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e-Align T-REX 450-500-600 > T-REX 600 Loving it again- wait, maybe not...Well, yes I am again!
 
 
helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

EDIT- see later posts abut the Z30A failing in flight:

I made a couple "forced" upgrades to my 600:
Replaced the stock motor with a ZPower Z30A, still on 6S, with 16T Mikado pinion. Great motor, very good power, smooth running and lighter than the stock motor, best head speed I've run on this heli.

ThunderTiger Green paddles- a bit larger area and maybe lighter than the stock Align- cyclic rates are lightening fast now, and very crisp. They fly better than the V-paddles I tried too. Cheap, fly great, flashy...

This heli is once again very exciting to fly . When I first got it, what a rush flying such a big heli compared to the 450. Over time I've upped the power/performance on the 450, so the 600 started to feel slow and maybe sluggish. Blew a bearing on the 600L motor, broke a shaft shortly thereafter on the 600XL, so upgraded to the ZPower. Now the 600's back to the top as my favorite flier.

Of course, I got a Knight 3D nitro on the way, we'll see...

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
04-18-2008 12:27 PM
 
 
Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

Those TT green paddles do seam to be the best choice. Are you using the long or short flybar?



... BTS
04-18-2008 01:59 PM
 
 
helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

Hmm, I think still the original length flybar. I might change to the longer, now that you brought it up- I like the longer one on the 450 much better.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
04-18-2008 02:37 PM
 
 
Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

The longer flybar gives a higher cyclic rate but it pulls the motor harder, especially if you run a very high headspeed. I found that if you use the longer flybar and reduce the headspeed you have the same cyclic rate but the flight time goes up. It’s a tradeoff.




... BTS
04-18-2008 03:27 PM
 
 
helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

Good info there, thanks,
On the 450 the longer flybar has the added affect of slightly better hovering stability, but more cyclic rate once input is given.

Hadn't thought of the added load from the paddles being further out. I could try a longer flybar and go down a tooth in pinion. I really don't want to shorten the flight times from where I'm at.

All said I'm pretty happy with it as it is now, so maybe I won't mess with it. ...For a while

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
04-18-2008 04:01 PM
 
 
Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

I didn’t really notice any less flight time with the longer flybar. It just bogged down slightly more during hard cyclic maneuvers.

You should certainly try the longer flybar with a smaller pinion. You might like it or not but it’s always to experiment a little.






... BTS
04-18-2008 07:36 PM
 
 
helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

Okay, this is getting tedious

Last night, first flight, the ZPower Z30A motor barfed its guts out, the shaft/motor rotor shifted down and stripped out half the main gear. Auto'd in just fine- find the heli covered in nylon flakes.

I'll send it back to HeliDirect, and I suppose request a replacement rather than money back because this thing really ran well otherwise.

Are there any good 6S motors for the Trex 600? I have heard of problems even with the top-end motors like the Neu.

Maybe I'll look again at the Align 1700kV XL motor but I'm turned off by Align motors in general.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
04-23-2008 12:20 PM
 
 
helicraze
Veteran
Location: Victoria - Australia

L motors don't have enought power, XL is not bad if you can get one that doesn't **** itself. Do a search on the net, i think it was trexforums or something they did a reveiw on about 8 motors on the trex 600
04-23-2008 11:15 PM
 
 
electricdurango
Veteran
Location: Sterling, VA

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L motors don't have enought power

Im still running my original 600L that came with my 1st 600CF kit. I run on a 12tooth with a CC85HV ESC and radix 600's. I think its got plently of punch. Although I have not flown anyother motors in this 600. I have noticed over the many flights I have done, I have increased my throttle curve to 100-97-85-97-100 from 100-80-100

450se v2
04-24-2008 03:22 AM
 
 
helicraze
Veteran
Location: Victoria - Australia

I mean comparing to a lot of the other motors out the the L seems to be a little on the low side in terms of power.
04-24-2008 03:28 AM
 
 
helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

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i think it was trexforums or something they did a reveiw on about 8 motors on the trex 600

Yes, yes, I've read the forums and did the research- the TrexTuning site is why I bought the Z30A- that and other good reports about the latest A version (original Z30 wasn't very good).

I flew a 1650kV XL which sheared the shaft in flight a couple weeks ago. Got all of 10 or so flights on it.

My original L motor wasn't too bad at first, then all at once began to run hot and not put out much power. Put in a different L, it was decent, then the top bearing went bad (found in preflight).

I'm not getting Neu, I'm not getting a Neu, I'm not getting a Neu....


... should I get a Neu?

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
04-24-2008 03:41 AM
 
 
docjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Stockton, CA United States

helimatt,

I've had 3 motors for my 6s 600E. first the 600L, then the 600XL 1650kv. I finally got the chance to buy a Neu 1515/2.5/D (non-heli) motor for about 100 bucks off the new price (this was new in box) so I jumped on it. I was glad I did. My XL motor crapped out after about 100 flights. But the Neu motor has tons of power and it has lasted me a long time. I would recommend it if you have the means. Give the ZPower a try if you can get a replacement.

BTW, you seem to be having a lot of problems with your motors. Any chance your gear mesh is a little to tight? that could wear down your bearings prematurely, cause your motor to overheat and possibly break your shaft. I know it's probably not but it was just a thought. I usually will have a bit of play in between my pinion and gear so that there's a little clicking if I move the gear but keep the pinion still.

Joe
We haven't seen Colonel Angus around these parts for years!
04-24-2008 07:47 AM
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helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

Yes I do look guilty of destroying motors! The details:

Original with a 600L, flew good, then began to notice a serious reduction in power, thought it was my batteries, and it was to an extent, but putting in a new 600L and the life seemed to come back pretty well. I was fairly happy with this setup even on 10T. But, my skills have (somewhat) progressed...

That second L lasted quite a few flights and a couple crashes; its possible that the bearing was damaged in a crash, the bearing deteriorated to the point that it allowed lots of play in the shaft, so I retired the motor and mounted an XL I had bought second-hand but NIB.

That XL on 10T pinion was okay, but seemed only a bit more power and lots more amp-hungry than the L I had been just flying. The shaft then sheared off (common problem with the 1650kV XL motors I guess- lots of people say they've had the same thing) after less than 15 flights. Hmph.

Researched and got the Z30A, like I said its a nice performer, but now its gone bad.

Mesh is very important you're right- I carefully set mine so that there is a little bit of loose "click" at the tightest point (out of round main gears ). I doubt that I am overloading the motor. The lagtest failure was not directly a bearing from side-loads, but something let loose and allowed the motor rotor to shift downwards and back out of the case some. It can be slid easily up and down about 3/4" now. Still runs, but wants to move down under load. I have not looked more closely at it; its nearly brand new so I want warranty replacement (waiting to hear back from HeliDirect).

Joe, did you have some repairs needed on your Neu 1515/2.5/D or was that a different motor?

Thanks again for your input.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
04-24-2008 01:33 PM
 
 
TaleGunner
Senior Heliman
Location: Deer Park WA

I just received 2 new motors for the 600 from megamotorsusa.com
One is a ACn 22/30/2 F its there new 6s fan heli motor 1920kv runs stronger and cooler than stock with higher head speed on 10t pinion equal or better run times with much improved performance best part is it was only $140 about 40 flights on it so far no issues.

second is the ACn 22/45/2 F heli fan motor 1250kv for 8s I have not installed it yet waiting for new pinions to arrive. again performance comparable to neu for under $200.
I saw this motor flown next to a neu but have not done the comparison myself. If anyone has please post opinion.

The other nice thing was they were in stock and I had them in 2 days.

I have several other mega motors on aircraft and I have only had 1 issue with a motor that was actually caused by a defective HV110 on 12s and ken at Mega replaced it immediately .

I cant speak Highly enough about the motors or the company and am very excited to see they have built new heli specific motors

CRASH! GLUE! REPEAT!
04-24-2008 03:41 PM
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helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

talegunner, thanks for the info about these motors- I cannot get to the website now... they have begun blocking a lot of web categories at work now; I can only get to RunRyder by using runryder.net (!), that may not last much longer either.

I'll check them out tonight. What suppliers carry Mega motors, or best to get them direct?

1920kV on a 10T would be stupid high headspeed...

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
04-24-2008 04:36 PM
 
 
Old Sloppy
Heliman
Location: Atlanta, Georgia USA

An indestructable motor hasen't been invented yet.

Your flying skills exceed current technolgy...

Harry

Trex 600e CF,Futaba 7CH 2.4 ghz, Air Thunder , X-Cell optical tachometer
04-24-2008 05:05 PM
 
 
docjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Stockton, CA United States

Quote 
Joe, did you have some repairs needed on your Neu 1515/2.5/D or was that a different motor?

Matt,
That was a different motor. It was the 1515/2Y that I was using on my 10s. I think for me, the pinion mesh was bad and that is what caused 2 bearing failures in the past, or it was my dumb A$$ trying to pry apart a loctite'd pinion. (I know better now). The 1515/2.5/D has been very solid for me. I have no complaints except I wish I had the Heli version.

Joe
We haven't seen Colonel Angus around these parts for years!
04-24-2008 05:59 PM
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helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

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Your flying skills exceed current technolgy

HA! or lack of skills. No Mad Skillz, just Mad.

I think I need to save up for the Neu, heli version if I'm going to keep flying this thing. Or the ZPower Z50- the higher Kv version is available from the UK, not around here, but TrexTuning had good things to say about it.

But I like my little German (Austrian) car, maybe I'd like a little motor with the German name. "Achtung, hier kommt das Neu motor!"

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
04-24-2008 07:05 PM
 
 
Cottered
Heliman
Location: Buntingford, Herts, England

The Z-power kv1150 is made for Mikado the part number is 05000 or MIK5000. The pinion I use is also Mikado 03016 or Mik3016 - 16 tooth Module 0.7 for 5mm shaft. You should be able to get it from any Mikado dealer! Very good motor.

T-REX600e x3, E620, MINI TITAN
04-25-2008 06:04 PM
 
 
helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

Thanks Cottered,

Thats the Z50 equivalent? It would be mail-order for me. Maybe I should have gotten that rather than the Z30A. I am running the Mikado 16T 5mm, .7mod.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
04-25-2008 08:56 PM
 
 
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