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Triguy
Heliman
Location: Nevada, USA

After about 10 years of wanting to get into this hobby, here I am, home from my first flights, with a big smile on my face. I've been lurking on these forums for a ridiculously long time, hesitant to make the financial and time investment to learn to fly. I've been flying slope planes for a few years and having fun with that, but kept finding excuses not to get into helis...

Anyways, I've been spending most of my time over the last year in the beginner's forum, the safety forum, and the trex forum (I picked up a 450se).

Today, I went to an empty parking lot, brought the heli a pretty long ways from my truck, moved myself well out of the way, and slowly spooled it up.

Now, the heli is used, so I didn't build it. But I went over all of the standard pre-flight checks I could find on this website. Loctite seemed to be used in all the right places, bent tension felt good, nothing was obviously wrong, and I programmed my radio appropriately - the pitch settings are mild, and I'm only dealing with positive pitch.

My homemade training gear is admittedly a bit big - and I found a flaw in my design (more to that later).

I was blown away by how cool this was. I got it kinda skirting around on the pavement, and for 10 minutes split between two lipos, I slowly motored around close to the ground, getting my orientation, and occasionally bringing the heli a few inches off the ground. Once, I probably kept it 3 inches off the ground for about 20 seconds, all within maybe a 4' x 4' square. Whoah! Once, it was moving backwards and the training gear ball slipped into a crack in the cement. I didn't even hesitate for a moment to kill the motor and move the heli back into my training space - I have all the time in the world to learn to do this. I probably cut the motor 10-15 times when I probably didn't have to. Simply to be safe. That safety forum has instilled the fear in me...

Post-flight, I recognized my training gear design flaw - namely, styrofoam balls instead of whiffle. Now, for people flying on grass, styrofoam is probably fine. But for a guy learning on a parking lot, styrofoam gets eaten up pretty quick. I'll have to do some mods there.

I'm really stoked about this whole process and wanted to share my first flights with the people who have, without their knowing it, provided me most of the information I know about this hobby. So there you have it. I'm off and rocking.

One question for you all. If you keep a flight log (which I intend to), what sort of data do you include? I don't know what will be valuable to know down the road, since I'm still at the beginning of the road. For sports, obviously things like weather, HR, duration, distance, calorie intake, etc, are valuable. But what should I record from these flights? I'm thinking: duration of flights, weather, time of day, observations, how the flight was spent, what was being practiced. What else? Thanks in advance!

(...this is so cool...)
04-17-2008 10:43 PM
 
 
heliman79
Heliman
Location: loxley, alabama united states

congrats on the addiction. its only gonna get worse and thier is no cure, rehab, etc! youre a lifer! larning to hover takes alot of time, crashing is gonna happen! keep working in the low hover until you get a feel for it, SLOWY progress to higer altitudes around 6 inches to a foot, then 2ft and so on. you will notice the heli is more stable in higher altitudes because you are out of ground effect. master tail in for a good week or how ever long it takes before attempting nose in, thats when it gets tricky! try to fly in calm conditions at first, small 450s tend to ballon alot in the wind( up and down) pick a blade cx2 so you can practice indoors and learn all the orentaions! happy flying

damn, that was close!
04-17-2008 11:21 PM
 
 
Triguy
Heliman
Location: Nevada, USA

Yeah, thanks! Actually, I remember an old, and I mean an OLD Rotary Modeler magazine, where Mike Mas wrote a piece about how to learn to hover in all orientations. I think the article recommended working in small chunks (makes sense). Like, first get tail in, then get the heli to yaw at a 20 degree angle, learn that, then 20 more degrees, etc. until all of the orientations are learned.

I'm sure other people have written similar articles/given similar advice/drawn similar pictures in the last 10 years, but I still remember that article and plan to stick to it.

And yeah, I just went out and played around with my third lipo (now all three need to be charged). Similar experience, though it was a bit more smooth flight. I imagine each flight will become a bit more smooth and graceful. Until I crash, that is...
04-18-2008 12:03 AM
 
 
TwistedRotor
Senior Heliman
Location: Tulsa, OK- USA

The only log I keep is on my li-pos. I put a tick mark every time it's charged. Just keeps track of how many flights I get out of them before it's time for a new one. And I'm about due.

Slope planes, huh. Eventually you'll be slope soaring that trex.

Welcome to the addiction.

The helicopter is a machine trying to commit suicide,our job is convincing her to fly...
04-18-2008 12:09 AM
 
 
TachyonDriver
Senior Heliman
Location: Chipping, Lancs, UK

WELCOME!
I don't think any of us forget how cool the first hover was!

The first crash is a sickener, but hopefully, you'll get over it and enjoy the hobby, even if the wallet doesn't

Tach.

Little Spinning Bundle of Joy®
04-18-2008 12:21 AM
 
 
Zman9545
Veteran
Location: The Golden STATE

Congrats! You have just entered the point of no return. There is so much more to expeirence. The rush you felt will only multiply as your skills progress. This hobby will always provide you with endless possibilities and challenges. You will never find yourself in bordom.

Glad U can join the ranks!


Trex600N Pro
Kinetic 50

-The ONLY way you fail is when you quit.-
04-18-2008 03:53 AM
 
 
Pull-n-Pitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

Triguy--
Congrat's on getting out there and doing it... That's how I learned, my dad flew the real deal (US Naval Air SH-3 Seakings) and his advise was "shut up and fly that thing" and I remember he said to me "You fly it, don't let it fly you".....
He broke me into the RC heli game... Best and worst thing he ever did for me as my dad!!! He has Two Raptor 60's and still hovers them out (he's 71yrs old) so you can stay in this game a long time, so do the right thing, learn all you can learn, Learn from your mistakes of pilot error and bottom line don't get discouraged...

Just get out there and "Pull some Pitch" --- Congrats!
Keep us posted on your progress we love to hear it!
04-18-2008 04:25 AM
 
 
TJinGuy
Key Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

Congrats and welcome to the addiction! My advice now would be to take things slow and get really good at each stage of the learning process. These skills will be the foundation for the rest. Also there is nothing wrong with using training gear but be careful not to make things harder with heavy/large gear

Oh and I keep a journal with basic info about each day of flight, what I tried and changed and any problems that I had. I also keep a detailed LiPo log that includes the voltage after each flight, mAh put back in and any other info I find useful. I started on paper but ended up with a spreadsheet on my laptop.

Keep up the good work!

- Chris

Variety+spice+life=King2+MiniT+Rex450
TAKE OFF AND LANDING CHAMPION SUPREME
04-18-2008 06:09 AM
 
 
Triguy
Heliman
Location: Nevada, USA

Thanks for the encouragement everyone. I put in another 4 flights yesterday, and even maintained a pretty decent hover for about 20 or 30 seconds.

Its funny, but maybe the nature of this beast is that as soon as a guy starts flying, he starts looking to upgrade things. That being said, I've been looking at the stainless steel screw sets for this heli since the screws on it are, no offence to Align, pieces of metal ****.

Also, what would you guys recommend as far as an onboard battery indicator? My charger won't tell me how much juice it puts back into the cells, and I've ordered a blinky balancer (which is on backorder) which also doesn't tell me the power going back into the cells. I'm stuck guessing how much juice is in the packs when I fly (I stick to 5 minutes to be safe), but I would like some sort of onboard readout of current capacity. Are these sort of devices made/what are they called/which would you recommend?
04-19-2008 05:07 PM
 
 
andythilo
Senior Heliman
Location: Saffron Walden, Essex, UK

A tip for the training gear. Ditch the balls and arms and get a hoop, like a kids hula hoop. You will have to retro fit the arms inside it but it's far better.

Pic from a members gallery as an example.


04-19-2008 06:28 PM
 
 
Fullpitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Deerfield Beach,Florida

Thats great keep it up it only gets better. I just got my dad into
helis and he loves it he is 65 yr. old so its never to late to get
into it. Ive been flying for 4 and a half years and I will never
stop flying or till I cant hold the controler in my hands anymore.
04-19-2008 07:20 PM
 
 
Triguy
Heliman
Location: Nevada, USA

Okay, Everyone. Here's the latest:

I've been flying about 3 packs/day. This is so great. I just came back from flying and for all 3 packs I kept the heli pretty much in the air and in the same (same = relative term) place. No crashes or damage so far, but I've prepared for the heartbreak when it happens. I've also cut off the foam balls from my training gear and replaced them with ping-pong balls. They are far smaller, and all told my training gear have narrowed by about a 2-3" radius because of the change.

Today, I discovered a few things. 1. I can't pre-flight every screw in the head because different pieces of the head are infront of those screws. Obviously, these screws could never come all the way out, but if they develop play, it looks like its going to be a pain to get to them and tighten them. 2. My tail is a bit sticky. The shaft, which obviously is supposed to be greased, is not left with much grease. The result of this is obvious - when I correct yaw, the servo fights the friction, pushes it, then the gyro starts compensating and the tail shakes a bit for a moment. What sort of grease should a guy use to lube that shaft? (Wow, that sounds so wrong.) I have a garage full of motorcycle/bike stuff, can I just use some random lube or are their properties of the shaft and interface that requires specially formulated lube?

Thanks in advance. Back to work now I suppose...
04-21-2008 06:57 PM
 
 
heliman79
Heliman
Location: loxley, alabama united states

i would use tri-flow lube, its avail. at most hobby shops. if not use light lithihm grease. as for the tail feeling sticky, check your linkages, check for a bent pushrod. also check the races and pitch sliders, it could be a number of things!

damn, that was close!
04-22-2008 01:09 AM
 
 
Heligun
New Heliman
Location: Jax, FL- USA

I too have been a long time waiting to get into this hobby; I can actually remember wanting a Concept 30 so bad I could taste it but could never afford it.

Now that things are different I decided to take the plunge with a CX/2. Having the benefit of being able to use a simulator; it was'nt long before I moved up to the Blade 400. I flew it for a few weeks and got into forward flight. Confident that I would not crash it before I even got the engine run in I decided to make the jump to nitro and made a weekend project out of building/setting up my T-rex.

Yesterday it finally left the ground, all i can say is How freakin cool indeed ! I took it up to about 15 feet and just hovered for a minute or so before moving it around a little bit feeling out the cyclic. I'm still blown away by how much smoother and more stable this heli is. The small winds/gusts that make holding the Blade 400 in a stable hover quite the challenge don't bother the 'Rex a bit. It transitions in and out of a hover nicely even with a newbie pilot.

Now that I know what I've been missing, I am surely hooked for life. I only wonder how long it will be before I buy another one

A "fixed wing" is just a seized rotor...
04-22-2008 04:49 AM
 
 
Triguy
Heliman
Location: Nevada, USA

I hear you, man. My trex is a freaking ball, and I can't wait to get a scale fuse going for it - but I see these giant 50 and 90 size machines and think, "if money was no issue..." In fact, if we're dreaming, I want a turbine! Freaking rad.


Yeah...today I few another 3 packs worth, and for the last pack I was in the air the whole freaking time. It's just so awesome to get a machine in one spot in the air. Unreal.

Yeah, I remember the old Concept 30 - I was a huge fan of the DX body. But actually, do you remember the Concept 10? I loved the look of that little heli...
04-22-2008 04:59 AM
 
 
RaptorMan23
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

hoola hoola hoola

definitly makes great training gear

Helicopters have a mind of their own!!!
04-22-2008 05:26 AM
 
 
RadioFlyerMk
Senior Heliman
Location: Trenton, Ohio,

Triguy, Glad to hear about someone new! Welcome...
There are some "grease" preferences, but I have used tri flow oil, what you see in the little bottle, usually runs a couple of bucks. You can use a syringe to reach the hard to get spots. (I think someone already mentioned that). I bet you have some around the house.
The hula hoop is a great idea, but not sure I would use that on a Trex, what you upgraded to will work just fine. Besides, at your pace you will taking those off soon anyways. But don't be afraid to use the training gear when learning nose in.
If you decide to step into nitro, I would say skip the 30 size and go right into the 50. There are a bunch of them out there to choose from. Myself, I like the Pantera 50, a geat flying bird and it won't break the bank.

Also, if you don't have one, you should look into a fliight simulator. You don't have to have the latest greatest, I am still running the real flight G2. The sim makes for a great learning tool!It is money well spent, and I bet if you can find a G2, it will be priced very reasonable. Take care and good luck!

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"I'd rather hover a Heli......than fly a plane"
04-22-2008 08:04 AM
 
 
nofear
Senior Heliman
Location: Chicago, IL

Aaah, the ol' hoop days

I learnt to fly with a hula-hoop. A pink one at that as it was the only one I could find. It did match the pink decals on my shuttle Z at the time so it worked out great.
Wow...that was like 12 years ago.

You think that the first hover flight is kewl, wait until you take the training gear off for the first time.
You legs will shake, you hands will shake, you'll barely be able to keep a steady hand on the TX.

But after that, you'll feel like you just conquered the world.

Enjoy.
04-22-2008 10:40 AM
 
 
Pyrock
Key Veteran
Location: SF Bay Area

Just wait until you guys try a larger bird! You guys remind me of when I first got started not too long ago. It was a rush especially since I've wanted to get into RC Helis for over 10 years. I couldn't beleive I actualy got into a hover. when/if you try a 50 or 90 sized bird, get ready...because its almost like getting hooked all over again. congrats and enjoy!

Blinged Trex 450SE, Stretched Logo 10 3D, Ion-X
04-24-2008 12:05 AM
 
 
Triguy
Heliman
Location: Nevada, USA

Ah, yes, everyone. When I have the funds, talent, and time to invest in a larger bird, I will probably go with a .50 sized machine. Although I've only been flying for a week, I've been honestly following the hobby for 10 years. It seems the .30 sized machines have been eclipsed by the .50 sized (even though they are similar sizes). But I'm getting ahead of myself.

3 more packs today. I'm getting pretty good at holding a hover. For the hell of it, I experimented around with a non-tail-in orientation. Whoah. That is going to take some work. Slowly, though.

I do have another question for you gurus. I keep reading threads in the safety forum. I don't know about any of you, but every time I spool up the heli I think, "man, this little thing could hurt someone/myself/property pretty quickly and effortlessly." It's the same sort of thing I think about when I get on my motorcycle and bicycle - just the notion that safety is important and I'm too young to be losing limbs or functions because of a helicopter/motorcycle/bike obsession. I'm trying to say I'm concerned about safety.

That being said, right now I'm swinging carbon main blades. I have another set of carbons, and two sets of wood. Should I be flying with the wood blades? It seems that in a crash wood has better (safer?) material properties than carbon in terms of projectiles flying and hurting things or me. I'm new to this - I can hold a hover, but not well. I will crash soon, although I'm admittedly taking things slowly and progressing in small, measureable steps. When I crash, it seems I'll be better off with wood rather than carbon blades. So my question is: What are the merits in terms of safety and performance for moving from carbon to wood blades? Yes, most of you fly huge machines that swing enormous blades compared to this little 450 - but all macho nonsense aside, this little heli is dangerous and I don't want to put myself or others at risk because of my ignorance. What do you think about blade safety?

Back to work...even though all I'm thinking about is flying...
04-24-2008 04:44 AM
 
 
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