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Kyosho Caliber 30 & 60 - Concept - Nexus > Caliber 450 V Set Up
 
 
BrentC
Senior Heliman
Location: Utah, USA

I am finally getting around to building my 450V. I have some parts which were originally intended for a Trex 450 which I would like to use on the 450V. This includes the following:
Align 430L 3500KV motor
Align 35A ESC W/GOV Mode
Align RCE-500x Gyro
JR mini Servo Pack/ 3- DS 285's & 1- DS3400G servos
Do you think these will work ok, or should I look into something else?
I'm espicially wondering about the Align Gyro which is kind of basic.
Also which pinion should I get,a 34?
Thanks for your thoughts,
BrentC

That can't be good!
04-29-2008 03:59 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

People have been using the Hacker A20-6XL motor with a 37-tooth pinion and saying the heli flies great. The Hacker is a 2500KV motor. A quick calculation says the 2500KV Hacker on an 11.1 volt LiPo and a 37-tooth pinion will turn about 2300 RPM.

Your 3500KV 430L would probably be happy using a 28 or 29-tooth pinion, giving a head speed in the neighborhood of 2500 - 2600 RPM. The 34-tooth would bump you up in the neighborhood of 3000 RPM.

Make sure you use some healthy LiPos in the 20C or greater continuous discharge range...

The Align ESC ought to be OK, I'd put a GY401 at least on the tail for the gyro.

The DS285s should be OK, they're a bit slow at 0.18 seconds (4.8V), however. People have used Futaba S3154s with good results, they're a bit more torque-y (21 oz-in vs 17 for the 285s at 4.8V), and nearly twice as fast -- 0.10 seconds vs 0.18.

Pinions -- 64 pitch pinions work fine. Robinson Racing or HPI both make 64 pitch pinions with 1/8th inch bores that will fit the 430L like a glove. Tower Hobbies has them, as should any decent hobby shop that sells a lot of electric cars.

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* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
04-29-2008 04:46 AM
 
 
BrentC
Senior Heliman
Location: Utah, USA

Thanks again Dave, I appreciate your help and suggestions. I'm new to electrics. I plan on using 325mm Radix blades, will the 28/29 tooth pinion work well with that setup?
Brent

That can't be good!
04-29-2008 03:55 PM
 
 
TankPanZeR
New Heliman
Location: downey CA

Brent, you can use a kyosho pinion as well, part # W6037.

Also, may I suggest using a Team Orion Avionics 2100. It is a 30c battery pack. http://www.amainhobbies.com/product...oducts_id/23817
04-30-2008 05:06 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

That should be a good starting point. The nice thing about the pinions is they are cheap and relatively easy to swap out as you get more into things.


As an aside, my wife bought me a B&B Products DPR-50 (digital power recorder) a couple of years ago for Christmas. It goes between the battery pack and ESC, and records current and voltage (downloaded to a PC later for analysis) during flight. It is a handy device for checking your power system and its performance as you select pinions and such. It is small, weighs a few ounces, and is a neat little tool.

The 50-amp version is no longer sold, it's been replaced with units capable of 100 or more amps.

Plots look like this (this was recorded while hovering my Kyosho EP400 a couple of years ago):



http://www.bnbproducts.com/

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As for pinions, the cool thing about Robinson Racing or HPI -- is that there are pinions available from something like 16 teeth up to 44, in one-tooth increments. Makes fine-tuning quick and easy. Kyosho only has a limited number of different pinions available.

There is a point where if you get too large a pinion (too many teeth/too low a motor KV) that the pinion will no longer fit in the heli, so there is a physical limit to how large a pinion you can use.

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* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
04-30-2008 05:20 AM
 
 
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