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Beginners Corner > What is up with the Blade 400?
 
 
TJinGuy
Key Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

Ok so it is Sunday evening and apparently I am looking to pick a fight but here I go ...

Why do folks think the Blade 400 is the best deal out there? Is it simply because it is the only decent heli available at their LHS? Is it because they have no concept of what a heli can be or what they need to fly one? Are they simply being brainwashed by the LHS guys? What makes the B400 as good as a Mini or Rex? Oh you say it isn't as good but it's cheaper ... well you are misinformed my friend!

These are some of the questions I keep asking myself as I see post after post pushing this cheap Chinese heli made by a company that only makes 3 helis and one is a coax! People telling the newbies that THIS heli is the best place to start, that it is awesome out of the box or that “it needs no upgrades”, just irritates the crap out of me. Now please don't read this and think I am stating the B400 is a bad heli, I am just trying to set the record straight and maybe offset some of the "This is the best heli ever" talk. So here is how I see things ... take it as you will.

The LHS: The Blade 400 is made in China just like almost every other heli out there. Just because a LHS marks it up before you buy it doesn't make it any different. It is an all plastic, comes in only one configuration and that config costs $500. Sure you can find one for less but most guys will go to their LHS and plop down the full amount. And hey I love my plastic helis, I am just pointing out this fact.

What's in the box: Since it only comes in one configuration, you get zero choices. You get to pay for every component if you want it or not, and lets talk about the components. You get a decent radio, a lame charger, a single battery that is too small, a basic gyro, 4 ultra basic servos and a good motor/esc. Sounds to me like you might be doing upgrades there pal ... or at least buying some more stuff so you can fly more than one time every 2 hours. Looks like you are going to need some more cash.

You say RTF, huh: Yup you can go buy one of these, take it out of the box, charge the battery and start flying. Well I am sure it happens like that every time ... or maybe it doesn't and you crash it. Or maybe it is kinda setup but not perfect. Setting up a heli is a complex thing and requires a lot of knowledge. People who think they can skip this important part of learning to fly are in for a rude awakening cause setup is everything.

So let me do some numbers right quick. Lets say you can buy a B400 at your LHS for $500 ($469+tax). Then you decide you want 2 more battery packs and you swing back by the LHS to pick up a pair of E-Flite 2100 packs at $75 each. Oh but wait, everybody it upgrading to DSP75 servos and that is gonna set you back another $100. Now you are at about $750. So lets see what we can do in a Rex450 w/3 batteries. Sure we will have to wait for the mail to come but that is part of this deal. (prices from HeliDirect and FMA direct)

$240 Align 450S kit w/motor+esc
$95 (3) Hitec HS65 + (1) HS81 servos
$180 Spektrum DX6i with RX
$105 Logictec T2100 gyro
$235 CellPro 4s + (3) 2100mAh packs
$25 shipping

If I add up these numbers I get $870. So now you have to ask yourself ... why would I save $100 to buy a inferior heli. Well maybe that is too much but if I picked up a lame gyro and charger, it would be right at about $650. On top of that you get to build this heli from the ground up and that means that you will have a very good understanding of how to work on the heli and set it up. Oh and just as many LHS carry Align parts as carry E-Flite parts.

Now this is not an Align ad. The same applies to building the same heli on a Mini Titan chassis. Or choose a CopterX and get a full metal head for like $50 less. Or choose an Esky Belt-CP with the the stock HH gyro for a lot less.

Anyhow folks that is what has been on my mind lately. Take it as you will and remember this ... flying a heli is about the journey, not the equipment!

- Chris

Variety+spice+life=King2+MiniT+Rex450
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04-28-2008 03:59 AM
 
 
tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

never forget the classifieds.

Council Member #69A3 If your not having a blast your doing it WRONG!
04-28-2008 04:16 AM
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OK HELI
Senior Heliman
Location: Enid,OK-USA

I agree with you totally. I'm glad someone said it.
I have a friend that got a Blade cp and thought it would be inexpensive, well after 3 mo. and $1000 later he can hover and very little FF and the heli is sitting in pieces on his dresser. Now he keeps telling me he should have bought a 450.
They'll never learn.

Raptor 50 Titan with DX7, GY401, and TT Redline 53 is Awsome!
04-28-2008 04:49 AM
 
 
shizack
Veteran
Location: Augusta, GA USA

Hey - the best thing about the Blade 400 is that now the LHS has some parts that will fit the HBK.

And cheap DX6i's in the classifieds...

Tryan stopped whining so I've gotta come up with something new...
04-28-2008 04:56 AM
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zaw
Senior Heliman
Location: Lebanon, NH - USA

I used to have Blade CP, now I fly Honey Bee King 2, I think HBK2 is the most bang for the buck heli in it class out there.

BCP+CP2 mix Separates BL, DD-tail, HH //\\ HBK2 JGF 400 11T //\\ Friend's B400
04-28-2008 06:15 AM
 
 
30636086
Senior Heliman
Location: Tacoma, WA

What is up with the Blade 400?

After reading your post I agree with you, it makes sense, With the $ I spent on the Walkera, spare parts and upgrades I could end up with a better one. But It has been a good learning heli (it has taken a beating while I learn:rolleyes Cant complain after a crash, about $20-30 put her back up!)

Do you think I should put the $ on what I really want? An trex500(600maybe)kit and start getting the components or take it easy and go slow with an RTF like the Blade 400. (I want to stay electric; for now) I dont want to get ahead of my self; because Im relatively new at these, I want something beter but I dont want to spend $2000 plus and just destroy it at once on a crash! You know what I mean?



sorry if you get the message a few times my computer is accting weird!

1- take apart 2-repair damage 3-check everything 4-go fly and crash 5- repeat #1
04-28-2008 09:34 AM
 
 
30636086
Senior Heliman
Location: Tacoma, WA

What is up with the Blade 400?

I'm one of those guys! I was gonna get other helis like the Falcon 3D, then the Exceed Raptor G2, but I was told that the Blade 400 is a better heli than those. I was gonna pick one tomorrow(Monday), I'm new at these and I want a bigger better Helli but not sure which way I should go. Should I "go for the gold" (trex500)kit?
But in the other hand I think that for now I should stay with a RTF like the Blade and get some crashes out of the way on something that is cheaper to repair???? and since I'm new at these I think it be a headache for me setting a kit one Does the LHS set them for you? and how much they charge? What you guys think?

1- take apart 2-repair damage 3-check everything 4-go fly and crash 5- repeat #1
04-28-2008 09:46 AM
 
 
macsgrafs
Senior Heliman
Location: Barnstaple, Devon, UK

I bought the blade 400 for the exact same reasons, fly out of the box. Then I realised I had been conned, it's totally unstable, useless gyro & crap servos. All I have left is the chassis, I stripped it down after my 2nd crash & bought a mini titan. The MT is far more stable & I am now flying a trex600E as well. I wish I had bought right first time.

Ross

Seems to me that ALL heli's beat the air into submission
04-28-2008 10:07 AM
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Mike0251
Senior Heliman
Location: Hills of the Blue Ridge VA

POS..don't waste your money.
04-28-2008 11:58 AM
 
 
JRjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Portage, IN

Is the Blade 400 a real bad heli??? No.

Is it a great Heli? No.

Does it get people going for cheap. Kinda.


Is the rex on mini better?? Yes.



People want instant gratification. There is a market for that when the price is right.That's what E-flite is all about.


Is it the best way to get into flying heli's?? NO!!!!

Some of us have been and are totally into this, others are not.


..........Joe
Mind what you have learned.Save you it can...
JR Helis Rule!!!
04-28-2008 12:11 PM
 
 
Jujiro
Senior Heliman
Location: Jennings, Louisiana- USA

yea i was wondering the same thing since Helihobby has a combo kit with everything needed for around 500 dollars. I guess the blade 400 might just be more known by the LHS's than Rex or mini , or at least at mine. They almost forgot they had T-rex 450 parts on the shelf last tie I went @_@.
04-28-2008 01:49 PM
 
 
TJinGuy
Key Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

tailspin90: Dude that sums it all up in less than 100 words, nice!

- Chris

Variety+spice+life=King2+MiniT+Rex450
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04-28-2008 01:52 PM
 
 
OK HELI
Senior Heliman
Location: Enid,OK-USA

I think a big misunderstanding about the 450's is the crash cost.
I keep reading about people buying the blade 400 to get some crashes out of the way without breaking the bank, they don't realize how inexpensive it really is to crash a 450.
my buddy has one(trex 450) and the last 6 crashes where all less than $40. his first two were less than $20. so a person is still better off with a better setup like the mini titan or trex.
even my raptor titan (not counting blades) has cost around 30-50 to fix except the last time I cracked frames and all and it was $70 but that really isn't that bad considering I was looking at a pile of rubble.
anyway the crash cost of a 450 is comparable to the blade 400.

Raptor 50 Titan with DX7, GY401, and TT Redline 53 is Awsome!
04-28-2008 02:06 PM
 
 
HeliSmith
Senior Heliman
Location: Canyon Country, CA

I totally agree I went down 2 wrong paths before going with a DX7 and a Trex 450 SE V2. HeliHobby does do packages and if you call them or even email Nikki to call you back she will hook you up with a smashing deal on a combo for a Trex but you have to call. We can build it for you too but I don't recommend that with the Finless videos you should build your own.

Now if your heart is set on the Blade 400 I seen a guy mow the lawn with one so they fly ok. They definitely are a worthy heli and a nice starter not as bad as the one I started out with I will keep to myself for shame factor.

I have smashed my 450 SE V2 into the ground 25+ times and never replaced a piece of cnc. 2 weeks ago I had a lockout due to poor electronic choices and finally busted my cnc servo mount on my 450 SE V2 so I guess I can't really say that I haven't busted "any" cnc now. lol Running woodies typical crash cost is less than 20 bucks. I am an experienced pilot though and usually hit thold at 3' still trying to save after I hit thold.

*** Team HeliHobby.com ***
04-28-2008 02:37 PM
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speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

I think you guys may be missing one key point. Many people lack the required mechanical aptitude to get things set up right the first time. Not everyone has previous experience or a mentor. Having a "jump off point" where things are already pretty close to flyable means alot to these people.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk
04-28-2008 06:17 PM
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OK HELI
Senior Heliman
Location: Enid,OK-USA

if they are not mechanically inclined then this is the wrong hobby. they will crash sooner or later and then have to figure it out anyway, so why not get one that you have to put together and have the joy of seeing something you built fly. then you have a good ground to stand on to be able to rebuild after a crash.

Raptor 50 Titan with DX7, GY401, and TT Redline 53 is Awsome!
04-28-2008 07:15 PM
 
 
speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

I agree, mechanical aptitude is required. I'm just saying that sometimes it's easier to start pre built than start from scratch. I would imagine there would be a lot less people driving if thier first car came in a crate and they couldn't drive it until they put it together. Could you imagine the accidents! Steering wheels falling off and brakes not working and such. Like I said, it's just a jump off point. They're going to have to figure it all out sooner or later. Just not all at once. For example, I still don't fully understand my expo and swash mix. Thanks to eflite I don't have to.....yet. I have a starting point and I tweaked the expo from there. As for the swash mix........I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. In the meantime I'm in the air.

You've got me on pride of building though. You just can't buy that type of satisfaction.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk
04-28-2008 07:47 PM
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TJinGuy
Key Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

Well thanks for the support guys but we seem to be straying slightly from the intended subject of this post. Yes the Rex450 is a nice heli but again there are many "nice" helis out there and the Blade400 is no exception. Every heli has its own ups and downs. The Mini has tiny ball links, the Rex450 is a pain to work on, the Blade400 is expensive for what you get, the Belt-CP is a little too cheap. Hell if I had it my way I would own one of each

Anyhow what I am trying to do here is inform two groups of people that there are such a thing as a good heli for beginners that doesn't come in a RTF box. And as a side note, that heli is NOT the Blade CX2. Yeah it is a fun toy but they will only take you a tiny way towards hovering a cp heli. I say spend that $200 on a sim instead! Ok back on track ... The first group is the beginner that is asking "What heli is best to start with" and the second group is all you guys who immediately blurt out "Buy a Blade400, it is the best beginner heli and comes with an awesome radio!".

So to all you newbies out there, you need to make up own mind and figure things out for yourself. Sure you can get help but people have a really hard time giving out good level headed advise. So get second, third and even forth opinions from different sources before you take the leap.

And to all you guys out there making suggestions. Just because you own one or your friend owns one doesn't make the greatest thing since sliced bread. The RTF kits are not the best. They may seem like a great deal for you to push but they are only RTF until a crash. Then they are like any other kit. And the stock stuff like servos, gyro, charger and batteries are never as good as what you can buy separate for basically the same money. So if you want to chime in and give some advice, make sure you have the best interests of the new pilot in mind.

Oh and 2 more notes ... First is that HeliHobby does have some decent packages but you still run into the whole "stuck with one configuration" thing. But maybe calling them will allow you to customize it and is so, that is a great place to start. And secondly, I bought a RTF kit and let me tell you when I first looked at it all, I was so confused about how it all worked that I was afraid to mess with it. Then I swapped out servos and had to setup the head for the first time. Man was I lost. That is where a friend here helped me and I am a better pilot because of it. So I now take the stance that there is no better way to start than with a kit.

- Chris

Variety+spice+life=King2+MiniT+Rex450
TAKE OFF AND LANDING CHAMPION SUPREME
04-28-2008 08:22 PM
 
 
StevenT
Senior Heliman
Location: Dallas, GA USA

speeddemon370,

The swash mix seems to raise and lower the swash to help set your pitch, so you don't have to adjust the control links. Just level the swash and then use the swash mix menu. I just started using the menu; so don't take my word as gospel.


Steven

Shhh, don't tell the wife.
04-28-2008 08:24 PM
 
 
Skarn
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

You know, on another forum, there was a guy saying that the B400 is actually BETTER than the TREX 450. He said it was smoother, more stable and less twitchy. He said he owns both and was either going to or did sell his TREX because he liked the B400 so much.

LOL! I had NEVER heard anyone say that before!

I guess there will always be someone out there that prefers one thing over another....doesn't make it right or wrong.

Reminds me of the good old "Chevy vs. Ford" thing

Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...
04-28-2008 09:01 PM
 
 
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