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Century Hawk - Falcon - Raven - Predator > hawk autoroataion bearing ???
 
 
motorhead540
Heliman
Location: portland,oregon - USA

good evening i have a century hawk that i have hovered many times as i am still just learning this heli thing a guy that also flies helis at my club came up to me the other day and said my autorotation bearing is not installed correctly as you turn the rotor head thru in normal direction of roataion the tail does not turn when you turn the main rotor backwards the tail turns he says the bearing is backward how do i know for sure what is correct he says the way it is that the tail will not be driven in an auto or if the engine were to quit i would have no tail control thanks for your help or advice
04-29-2008 06:11 AM
 
 
Breitenstein
Senior Heliman
Location: Denmark (Scandinavia)

The autorotation bearing on your Hawk is installed correctly as it is!!!

The Hawk has NOT got a driven tail during autorotations, and you don't have any tail control during autorotations, with the hawk you have to use the weathervane effect to control the tail.

Breitenstein
Proud member of THE DARK SIDE!
04-29-2008 08:49 AM
 
 
Percula
Heliman
Location: South UK

Unless of course you fit the upgrade bearing then your tail will turn eather way when you turn the main blades as its "Locked" in to the main blades

As it is its fine, tell that guy hes talking $hit
04-29-2008 10:38 AM
 
 
Ray Fernandez
Key Veteran
Location: Guam (U.S.A.)

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As it is its fine, tell that guy hes talking $hit.

Maybe his friend is not familar with the Hawk system. This would be a good opportunity to aquaint his friend to the Century product.

Ray Fernandez - GUAM
04-29-2008 12:42 PM
 
 
Dave M
Senior Heliman
Location: Mi.

It correct..you do not have a driven tail...so turning the blades by hand in normal rotation is autorotation....

It's OK....It's not your fault !!!
04-29-2008 01:40 PM
 
 
Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

You need this to make it a drivin tail CONSTANT TAIL DRIVE SYSTEM (30-50 size)
Part# CN2263A

A worth while investment in my opinion. So you can stop worrying about what the uninformed person is saying.
04-29-2008 02:39 PM
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Just a caution here, as I find many newbies do not understand the difference between the two systems.

The STANDARD auto-rotation system that is on the Hawk, is the same system we have used since I started flying helis in 1985. With this system you can easily auto, as long as you keep flying forward. In an auto there is no engine torque to compensate for (as the engine is disengaged) so the vertical tail fin will make the heli weather-vane in the direction of flight. We have been doing autos with this system that consist of 180 degree and 360 degree turns for many, many years.

As this system does not have to drive the tail rotor, it does not take as much kinetic energy from the rotor, leaving more for the landing. If one does want a bit of steering (e.g. to help keep the nose from yawing a bit at the bottom, when there is no forward speed) then all one can do is up the throttle a bit in throttle hold. Use just enough to engage the clutch so that it causes the tail rotor to turn slowly, but not enough to cause the one-way auto-bearing to turn the maingear faster then the speed of the mainrotor. As long as the motor is turning the maingear at a slower speed then the rotor energy is turning the rotor, the one-way auto bearing will not try to turn the rotor, so you will still be auto-rotating.

For a person, learning to autorotate, this IMHO, is a better system then the Constant Tail Drive system.

What the CTD system allows one to do, once he is adequately proficient at autos, is to fly his autos backwards, to do pirouettes on his way down and to go inverted etc during the auto. But all of these auto maneuvers that require the tail to be driven, will take energy from the main rotor. So one will have to be proficient enough to have learned how to rebuild any rotor speeds lost through different parts of these maneuvers.

Also, CTD driven systems are much less forgiving of a hard auto landing, as the tail rotor is being driven at a high speed (4.5 to 5 times that of the main rotor)if the tail rotor touches the ground during the hard landing, the energy has to be dissipated. This energy will be dissipated by stripping gears, stretching belts or damaging other components in the tail drive train.

In conclusion, unless you want to move up into doing aerobatic, 3D type of autos, you are better with the standard system. As the Hawk was designed to be an entry level heli, I think it is best that it uses the standard system.
04-29-2008 05:25 PM
 
 
motorhead540
Heliman
Location: portland,oregon - USA

thanks guys for the good info i just wanted to be sure so the next guy that says that i can be sure of what i am talking about and as i am still fairly inexperienced with helis i will make every effort to avoid having to make any autos except on the sim till i feel comfortable with fff and nose in hover first thanks merril"motorhead"
04-30-2008 03:40 AM
 
 
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