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Radio - Spektrum DSM > Full size Electric Heli with AR6100 ??
 
 
norsman
Senior Heliman
Location: paradise PA

I'm flying my logo 10 with a AR6100,will it be OK no problems so far but a few times it seems to lock out and my motor shuts down.I don't know if it's my ESC or the RX??I don't no how to check what one is the problem.I'ts happened at low hover thank god...Anyone???
04-30-2008 02:12 AM
 
 
Rob Hair
Heliman
Location: Waterford, MI

I would not use a 6100 in a Logo 10. I'd use a 6200 or 7000 to get the added spatial diversity.
04-30-2008 03:01 AM
 
 
Zaneman007
Key Veteran
Location: Texas - USA

Isn't the AR6100 for park flyers?

I wouldn't use that on a full size heli.

I'd rather be flying
04-30-2008 05:16 AM
 
 
bluewave1016
Heliman
Location: SunnyPlace, OC

would the AR6200 ok on big heli?
04-30-2008 05:21 AM
 
 
R/C Speed Nut
Senior Heliman
Location: Galesburg, Michigan USA

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would the AR6200 ok on big heli?
As long as you use the remote receiver with it.


Mike

Funky Chicken?!!..........I thought this was how you do a piro flip!!
04-30-2008 05:23 AM
 
 
norsman
Senior Heliman
Location: paradise PA

The AR6100 is a micro RX it is a FULL range RX.My question is don't all RX work on the same voltige,I have a bec on the logo why would the 6100 be locking out???
04-30-2008 12:59 PM
 
 
nappyroots2182
Key Veteran
Location: Moline, il

if it was just your motor and not your servos shutting down that should be your esc shutting the motor off for some reason. im flying a 6100 in my rex 500 now and doing good. but i will be upgrading for safety soon to probaly 6200 or 7000

DX7, Trex 600N, YS50, JR770 gyro, trex 500
04-30-2008 01:00 PM
 
 
Rob Hair
Heliman
Location: Waterford, MI

If you get the receiver updated to the latest revision by Horizon (if its not already) you can use the blinking LED to help trouble shoot your problem.

With a heli as large and potentially dangerous as a Logo 10 (or Trex 500, for that matter) you should have one of the receivers that uses a main and remote, like the AR6200 or AR7000.
04-30-2008 01:13 PM
 
 
norsman
Senior Heliman
Location: paradise PA

But thats what I'm asking why?? reception loss is not a issue the 6100 is full range so what safty issues are you talking about?? and my 6100 is new and has the led which blinks on set up and binding I don't know if it blinks when on range checking I'm on the radio end.But how is a 7000 or 6200 safer then the 6100???
04-30-2008 01:41 PM
 
 
BarracudaHockey
rrMaster
Location: Orange Park FL

It's "full range" but its also susceptable to signal shadowing by carbon frames, the motor can, etc.

All the 2.4 ghz recivers have the same range, the remote recievers take away the posibility of a single reciever loosing link.


AMA 77227
http://www.jaxrc.com
04-30-2008 02:45 PM
 
 
norsman
Senior Heliman
Location: paradise PA

Ok I buy that but,why would the single RX be loseing the link.Ihave mounted it all the way in the back away from the motor and esc.And the two times this has happened it was in a hover in front of me.I set it down and it started leaning right,I tryed to correct it and no power to the servos and it went over,blades ,flybar ,links...
04-30-2008 02:56 PM
 
 
Rob Hair
Heliman
Location: Waterford, MI

The latest version of the Spectrum receivers have "quick re-connect" and they blink the LED if receiver power is lost and regained.

The quick re-connect re-establishes the link between TX and REC much faster than previously if power is lost or dips below what the receiver needs and is then restored. In my tests this took only 75 msec.

The blinking LED is of great help in diagnosing receiver power supply issues, since it will blink if power was lost and re-gained. If you had this feature you could tell if your BEC was inadequate, etc. because the LED would be blinking after one of your incidents. This has nothing to do with the blinking when binding.

From your latest description, it does sound like you lost power to the receiver, since you had no control of the servos.

As mentioned by others, the advantage of the AR6200 and AR7000 is not greater range, but rather a more reliable RF link. This becomes more important with models that have more electrically conductive parts (metal, carbon fiber) and is especially important with a model that could kill or injure someone. It can take the AR6100 5 to 15 seconds to regain its RF link to the TX if the signal (not receiver power) is lost for approx, a second.
04-30-2008 03:55 PM
 
 
R/C Speed Nut
Senior Heliman
Location: Galesburg, Michigan USA

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Ok I buy that but, why would the single RX be losing the link?
Signal shadowing includes reflected signals that arrive half wave out of phase and therefore zeroing out the signal altogether. That is why the dual receivers are recommended.


Mike

Funky Chicken?!!..........I thought this was how you do a piro flip!!
04-30-2008 05:58 PM
 
 
Rob Hair
Heliman
Location: Waterford, MI

Norsman, I want to be sure that I didn't confuse the issue. There are two things that may have happened relative to your AR6100. You may have lost power to the receiver (inadequate BEC, loose electrical connections, etc.) or you may have had a loss of the RF link between TX and REC (due to shadowing, defect in TX or REC, etc.) The more likely is that you lost power to the receiver, but it could be a signal loss. This is where the blinking LED is helpful.
04-30-2008 06:26 PM
 
 
jimboflies
Key Veteran
Location: beaumont texas

I thought the 6100 was for foamies and small aircraft , parkflyers , and NOT a full range RX..
I would not trust it on anything more than a foamy plane... I tried using one on my 3DX450 heli and had too many lock-outs so I switched to the AR7000 and have NOT had one problem in over a year and a half.
I would think that with a full size heli you MUST have an RX with the Remote Receiver ....

Quick of Japan RULES
EP8v2 EX x 2

Trex450v2
04-30-2008 06:57 PM
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norsman
Senior Heliman
Location: paradise PA

Well Rob because this happened so close to me I don't think I lost reception,I just bought the logo and it came with a 3amp bec with all digital servo's I wonder if it's enough.I just started a thread on the logo sit to see what there useing.And Jim the AR 6300 is the park flyer Rx for foamies the AR6100 IS a full range RX I've used in both trex's never with a problem and have flown them out off sight a few times and they all have the same voltage range.Again this problem happened right in front off me not 200 hundred in the air.I wish I would have none to look at the RX for blinking before I unpluged the battery but I leaning to the bec maybe...
04-30-2008 09:02 PM
 
 
norsman
Senior Heliman
Location: paradise PA

Is any body having a problem useing BEC's with spektrum RX's I just read on casthttp://www.castlecreations.com/products/cc_bec.html
le creation about a problem and how to fix it
04-30-2008 11:41 PM
 
 
R/C Speed Nut
Senior Heliman
Location: Galesburg, Michigan USA

norsman,
Signal shadowing can get you at any distance, and the signal can reflect off of almost anything that is solid or conductive and you lose signal entirely if the reflected signal arrives at the right time.


Mike

Funky Chicken?!!..........I thought this was how you do a piro flip!!
05-01-2008 05:35 AM
 
 
BarracudaHockey
rrMaster
Location: Orange Park FL

The castle creation, and other bec problems along the same lines, will manifest itself pretty obviously. It will put the reciever into bind mode every time you power up.

You can debate this till the next blue moon, or you can buy a decent receiver and my guess is its going to fix your problem.


AMA 77227
http://www.jaxrc.com
05-01-2008 03:22 PM
 
 
village_idiot
Senior Heliman
Location: Land of confusion

Short answer... No I would not use an AR6100 in a heli that large, you should have ample room and weight capacity for the larger receivers.

Last time I read the specs. the AR6100 is not a full range receiver

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Product...odID=SPMAR6100E

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At only 4.4 grams and 19.0mm x 30.0mm x 9.0mm (WxLxH), the AR6100E is the ultimate 2.4GHz receiver for most any small electric model from mini profile foamies to 400 class helis. Because it uses advanced DSM2™ technology, it is only compatible with DSM2 aircraft radio and module systems. It also boasts a wide input range that allows it to operate with 3.5- to 9-volt electrical systems.

Specs
Type: MicroLite Parkflyer Rx
# of Channels:6
Modulation: DSM2
Band: 2.4GHz
Dimensions (WxLxH): 19 x 40 x 9mm
Weight: 4.4g
Voltage Range: 3.5V-9.6V
Antenna Length: 30mm (2)




Seems to be pretty clear that they do not suggest using it in a heli that large. I even question whether I should use it or an AR6200 in my Shogun (400 class) heli, leaning towards the AR6200 because I have one.
05-01-2008 06:49 PM
 
 
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