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Main Discussion > TREX 600N or 600E?
 
 
Reddog
New Heliman
Location: Provo, UT

I'm trying to decide between a T-Rex 600N and a T-Rex 600E. I'm really torn with what to get. I'm leaning a little toward the electric if for nothing else that being able to get rid of nitro. Any input from those who have tried or prefer one or both would be helpful. Here is what I have come to so far:

600E Pros -
1. Clean
2. Less maintenance
3. Quick flights are much easier
4. Less noise

Cons -
1. More Expensive
2. Shorter flight times

600N Pros -
1. Cheaper
2. Longer flight times
3. More people fly nitro (easier to get help)
4. No charging

Cons -
1. More maintenance
2. Nitro gets on everything
3. Need more equipment at the field

Any additional thoughts?
04-23-2008 02:35 AM
 
 
Pull-n-Pitch
Veteran
Location: Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

When you don't know what to do, Electric vs Nitro--Go NITRO!
You will find the helicopter is more adaptable from all aspects from learning stage to hard 3D....
My opinion only though...
04-23-2008 03:01 AM
 
 
enahs
Veteran
Location: Valparaiso, IN

A nitro heli isn't as messy as some make it out to be. It's not like the heli is dripping with oil/fuel. Really it comes down to whichever you want.

My personal opinion is electric for anything 500-sized and smaller and nitro for anything bigger.

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Shane Eagan
04-23-2008 03:02 AM
 
 
DMehalko(DM)
Senior Heliman
Location: Colorado

The 600e will outperform the 600n all day long, power wise, not flight time...

Trex450se, Trex600CF, HyperRaptor 90 3d
04-23-2008 03:03 AM
 
 
airboss
Elite Veteran
Location: OC ,california

get both, that way you can enjoy the long flights of the nitro and hit the local vacant lot early in the morning with the electric.I practice all my new stuff on the E heli. its much easyer and less expensive to repair.

Synergy N9..FlyBlackstarr.org.., Helifreak.com..,Insane Canopy..
04-23-2008 03:06 AM
 
 
Elgreco
Senior Heliman
Location: Montreal,QC-Canada

Electric.
I tend to find that people that insist on nitros are just not comfortable converting. They have been flying nitros a long time and stick by them.
However everyone I've talked to that HAS tried both equally in size, like the convenience and power of electric.

A lot less things can go wrong at the field. (hydrolock, clutch problems, compression,etc.)

Again that is my opinion and also want to say that I also have an evo 50 which I like very much also.

But my 600E, is something else.

Same really price. You just pay for everything upfront on the electric.

Trex 600E, Sceadu 50, Freya 90 /X9303
04-23-2008 03:15 AM
 
 
airboss
Elite Veteran
Location: OC ,california

my electric costs way less to repair than my nitro. 1 crash can break the engine and thats expensive, plus engines wear out. I put 130+ flights on my trex 600 E before it finally bit the dust. so its much cheaper to operate. battery's are expensive but T/P gives you 50% off new if you ruin it.

Synergy N9..FlyBlackstarr.org.., Helifreak.com..,Insane Canopy..
04-23-2008 03:19 AM
 
 
michael88997
Key Veteran
Location: northern texas, us

i would go with electric just because nitro is getting expensive and lipos are getting cheaper... once you get a charger that will last forever and just get some batteries and take care of them and they can last several hundred charges... plus a field here i go 2 limits the noise on nitros so 50 size helis are 2 loud... plus theres nowhere really 2 go with nitros but electrics are always getting new technology and have more power than nitros... nitros dont really make a mess but gas isnt going down ever so nitros will keep getting more expensive


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Performance Plus Rc Field Rep
trex 500, scorpion motor
04-23-2008 03:26 AM
 
 
Zman9545
Veteran
Location: The Golden STATE

Presentation !!

Do I really need to say more? Sorry guys… Nitro Rules!



Trex600N Pro
Kinetic 50

-The ONLY way you fail is when you quit.-
04-23-2008 04:46 AM
 
 
Pull-n-Pitch
Veteran
Location: Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

Zman9545-- Tell them, tell them all.......
04-23-2008 05:50 AM
 
 
george0079
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Firma

Quote 
A nitro heli isn't as messy as some make it out to be. It's not like the heli is dripping with oil/fuel. Really it comes down to whichever you want.

My personal opinion is electric for anything 500-sized and smaller and nitro for anything bigger

Yep

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Do I really need to say more? Sorry guys… Nitro Rules!


That about covers it

The older I get, the shorter my attention....... Oh look. A shiny penny..

Steve
04-23-2008 05:53 AM
 
 
4eye
Senior Heliman
Location: Honolulu

"A nitro heli isn't as messy as some make it out to be. It's not like the heli is dripping with oil/fuel. Really it comes down to whichever you want."

Exactly how I feel. The "Nitro is too messy" argument is kinda weak. I have a Friend who always had electrics and finally got his trex nitro. Needless to say, he's real happy. He's not getting rid of his electrics but he likes the flight times he's getting now and agrees that the clean up isn't as much of a pain in the arse as people make it out to be.
04-23-2008 06:40 AM
 
 
crofty
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, AZ - USA

Your pros and cons really need to be weighted. In my opinion the ability to fly as much as you want, back to back, and still be ready to fly again tomorrow with no mucking around totally outweighs any cleaning concerns.

As for power, I watch Jason Krause make a 600n just dance. If you need more power the odds are it's your piloting skills that are letting you down not the engine.

If I could choose I would have both. As I can't afford both the nitro is just so much more engaging. I've never regretted going nitro, nor have any of the nitro advocates responding to you here. I'm not sure you could say the same for electric. I know a few that have confessed (normally when I'm on my 3rd or 4th flight) that they should have bought nitro.

Ask yourself this, how many flights do you want to be able get through in weekend? If it's only 2 or 3 then electric will work. Otherwise it's nitro.

I have nerves of steel but thumbs of jelly!
04-23-2008 06:56 AM
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

Reddog

It really is up to you.

I would not have an electric 600 since with the style flying I do I only get about 4 mins of flight time and takes 45 min to charge. With the nitro I get 7:30 of flight and it takes me about 1 min to refuel.

E helis have problems such as they can blow speed controllers and puff batterys. Glow helis you can blow a plug and have to know how to tune it or you will hurt the engine.

I see more people come into the shop to get new battery's and speed controllers after a crash than come in to buy a new engine after a crash. A hyper 50 is only 200.00 bucks and a 6s battery for the Erex is 300.00-350.00

In the end each person has to decide for themselves.

*I* don't like big electrics since:
1. I get really short flight times.
2. One crash can toast a 300 dollar battery.
3. It takes more time to charge than refuel.
4. I have to carry the same amount or more stuff to the field.
04-23-2008 06:56 AM
 
 
Zman9545
Veteran
Location: The Golden STATE

Quote 
Your pros and cons really need to be weighted. In my opinion the ability to fly as much as you want, back to back, and still be ready to fly again tomorrow with no mucking around totally outweighs any cleaning concerns.

Couldn’t of said it better myself. If cleaning is such a concern, I’ll clean it for you! If you let me fly it.


Trex600N Pro
Kinetic 50

-The ONLY way you fail is when you quit.-
04-23-2008 07:37 AM
 
 
Lota Fun R
Senior Heliman
Location: Glendora, CA

one thing not being taken into consideration about performance is that the E version does have more power.....for about 1 minute and then it's all over, the N version is just getting going when the E version has played it's hand. The nitro is just getting warmed up and the longer you fly it the better it gets.


And another thing, with the advent of the Carb Smart performance is getting better with nitro, and flight times are increasing even more.

One benefit of nitro is that the whole bird gets lubed, like it or not. I like it.

If I crash and destroy my battery on my N heli I'm out fiddy bux, if I crash a 600E, I'm out near 300bux.

Easy math 101.
04-23-2008 09:21 AM
 
 
Drunk Monk
rrProfessor
Location: Preston, UK

As for more equipment at the field, the only think you need is a starter since the align does the regulator with onboard glow. So we go to the field with heli, fuel and a starter and fly till the fuel runs out If I went the electric route I would have 3 batteries or maybe only 2 since they are so expensive, so that's $1,000 in batts for 20 mins flight time unless you cart your chargers to the field as well which means you need more equipment to take to the field.

I have to admit though its great to just going to the field, plug in and go, nice and easy


Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....
04-23-2008 09:30 AM
 
 
heliboy1023
Veteran
Location: Tinton Falls, NJ

Here it is priced out if you want to fly a lot (Doesn't include costs of kits and such which are very close in price depending how you go)

Here is what you would need electric to get in 20+ flights a day where you can get 4 flights per hour for 5 hour on a 50 sized electric. Each battery takes 1 hour to charge. (Each battery is a FP 22.2v 4900 pack and will say can get 100 cycles before its lost its punch)

5 batteries= (300*5)=$1500
4 TP 1010 charger (200*4)=$800
4 blink balancers (40*4)=$160
4 deep cycle batteries (80*4)=$320 about the same as a good generator

Right there is $2780, and every 500 flights (25 weeks) You would need new packs.

Now, lets say I fly nitro, and I have a 500cc tank. That is a 7.5 tanks per gallon. So I will go through 3 gallons of fuel in that time. Lets say fuel is expensive, and is $30 a gallon. So that would be $90 for those 20 flights. And lets say 3 receiver packs are 40 each which is $120, and a cheap lipo charger for them is $40.

It would take about 30 weeks with that type of flying for fuel and the initial cost to equal that of batteries and initial supplies. Mind you this is 20 flights in 1 day, 1 day a week.

Now, I didn't add up flight time. I know for hard 3d, a well tuned 50 sized nitro ship will get around 8 minutes or so with a good pilot.

Electric is about 4:30 for the same flying with the same pilot.

So overall flying time for those 20 flights is down.




When actually priced out, 50 sized an up electrics are very, very expensive if you want a lot of flying time. However, if money isn't an issue, get both.

You know you have to many heli's only when your wallet is empty.
04-23-2008 11:51 AM
 
 
Elgreco
Senior Heliman
Location: Montreal,QC-Canada

Well, as I said before, look who is supporting nitros. All senior helismen and veterans.....

All these guys have been flying nitros all their lives and tuning and running a nitro is second nature to them.

I've seen many fairly newcomers to the hobby spend more time on the field trying to start the nitro or change glow plugs or flush the engine after it floods than actually flying.

Having said that, once you pass that stage, it's good.

I have both(electric and nitro, though different helis) and I wouldn't have it any other way. Cost aside, you have to consider this, which might however not apply to you....
Flying times are much greater in nitros but noise levels are too. I prefer the noise free enviroment of the 600E. After all I have enough noise with everybody else's nitros.So look at where you are able to fly.

Also when you slowly end up getting 3-4 batteries, then you fly all day. You just recharge on the field as you go.

PS. batteries have gone down. I don't know why people keep bringing up those 300 dollar values. Look around people. And at almost 30 bucks a gallon nowadays for nitro fuel, it's not as cheap as it used to be anymore. it piles up fast...

Trex 600E, Sceadu 50, Freya 90 /X9303
04-23-2008 12:22 PM
 
 
crofty
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, AZ - USA

Quote 
Well, as I said before, look who is supporting nitros. All senior helismen and veterans

You mean all those with experience, knowledge and wisdom. And with all that combined wisdom we all gave up on the E and went back to nitro. I think you make a good point.

I'm only joking. I'd happily own both.

I have nerves of steel but thumbs of jelly!
04-23-2008 01:58 PM
 
 
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