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Flybarless Rotor Head Systems > Tail drift with v-bar
 
 
Eyefly
Senior Heliman
Location: Charlotte, NC

Here is a real question for the local V-bar gurus:

I am getting more brave with the vbar and decided to flip the bird over yesterday. In right side up hover, it is solid and there is no drift on the tail. When I flip the heli over and hover inverted, the heli rotates slowly counter-clockwise. I cant for the life of me figure out why this is. Any one here have any insight as to why this is happening?
04-25-2008 12:28 PM
 
 
Jag72
Key Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

Recalibration?

I think I read in the Manual somewhere that you can fix that issue by doing a recalibration...it's in the "help" section on the vbar application...it talks about flipping the heli inverted and doing the recalibration...supposed to fix the drift if you have it..

Roxxters ROCK!!!
04-25-2008 03:04 PM
 
 
Jag72
Key Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

Here you go..

Sensor calibration

Preface
The Sensor of VStabi contains three independant Gyro Sensorelements that are mounted in an 90 deg. angle to each other. Even if they are mounted very precisely, there may be a small diversion from sensor to sensor.
On the ohter hand it is not always possible to mount the Sensors exact level and adjusted along the axis of the helicopter.
Fortunately the VStabi control unit has access to all Sensors simutanelsy, so there is the possibility to correct a slightly misalignment with the Outputs of the other elements. The most effect can be seen on the both cyclic axis, if the Helicopter is performing piruettes. In this case,  the tail element produces an high signal, and the both cyclic axis shall produce no signal. If the Sensor is mounted slightly  out of level, there will be a signal on one or both cyclic sensors. This gives piruettes that are not absolutely level.
The Adjustment is done after mounting the Sensor, and doing the basic adjustments. Use the default Setup to do the calibration procedure, because the parameters may have an influence.

Calibration Procedure:
- Mount VStabi, and fix everything as intended for flight.
- Unmount the Rotorhead
- Fix the Heli inverted on the Rotorshaft, so that it can be turned freely.
- Connect the PC, Switch on VStabi and Transmitter. Dont  move sticks during calibration
- Save Parameterset to Disk
- Click Reset in the Flight parameter panel to set default parameter set
- Display the Sensor calibration Panel, Click Reset.
- Cyclic Calibration
First Deactivate the Tail Calibration. Click "Disable" at the Tail Field. Otherwise the Display will not be correct! Turn the Heli in both directions. Watch the red point.  The Red point moves along a Line, which may be longer or shorter, and may have any orientation. Since the direction of the movement  ist not deterministic, try to move the Sliders on the sides of the display so that the red point does not move if the heli is turned. This cann not be ensured perfect always , but try to find the optimum. The point shall not cross the green line, independently of the speed of the movement. There is a bit drifting, so the point is not necessary always in the middle. The Display is very sensitive, you can see this, if you accidentially move other axis of the heli as well.
- Tail Calibration
A Line displays the current orientation of the helicopter. Consider the ball end as the nose of the Helicopter.  Start with clicking "Start Val". Now yaw the heli at about 90degrees in about 1 second. Watch the red line if it moves at the same speed as you turn the heli.  The simplest way is to turn 90 degrees, and watch if the line has turned 90 degrees also. If it has been turned more than 90 degree, klick the "slower" button until it matches. If it has turned less than 90 degrees, use the faster button to make it turn faster. The Center Button is a conveinece function to put the red line to the north orientation.
The precision cannot archived completely exact, because there is a low speed limit. If the rotational speed on the yaw axis is below this speed, it does not get recognized, which is been intended.
Now the Sensor is calibrated in the actual mounting position.
- Load the old Parameter set . Do not select the Swashplate Parameters while loading, otherwise the settings will get lost.
- Select all Banks of the device intended to be used in this Heli and enter the Values from the Correction Fields so they are the same on all banks.
Test the Tail calibration in Flight with the following Mannouver:
Fly from seide to side with medium speed and reasonable height. Without other inputs start piruetting. If the heli starts to fly a curve in the direction you make the piruette, then the direction of your tail calibration may be wrong! It shall go on flying in the initial direction. In this case dont worry, that the Line is moving in the opposite direction. Unfortunately there are a lot of possibilities that change polarity, so it is hard to say which is right on a certain model. If the calibration is done correctly, the heli shall do piuettes without too much drifting even in windy conditions.

Roxxters ROCK!!!
04-25-2008 03:11 PM
 
 
Eyefly
Senior Heliman
Location: Charlotte, NC

Very cool.. Thanks bro. I will do this tonight... Much thanks.
04-25-2008 03:36 PM
 
 
Jag72
Key Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

Good Luck man...

I haven't had any tail drift issues so I haven't had to do this myself..I guess I'm lucky

Roxxters ROCK!!!
04-25-2008 04:09 PM
 
 
TOSH
Elite Veteran
Location: PETERBOROUGH UK

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Fix the Heli inverted on the Rotorshaft, so that it can be turned freely.

lf it`s any help we found an easy way to do this is clamp a 2X4 in a vice and drill a 10mm hole in it about an inch deep.

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04-25-2008 04:52 PM
 
 
Eyefly
Senior Heliman
Location: Charlotte, NC

OK done. What about this "Symmetry" under tail gyro settings. I have 15%. Should this be 0?
04-26-2008 04:18 AM
 
 
HugeOne
Key Veteran
Location: Quebec, Canada

Leave it as it is and check if the tail "bounce back" on either right or left sudden stop.

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04-26-2008 04:31 AM
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Another thing to check , the wire going from the sensor, is it secure so its not start moving when you flip it upside down?

(secure but not so it pulls the sensor nor to loose to it pulls the sensor when it moves)
04-26-2008 04:56 AM
 
 
GB123
Heliman
Location: Wa. usa

Is there a reason this setup needs to be done inverted. Chandler from Esprite models, just had me set it up in a upright position, just buy grabbing the heli by the head and rotating by hand. Seemed to work fine for me. I don't have any tail issues, but two of my friends have a great deal of trouble.
If you read the posts in the various forums, it seems the tail is a big issue. I guess I got lucky!
04-29-2008 03:43 PM
 
 
Eyefly
Senior Heliman
Location: Charlotte, NC

I set it up but I have not had a chance to try it out. I also have a feeling it has something to do with the symmetry adjustment. That is my next step.

Does anyone actually have any idea what the "Symmetry" adjustment is?
04-29-2008 04:57 PM
 
 
Heliplanet.de
Senior Heliman
Location: Aidlingen, near Stuttgart, Germany

With the symmetry adjustment you will be able to get the same stop behaviour on both sides.

Does it stop different?

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04-29-2008 09:12 PM
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Eyefly
Senior Heliman
Location: Charlotte, NC

It stops the same. All I have is a drift to one side when I flip it over and hover. On right side hover it is solid.
04-29-2008 09:20 PM
 
 
GB123
Heliman
Location: Wa. usa

Well, guess what, seems my buddy has the same problem as you. He has been having problems with the tail drifting and not holding well. So he took his 9254 out and replaced it with a new bls251. He did the sensor recalibration (upright, as I mentioned in my previous post)Personally I don't see a need to hang the heli upside down to do this calibration, unless I'm missing something here. So anyway, we went out to the field this morning and bingo, it drifts while inverted. A problem he didn't have before!!!
He plans on posting his problem on the vstabi forum. Hopefully he will get an answer there, but to tell ya the truth, there just seems to be very little in the way of fixes on these forums. Maybe there just isn't enough people flying these yet.
05-03-2008 08:56 PM
 
 
Eyefly
Senior Heliman
Location: Charlotte, NC

I installed the open carbon tail and guess what? The drift is gone! I dont think the tail box has something to do with it. It has to be the set-up?
05-05-2008 12:38 AM
 
 
GB123
Heliman
Location: Wa. usa

My buddy has the carbon box. He put it in when he built the kit. Its not doing him much good! I'm really surprised at the lack of response to this issue. I thought there would be a ton of people flying the Vbar by now that would have some kind of idea as to what the problem might be or what to adjust.
I intended to convert a couple of my other ships, but I'm not sure I want to risk having a problem that I may not be able to fix. Like I said, I feel pretty fortunate that I don't have any major issues like my friend. It's just to bad there isn't as much support for the Vbar as there is for the SK360.
05-05-2008 03:35 AM
 
 
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