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speeddemon370
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Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

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Thats good I am glad you dont. Maybe I should come up and run my tractor or quads all over your property without your permission.

Yeah cause that's the same thing. Haha

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If you are why do you need permission and seek out other places to fly? I call bs on your statement.

My property is part a 4th generation homestead 2hrs away from where I live. I no longer reside there or farm due to bad knees. It is currently being rented to a family member. I constantly seek out new places to fly. The change of scenery is nice.

I am sorry if I gave the impression that you can do whatever you want on other peoples property without permission. That was not my intention. I felt that helicopters or planes in the ditch or flying over a field beside an all but vacant country road would not be the end of the world. I also have never met a farmer who would have a problem with this and I come from and know many people in a farming community. I do not condone trespassing. I don't think US Airways does either. Maybe you should call them up and give them a piece of your mind. I know that's not the same thing. Neither is tractors and dirt bikes.

I don't always ask for permission. But commonsense prevails. If it seems like you could damage something or make someone angry then don't do it. If everyone used common sense while they were using your property it wouldn't be closed off right now would it?

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk

04-25-2008 04:24 PM

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speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

I will admit that I may be accustomed to a bit more slack in the property laws than you guys. Honestly, people around here don't get mad at that kind of thing. Sorry.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk

04-25-2008 04:28 PM

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Cowjock
Senior Heliman
Location: Collegeville, Pa.

wingman77

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did you get the punishment for the pot?

No, I reported it to the local police, they all know who I am so it was no big deal to me or the police. The police said the they would have to catch the guys in the act to be able to prosecute them. Property owner is not liable.

Damn that ground is hard!

04-25-2008 05:28 PM

coops2
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

chill out guys

myself about 5 years ago before I joined the local club decided to one day "go look for somewhere to fly" and you know spent half a day doing it finding nowhere, was not keen on farmers property because of the "cow ****e" and livestock also you cant land a heli in 6inch grass I did consider taking some plywood sheeds to provide a landing spot however thinking sensibly a mowed and looked after landing strip ie club is the best

04-25-2008 08:53 PM

trilerian
Senior Heliman
Location: Niles, MI USA

I find that the greens on a golf course make excellent landing zones. And if a golf ball is rolling by you can get it into your rotor wash and make it move. Just joking, no I don't fly on golf courses. However there is no clubs in my area that are open for flying when I can fly. The only one that I know of, is open every other Tuesday and I work Tuesday nights. So I fly in a parking lot across from my house when I do small stuff. I have never asked permission and the security guys have never said anything to me. I do however only have a rex 450. When I want an open area to fly I go to my rc track. It is on church property and I have about 100 square yards all to myself. But myself, I like it this way, I don't have to deal with anyone else flying by me and most importantly I don't have to get in anyone else's way.

04-25-2008 09:42 PM

vsnyder8
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Location: Ft Wayne, IN

Gets a bit heated here sometimes, huh guys.

I also fly small heli's, trex 450 and blade cp. I have a neighbor with some land just outside my housing edition, across the road is a golf course. My neighbor told me it was okay to fly on his land, there are no animals close by and no buildings close enough to hit, although I could do some damage to some trees by his fence line.

I flew there a few times and not wanting to wear out a welcome, tried not to go to often. Recently the guy stopped by my house and asked if I was going to be flying out there again soon, it seems some of his golfing buddies enjoyed the extra entertainment.

My point is some land owners do enjoy watching these things fly, and as long as normal precautions are taken and a person is considerate they have no problem with our intrusion.

With that said, I have often considered joining my local club, I would enjoy watching others fly, and sharing ideas etc. plus if I am going out to fly by myself I will not spend as much time there and I get bored when not in the air. The problem I have with a club is, I fly only heli's and most of my flying is relatively close, so I feel I would just be in the way of the planes when I fly.

I enjoy reading these posts, but it seems sometimes people look for others to say something that they can take apart and point out the erroneous statements. Good luck to you all, I think the wind is dying down outside so I may be leaving soon. lol

04-26-2008 12:39 AM

Cowjock
Senior Heliman
Location: Collegeville, Pa.

speeddemon370

Here in the states if you own property you have to take care of it yourself. I don't know how it is in Canada. Like Mutt said he gave ONE kid on a dirt bike permission ride on his ground, next thing he knew all the kids buddies were riding there with NO permission. Just last year one of the hunters which I allow on the property asked me if his 16 year old son could hunt. I didn't have a problem with it, but I did tell the father that his son had to ask me for permission. The kid ask and he got permission, I did tell him, like I tell all the guys that hunt my place, if he causes any kind of trouble for any of the other hunters or I, and I hear about it,HUNTING SEASON WILL BE CLOSED TO ALL. The kid was ok, but after the 1st week of bow season was over he asked if he could bring 2 of his friend to hunt with him. I thanked him for asking but I said no. One teen is enough without friends. Get a bunch of teens together and what happens, they screw around and somebody gets hurt or even DEAD. Didn't have any trouble with him at all. I don't tolerate any nonsense from hunters, this comes from having one of my bulls SHOT durning buck season, first day of the season about 15 years ago. Nobody fessed up to it so I closed all hunting for the next two years. Things have good ever since. I hated to do it because I have a tremendous amount of deer damage to my crops.

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Sorry

Thanks for your understanding.

Damn that ground is hard!

04-26-2008 02:19 AM

fiveoboy01
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Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

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I live 7 miles from two acceptable fields but drive 24 miles because my buds all fly there and its a great faclility.

No kidding... That's a beautiful facility!

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7

04-26-2008 02:40 AM

Sam2b
Key Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA - USA

When I fly with planks I try to stay higher and not do anything on the deck. Stuff on the deck tends to psych them out faster than anything.

_Sam B_

04-26-2008 03:23 AM

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Brunobl
Senior Heliman
Location: Pomerode, Santa Catarina - Brazil

I fly in a farm

I did also join a proper flying club, but there is a farm only 3km from my home. It takes me under 10 minutes between opening my garage door and being in the air with the gasser there.

Of course I asked for permission to fly there. To my surprise, the answer was, "sure, go ahead and have fun. And you are not alone, either, there are a bunch of other RC modelers already flying here".

And... another conflict mode for the thread: Planks vs. Gliders. Last weekend in this farm, a .60-sized airplane was destroyed when it collided with an electric glider. Interestingly, the glider entered a two-turn spin, flew again and landed uneventfully. The damage was restricted to a two-inch section of the wing leading edge. Go figure.

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Best regards,
Bruno.

04-26-2008 03:24 AM

Old Sloppy
Heliman
Location: Atlanta, Georgia USA

Tresspassing must include the "intent to do harm".

Actual harm does not have to occur.

So what is it called when there is no intent to do harm?

Harry

Trex 600e CF,Futaba 7CH 2.4 ghz, Air Thunder , X-Cell optical tachometer

04-26-2008 09:52 AM

Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

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Trespassing must include the "intent to do harm".

No sir not here maybe where you are at but here that is trespassing with intent to do willfull harm to private property. Trespassing is just that weather it be on foot on a bike quad car truck etc. If a person does not have express permission from said land owner and step foot on said property they are trespassing.

a violation of trespass laws are misdemeanors punishable by a fine up to $1000 and or imprisonment in jail for up to 6 months.

PC 602 (n) - Driving any vehicle or walking upon real property belonging to, or lawfully occupied by another, without the consent of the owner, agent, or the person in lawful possession.

04-26-2008 01:05 PM

Cowjock
Senior Heliman
Location: Collegeville, Pa.

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So what is it called when there is no intent to do harm?

It's still called trespassing!
I have a neighbor who takes his dog for a walk in one of my fields, he thinks there is nothing wrong with this, first off it is posted" no trespassing" right in plain view of his house .He has no permission to be there and he was told that. This is the same guy that took his 4wheeler in a just planted field of wheat a couple of years ago. This guy went postal when the police showed up when I was trying to explain to him that he was trespassing(my wife called the police). The police took it from there.

Whether there is intent to do harm or not it is still trespassing if you have no permission to be on the property.

Damn that ground is hard!

04-26-2008 02:19 PM

speeddemon370
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Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

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Here in the states if you own property you have to take care of it yourself

I must have missed somethng. What does that have to do with anything? I'm assuming that was directed at my "out of town" property. If it was.......You don't rent land in the states? Or at the very least do you go hop on your big riding mower and trim down your pasture in the middle of nowhere to "take care of it"?

You do realize you're talking about shooting and riding dirtbikes on a heli forum right? I think if you have to go that far off topic to make your point you may not have a good one. Like I said, ,my original statement wasn't meant to provoke a "someone trespassed on my land once and now I'm going to cry about it for all eternity and hold everyone else accountable". It was meant to be the "let's see what people have come up with for alternate venues of flying thier model rc aircraft rather than competeing for air superiority at the club field". Maybe you and mutt can start a "Trespassers are terrorists, flying a heli on my land is akin to killing livestock, ripping up my lawn and making my crops wither. Everyone but us has no idea about land laws" thread in the off topics.

Once again

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I do not condone trespassing. I don't think US Airways does either. Maybe you should call them up and give them a piece of your mind. I know that's not the same thing. Neither is tractors and dirt bikes.

Apples to oranges.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk

04-26-2008 02:57 PM

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vsnyder8
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Location: Ft Wayne, IN

I think the biggest thing here is common sense, which isn't always common. I grew up on a farm and we rarely had a problem with trespassers, if a neighbor wanted to hunt in our woods, he knew there were me and my brothers hunting in those woods and would normally ask first. But being a small community we knew everyone around us and they knew us. I knew which neighbors property I could go onto without a problem and which I should talk to or stay away from.

I guess things are different today, and have always been different depending on what your neighbors are like. We were lucky we had good neighbors.

Back to the subject at hand, I would never just stop somewhere and fly my heli on a farmers field, unless I personally knew that farmer or had a very valid reason to think it was okay. (can't think of a valid reason offhand)

First off, no one should climb a fence to get onto property, if fenced off, it is to keep something in or us out, or both and climbing a fence can easily do minor damage to a fence. I guess if I were out and found a large meadow, unfenced and no buildings, or critters close by, it would be a tempting place to fly, but even then I would have to use caution and not venture more than a few feet onto the property. I would have to even then put myself into the land owners position, would I be concerned about someone I didn't know doing what I want to do there. My answer would probably be don't do it without asking first. Sorry can't find a good scenario where it would be okay.

04-26-2008 03:00 PM

Mutt
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Location: t ca usa

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Maybe you and mutt can start a "I hate trespassers and everyone but us has no idea about land laws" thread in the off topics.

No maybe you need to get it out of your head that it is not YOUR right or anyone idiots right to trespass on others property. and yes riding bikes on private property is the same as parking on the side of the road and flying your crap and going onto my property to retrive it is trespassing its all the same. It is people like you that make land owners close off thier propertys.

04-26-2008 03:07 PM

speeddemon370
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Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

Yeah, the respectful, polite, considerate type of person. You know, the one who picks up after himself and even garbage left by other people. The one who watches out for his neighbors property when actual misdeeds are occuring. The type who will just go for a country drive to explore the scenery. The one who waves at the kids riding the ATV on thier way to grandma's and stops to have a beer with the "new" owner. The one who stops to pull you out of the ditch or give you a ride when I see the tracter stalled in the field a mile back. Yeah, I'm the worst type of person. Why? Because I stop and fly my heli on the side of the road. Holy crap, I am so going to hell. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. That's what's wrong with the world! If people would just stop flying thier heli's at the side of the road over/in an empty field with NO fence. Where you can't see a person for miles and miles. What a bunch of badasses those people are. The type which even a hint of occupation or a sign that said no tresspassing would cause you to pack up and drive away with a smile and a wave. They should all go to jail. It's a good thing that landowners like you have closed it off from people like me. Otherwise who knows what would happen? You might have even made a new friend? Nah, I guess a canopy sized dent in the ditch (worst case scenario) is the root of all evil. To much to ask of such an open minded and intelligent land owner.

See, my point is not everyone is an XXXXXXX. Some people are friendly. What goes around comes around. You probably never get to experience new area's or meet new people. You guys are probably too afraid of flying somewhere new because you could potentially meet someone like yourself. Instead of enjoying the situation and saying "hey thats kinda neat, never saw one of those before" the guy might run up on you with a shotgun and the doughnut munchers in tow. Well maybe some of us are a bit more accomodating to strangers or "new" people. Especially the ones that mean no harm and practice common sense. To each thier own I guess.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk

04-26-2008 03:46 PM

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vsnyder8
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Location: Ft Wayne, IN

As long as you have fun, don't hurt anyone and for goodness sake don't fly on Mutt & Jocks land.

04-26-2008 04:56 PM

TwistedrotoR12
Senior Heliman
Location: Wichita ks

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As long as you have fun, don't hurt anyone and for goodness sake don't fly on Mutt & Jocks land

Well said,
i think people should just fly where they want to . No one is going to listen to anyone off the computer telling them where not to fly,, live and learn.

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04-26-2008 05:19 PM

Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

Thats right dont go trespassing on my land as I will have trespassers arrested. It is that thinking there

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i think people should just fly where they want to

is why people close off lands and access to areas. How would you like it if I just showed up at your house and decided to kick back and catch some rays in your front yard and say servive my truck? you would be telling me to leave in a heart beat same freaking thing its trespassing but some people got thier heads so far up thier butts they cant see the truth and proper ways things are you want to fly ask you want to ride ask dont just go and do it as it is breaking the law.

04-26-2008 06:21 PM

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