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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > Torn between Knight 50 3D and Pantera
 
 
mirage98
Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

Anyone have experience with the Knight 50 3D? I'm really torn between the two. Anyone flown the Knight 50 to compare?
04-22-2008 03:28 AM
 
 
enahs
Veteran
Location: Valparaiso, IN (college); Sturgis, MI (home)

I have no experience with the Knight, nor have I seen one in person. It sounds like it is a very good, capable heli though.

I do know for a fact that John supports his helis extremely well. He gives great customer support. If you have a problem or something, one quick phone call will put you on with him and he'll help you with whatever you need. With the price of the kit now $259, its a very good deal. It flies great too! Good luck with your decision and don't be afraid to ask whatever you want about the Pantera. We'll help you with it.

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Shane Eagan
04-22-2008 04:07 AM
 
 
MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

I have both but have only flown the Panteras. The Knight has only been out of the box to look over. Strictly on appearances, the Knight 3D has some very nice fit and finish but it better. It's a $400 kit! I have been warned that the stock setup is very fast on cyclic and that even an intermediate pilot should do a conservative setup and work their way into the speed. The Pantera on the other hand requires some setup to get it faster. The great thing about the Pantera is that it doesnt require any upgrades to get that speed except maybe the hard dampers. A good set of fast servos and the correct length arms are important though. The Pantera is impossible to beat for the price. If you are anything less that a complete hotshot 3D heli pilot, the Pantera is the way to go. If you are fully able to pound a heli in seemingly out of control wild FAST 3D from one end of the field to the other, the Knight is probably a better idea. I have seen both fly, they both fly 3D great but the Knight can be built well under 7 pounds and is very fast on cyclic. The Pantera is going to be a good 8 pounds and flies 3D but in a more relaxed manner. Now, will all that said, if I could only have one, I'd take the Pantera based on price and value/performance for the money. Of course, to be fair, If I thought the Knight was a complete dog, I wouldnt have a $400 kit sitting here in the closet.....but it is in the closet for now.

Marty,
8 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50&90, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-22-2008 11:29 AM
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MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

One thing that really bugs me about the Knight is that it comes darn near assembled. The parts count looks MUCH higher on the Knight. It looks like its a billion small pieces but that might just be my perception. The prudent thing to do is to take it all apart and check the assembly, grease that which must be greased and locktite that which should be locked so just give me a kit. I'd rather not cycle all the hardware out and back in. I think the Pantera has a nearly perfect amount of preassembly done though they could leave the grips and bearings off the head. That might help people not miss the note about greasing the bearings before flight.

Marty,
8 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50&90, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-22-2008 11:40 AM
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Brian C
Heliman
Location: Houston, TX

I have one of each,
Pantera has not flown yet, I stuffed my YS60 in it,
the reason for buying it. Looks like it will be 8 lbs
or maybe a few ounces more.

My Knight 50 3D weights 7lbs 6 oz. Put the full size
throttle servo, GV1 govenor and 611 gyro in it, weight
goes up to 8 lbs. As you take weight off, it gets really
tail heavy, you will have to move the tail servo up front
and use a larger battery to balance. I stayed with a Nimh,
need the weight and the loose the complexity of Lipo setup.
Yes, it can be very quick on the cyclic out of the box, you
can also tune it down. Parts count is not bad.
Pre-assembly work is good, loctite as needed and nothing loose
or over tightened.

Pantera and Sport version of Knight are both easier to work on
than Knight 3D.

Knights are very stable in a hover and foward flight.

Fit and finish is better on the Knight.

Price, hands down the Pantera wins.

Support, so far the Pantera.

Be interesting to see which machine I fly more this summer?

Just my 02
Brian
04-22-2008 01:56 PM
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Hi mirage98

Since I own Audacity Models, and the Pantera is my baby, there's no way for me to respond without seeming self-serving. That said, I think if take what I say with a grain of salt, then you can judge for yourself the validity of my words.

First off, many find the Knight a nice flying bird. Their quality control has also made great strides in the last year. Also, Marty's obseration about a lot of small parts is accurate, and as a result the Knight takes longer to build (and maintain). This is simply a matter of common sense.

Further to this, the Knight 3D shares with the TRex 600N an issue often overlooked during the hoorah about which model is lighter. In short, the lighter weight of the finished product translates directly into a more fragile model. After all, it stands to reason you don't get something for nothing! So when you add a ton of tiny parts to the mix, and while you may never plan to crash, when you do, there is a considerable investment in both your time and money to repair the result.

Unless you have money to blow and time on your hands, this is a factor. Hence, the high parts count and style of construction, which is both strong yet fragile (and thus, may shatter like an egg) means it's higher maintenance as well. Here's an analogy, a composite body Corvette may be sexier than a steel body Mustang, but which would you rather be in during a crash?

Similarly, while not made of steel, the Pantera is more robustly built. The frames are tougher, the bearings are larger, and in general construction is flat out heavy duty, which means it's just more durable. And with fewer parts it's also easier to assemble, quicker to maintain, and generally more capable of abuse, which you'll discover the first time you smack it into terra firma.

When you consider the good flying qualities, inherent toughness, and more easy to maintain design (after all, what's your time worth?), then even if my model were 400 bucks, an argument could be made it's better. Add to the mix our BBC option, which gives you the flexiability of swapping in a 61 to 91-class big block engine (should you get the itch), the greater versatility of the design for scale use, which accepts up to 8 servos in the side frames, and features like the air filter, and many think my product is better regardless of price.

My 2¢


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
04-22-2008 01:57 PM
 
 
Brian C
Heliman
Location: Houston, TX

I agree Jim, the Pantera seems to be built more robustly.
I disagree on the Knight 3D being more fragile.
I have crashed mine, a very hard crash at that.
It is not fragile like a TRex 600.
The parts count is only higher due to the stacked frame
design. No more parts here than any other ship with
this design, actually less than some.

Brian
04-22-2008 03:37 PM
 
 
MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

well, maybe thats what I should have said. It's a stacked frame therefore it has more parts than a Pantera. I agree, from what I have seen, I dont think a G10 Knight is as fragile as the Trex.

Marty,
8 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50&90, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-22-2008 03:44 PM
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