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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > Is there a Pantera ARF?
 
 
gilliraldi
Senior Heliman
Location: Burlington, MA

I am going to be getting a Pantera shortly - I already have a Tiger and LOVE it!. But, I am just wondering if there is an ARf version of this heli. If not, how long is the build time? I have two young kids at home so my time for hobbies is minimal at best.

Hello, Peter. What's happening? We need to talk about your TPS reports
04-30-2008 07:21 PM
 
 
MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

Yes, they sell one in the U.K. It's the Twister Pantera 50. J. Perkins distributes it there.

http://www.jperkinsdistribution.co....s%20-%20Twister

Marty,
6 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-30-2008 07:40 PM
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MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

I'd buy the $259 kit direct from John and assemble it yourself. It's about two evenings if you have built one before. I think I have about 10 hours from opening the box to flying. I'm a bit anal so one could probably slap it together a little faster. I enjoy the building so I'm not in a hurry and dont believe in "slapping". If you are totally NOT up to building, have the kit sent to me and I'll assemble it for you for free. Just pay the shipping on to you after I have it assembled. Then you just drop in your electronics and finish the setup.

Marty,
6 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-30-2008 07:45 PM
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jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Marty, you're a great guy and that's a very generous offer, but you'd end up doing Dan a disservice. Let me explain.

We ceased offering the full ARF models because too many customers didn't know how to repair their models once they crashed and thereby quit the sport, which is a terrible thing. At one time we offered both an ARF, and a full on kit. We discovered the retention rates for owners who purchased kits was more than double that of ARF customers. Once we figured out what was going on we've had a far greater success rate, i.e. in keeping our customers in the sport.

The semi-ARF is what resulted, i.e. as a convenience, which results in more enjoyment in the building by taking the proecss down fomr 20 hours to less than 10. As aresult, all modelers benefit because we do the tough stuff, which might require tools many customers wouldn't have, i.e. pressing the bearings onto the pinion shaft, and the bearings into the clutch bell so they are perfectly square since few folks have a small press. Similarly, we epoxy in the clutch liner as a convenience, assemble the head and seesaw and washout arms because they have many small parts, which must be in the proper order and rarely require disassembly. yet the head must be disassembled by the cutomer to learn how to grease it because this will be something they do pretty often since spindle shafts are sacrificial parts and they need to see how it was assembled in the first place.

Anyway, along the way we discovered the manufacturing costs between the semi-ARF and the full-on, or pure, kit was miniscule because it was about the same cost for us to sort, bag, and tag parts vs. our employees preassembling the asme parts. So we elected to go in the semi-ARF direction because it offers the best of both worlds and thus, both the Tiger MkII and the Pantera are offered as a semi-ARF only. Thecost savings fomr offering a ARF is passed along to you as well, which is why I can run these specials occassionally.

Dan, I suggest you read the first few pages of the Pantera manual where I explain and show the principal of the semi-ARF (with pictures showing what's been preassembed for you as well as what needs to be disassembled to be greased before use).

Not only is building your own model fun, but it assures you the knowledge you can tackle any repair no matter how badly you stuff it into terra firma. Believe me in this if nothing else. I like to sell helis, but I actually love to graduate you further into the sport as a complete modeler who has experienced success with our products.

Finally, one last point. There are some of our dealers who specialize in total customer service. I.e. as a service, they will assemble, test fly, and even make repairs for customers! Naturally, dealers offering this level of service are few and far between; cherish them when you find them!

Regards,


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
04-30-2008 08:23 PM
 
 
MaxAdventure
Heliman
Location: Boulder, Colorado

My kid just turned two. He takes a LOT of my time, so I have small windows I pursue my hobbies/chores in. It did take some time to put my Pantera together, but John has a very good point. I appreciated what was pre-built, and enjoyed fussing about with the rest. It was a really nice compromise for me. A lot of the reason I'm so focused on heli's now instead of planes is because the mechanical satisfaction of the build and maintenance in addition to the outright flying. Bottom line, the Pantera is a low-count easy build due to the thought that went into it. Don't let your lack of free time stop you on this one. It's still a good choice. I can attest to that!
04-30-2008 10:21 PM
 
 
enahs
Veteran
Location: Valparaiso, IN (college); Sturgis, MI (home)

I agree with John. Enough parts of the heli come pre-assembled that build time should be no longer than any other heli on the market. It really is a simple machine to work on and part of the enjoyment of this hobby is the building. An hour or so a night and you should have it good to go in a week or two. Good luck with whatever you choose to do! All of us Audacity pilots, and John, are here to answer any questions you may have.

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Shane Eagan
04-30-2008 11:26 PM
 
 
The Dude II
Senior Heliman
Location: Martinsville, IN - USA

Try this...goto bed shortly after the kid(s)...then get up at 4AM and work for an hour or two before heading out to "work for the bank".

I'm fresh... the house is quiet...and 60-120 minutes uninterrupted...wow...you can get something done!

Now...why am I on RR instead of gluing in those hinges on that new 1/4-scale???

it really tied the room together
05-01-2008 10:19 AM
 
 
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