. Maybe we shoul cross post this guys name and face on all the web forums.

1. If it was your friends car, it was his job to call the cops.. which should have been done after giving him a chance to own up and pay.

2. It was either intentional.. or an intentional mistake as described as a "Blow By" gone wrong (or right in the spotters eyes)

3. All this stuff needs to be brought up for sure at the meetings (I'm sure you are or have).

4. The guy was lucky it wasnt me, cause I would have caused him pain. Heh.
Im not really a pacifist more like a pass-a-fist.. as in knuckle sandwich.. The way iv'e grown up, we always were scrappin things out.. just a bunch of guys.. let the beatings begin.. people that act that way are asking for it anyway.

5. Ok, well.. I talk tough, but am also logical.. at my age and maturity level now .. I try to let the law handle things.. Your story really gets me wriled up.

Good luck with however it turns out.

Matt

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05-02-2008 08:36 PM
 
 
AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

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I see alot of people do such a thing to get dollars (and that actually bothers me), but that goes againt my values and I'd never do it.

I can assure you Raja, I detest frivolous lawsuits as much as you do. Small claims are a way of getting an unbiased judgment. It is not a lawyer based game like you see on TV.

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Between me and you guys, if he actually pays me or makes a payment plan and pays all the money he owed and felt that the money is gone and he paid for his mistake, after he was done paying and knew it was "over", I think I would go back and give him all his money back.

If he had any remorse in the first place he would have felt bad and offered you something even if it hurt himself financially. I hope your future flying experiences are not hampered because I suspect that this guy will blow off any reasonable arrangement you try to make with him. Unfortunately, not everyone has your good nature and values. If they did the accident would have never occurred in the first place.

Good luck my friend, I feel terrible that this happened to you.

How is the wife taking this? I am certain she feels your pain.

Ace
What could be more fun?
05-02-2008 09:13 PM
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xcellgasman101
Key Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

Taking someone like this to small claims court, will do nothing,,, except waist your time and money,, Even if you win,,, all your going to get is a piece of paper that say's he owes you some money,,That's it,, Small Claim Court is a joke,,, Your doing the right thing, Raja,,, Put together a bill and confront him at one of your club meeting, and see what happens,, I'll bet he still wont pay,, but it will make him look like a fool in front of the other members... And what ever you do... Don't leave the club, that's your flying field too.. Just show up allot more, and make there lives more miserable... XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
05-02-2008 11:14 PM
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rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

Agreed!

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Don't leave the club, that's your flying field too.. Just show up allot more, and make there lives more miserable.

And while I fly planes as well as helis there, I think I'm going to fly my helis more often than my planes as I know that bothers them! (and they are not all bad, only a select few who don't like helis).

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
05-03-2008 03:08 AM
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rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

I'm finally smiling!

As late as it was just a few minutes ago, I got her off the ground under her own power and hovered in the back yard with the porch lights on. Adjusted the blade tracking with one turn of a link, and adjusted the tail rotor drift in normal mode with one turn on that pushrod.

She hovered hands off in perfect trim after adjusting the rear bellcrank pushrod one turn. Its a little more noseheavy now as I built it with a CF tailboom.

Tried to spend as little time in the air as possible and shut the engine off in-between adjustments, as I could see the neighbors next door watching some TV and I didn't want to disturb them too much

Sleep easy tonight, and looking forward to putting her through the paces tomorrow!

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
05-03-2008 04:04 AM
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turbogti
Senior Heliman
Location: St. Andrew, Jamaica

Woo Hooo the raj is back
Good work Raj, looking forward to some photos of the ship.

****Predator Gasser SE - She's Ready to rumble ***
05-03-2008 04:24 AM
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xcellgasman101
Key Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

Congrats Raja, I know you feel better now.... It's always nice to get them back into the air were they belong after a crash,,, XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
05-03-2008 05:15 AM
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andyman_sf
Senior Heliman
Location:

Reasons like these is why the FAA instituted standard procedures for the airspace in different airports. I would suggest that your club institute a standard traffic pattern and standard traffic altitude. ie TPA of maybe 100ft or below everyone commits to left traffic pattern and everyone always knows which runway to use by checking the windsock or something. Helicopters would also be required to abide by the same rules. And no 2 models should be on the runway at the same time.


Standard rules around the airspace or below TPA should solve most of the air space problems and violation of rules should result on cancelation of membership if found guilty.


As for the jerk that caused your problem. I recommend you take him to small claims court. This would include the truck collision. I think statuory limitions to file a claim is 1 year and instead of being a nice guy I think you should just make an example of these guys. Good luck and for pete sakes, get a hold of your airspace!
05-03-2008 05:52 AM
 
 
Brunobl
Senior Heliman
Location: Rio de Janeiro, RJ - Brazil

Sorry for the crash, glad for the fix.

Hey Raja,

I was speechlees when reading your first post on this thread. How can someone in their right mind pull up from nowhere and fly into a helicopter overhead?

Had it happened to me, I'd sum up the repair cost and let him know in no uncertain terms that I expect him to split it. Even if he didn't, he'd be more careful not to repeat the stunt. Ace has a good point too, that if the guy isn't prepared to cover his accidents costs, he should at least abide by AMA flying rules. That should be pointed out to him too.

Anyway I'm glad to know the Spectra is back in the air. That was fast!

Regarding the possibility that the mid-air was intentional, just go to the field and have fun with the Spectra. Surely the offenders fully expected a much longer downtime. Getting back into the air in record time will teach those guys a couple of lessons:

1. They know nothing about helicopters. Helis can be fixed ad infinitum and flying into them will destroy the plank while the heli can come back for more in just a few days.
2. They know nothing about Raja. You are not going away any time soon.

Decide whether or not you will take legal action against the guy be it in small claims or within the club's realm (getting him suspended or whatever), get it done with and forget.

Long after you have forgotten this episode, every time they see you fly they will remember that your Spectra was flying again just a few days after the plank dissapeared in a cloud of styrofoam dust. Some "helicopter hunting", eh.

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Best regards,
Bruno.
05-03-2008 01:27 PM
 
 
AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

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Just show up allot more, and make there lives more miserable... XGM/VGM

I will never understand your logic. The guy used a 60 dollar plane to take out Raja's 3000 dollar heli. How does that make him miserable? It took a serious amount of flying skill to do that. Have you ever tried aerial combat 1 on 1?

I think you should let Raja use your heli for the next triumph this guy gets when it happens again. This person has no regard for rules so making a bunch more isn't going to help.

If the club had a strong governing body and investigation would have commenced through its safety director without Raja doing anything. The fact that members left the club to form their own shows the direction that this club has gone.

Raja if you want to take the dog fight route I will give you one of my cardboard trainers. With a .60 and set up as a taildragger it will fly like a bullet and is very indestructible when up against a balsa plane. For years it was used for a paint ball shoot event at fun flies.



Ace
What could be more fun?
05-03-2008 02:10 PM
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ddierking
Senior Heliman
Location: O'Fallon, MO - USA

Raja, we need more guys like you in this hobby and less @ssholes. You have always been a great asset here. I need to get one of those generators from you some day for my new predator condor.

YOU THE MAN!

Dan Dierking
Gohbee Field Rep
Gohbee Stinger 50,Phazor 600,Trex600,Predator Condor
05-03-2008 02:29 PM
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