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Hogster
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, UK

http://www.wretch.cc/video/moumei&f...id=3578867&p=26

What was Alan (Szabo) thinking?!

3D in a confined space, and landing on someone's head??


David
04-17-2008 01:51 AM
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TankDirt
Senior Heliman
Location: illinois

yea its pretty crazy...Its amazing what people will do for the cameras ...I just wouldnt expect alan to do it...
04-17-2008 02:04 AM
 
 
BigguyOz
Key Veteran
Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

What a stupid idiot. Just imagine what would have happened if anything had gone wrong in that confined space.... Align would have been instantly put out of business due to having its backside sued off, and by the massive clampdown on R/C helis across the world.

Alan (and any other high proile flyer) really needs to be counseled on his responsibility to the wider heli community..

Tony Stott
Scenefromabove.com.au
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hot air balloon
kite
04-17-2008 03:07 AM
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GyroFreak
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Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

WOW, one linkage pops off and there would have been blood everywhere. I bet he hears about this one.

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04-17-2008 04:01 AM
 
 
Wa11banger
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Location: Huntsville, Al

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Align would have been instantly put out of business due to having its backside sued off, and by the massive clampdown on R/C helis across the world.

You must of forgotten that Align makes vacuum cleaners and kitchen appliances first, RC toys are Align's hobby, the way they enjoy themselves, waste money and have fun. Besides not all countries suppor lawsuit happy rules. Some might say the show asked him to do it, proper waivers were signed etc.

Might be compared to a two legged 210lb man bringing a 500lb 4 wheel drive lion on a leash onto Jay Leno's stage. Just as a link "could of" failed on that heli the lion "could of" mistaken someone in the audience for lunch.

But stupid to do none the less.

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, and K&B Dream Designs Teams
04-17-2008 04:43 AM
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Rick_H
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Location: Boulder City, Nevada

This has been brought up before. Alan explains it at the end of this video.

http://www.runryder.com/?v=/helicop...o-Interview.wmv

Rick
04-17-2008 07:05 AM
 
 
alanhsu
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Its not about the heli, its just show biz.

people do stunts for movies and shows, etc.
(knife throwing, playing ith flame, jumping over a bus, to name a few)

As long as people know what risk they are taking (from the video it seemed Alan had showed them the potential dangers involved). If the show production team gave the go ahead, then I don't think its a big deal.

Anyway, that's what insurance is for right^^!
04-17-2008 08:48 AM
 
 
BigguyOz
Key Veteran
Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

You are missing the point though. The way it was presented suggested that there was no real danger involved. Would they have allowed someone to spin a fullsize car into a parking space only 5 inches longer than the car using people to mark out the space in the studio? Of course not, even though there are plenty of drivers capable of driving with such precision.

But because the heli was small and electric-powered, they completely ignored the intrinsic risks of serious injury (In fact I would go as far as to say that a car spinning across the studio would be less dangerous than 50 size helicopter blades spinning at something over 2000rpm). At least the car would have been "soft" be comparison, and far less likely to come apart

I have watched the RR video, and sorry Alan, your excuse that the people knew what was going on just doesn't wash. It was a dumb trhing to do, with the potential to jeopardise the whole R/C heli hobby...

Tony Stott
Scenefromabove.com.au
Trex 450,AP2000i,Askman
8m mast
hot air balloon
kite
04-17-2008 09:06 AM
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jonzey
Heliman
Location: new zealand

I think you are all jelous that you will never be as good as he is, and have nothing else better to do than bag on him. Would be different if it was one of you's, look at the concentration on his face... How many times have you been flying and a links popped off? I reckon stop stiring s**t and go flying.

Matt.
04-17-2008 09:22 AM
 
 
BigguyOz
Key Veteran
Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

I find it rather sad that whenever anyone complains about dangerous flying, there is someone else who dismisses the complaint as being based on jealousy.

There are plenty of examples of "heroes" having things go wrong.

A TV "star" losing an eye caused by shrapnel from an R/C heli crash in front of cameras would result in hundreds if not thousands of flying sites around the world being shut down instantly.

Just have a look at the injury thread and convince yourself that the Szabos and Krauses etc could never have a breakage or make a mistake.

BTW, 3D heli flying is boring as bat-dung, so I am certainly not jealous.

Tony Stott
Scenefromabove.com.au
Trex 450,AP2000i,Askman
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hot air balloon
kite
04-17-2008 01:52 PM
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nojohnny101
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Location: 10 miles north of Cincy, OHIO

hey
he's alan szabo.....he can do what he wants






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04-17-2008 01:56 PM
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Hogster
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Location: Surrey, UK

Amen with Tony's post. Jealousy doesn't enter into it at all - 3D flying rarely holds my interest for more than a few seconds.


David
04-17-2008 02:07 PM
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Rick_H
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Location: Boulder City, Nevada

"A TV "star" losing an eye caused by shrapnel from an R/C heli crash in front of cameras would result in hundreds if not thousands of flying sites around the world being shut down instantly."

You must be off your rocker if you believe this!

Christopher Reeve was thrown from a horse during an equestrian event and later died from his injuries yet no Equestrian centers were shutdown due to a TV star being injured by the equestrian hobby. Do any of you know how many people including children are hurt and killed by horses every year. I know a friend of mine killed by a horse during a team penning event and she was only 17. Yet they are still team penning to this day. How many are injured or killed by Motorcycles and ATV's yet they are still going strong.

Our hobby is relatively safe compared to other hobbies out there. To think that it would be shutdown by a single event like that is plain ignorant.

Rick
04-17-2008 02:44 PM
 
 
BigguyOz
Key Veteran
Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Let's have a little think for a moment.

For some strange reason, people react differently when a bystander is hurt compared to a participant.

We will always tend to rationalise a situation when a participant is hurt - he/she died/got hurt doing something they loved. etc etc, but if a person in the crowd gets hurt or killed, the knives come out big time.

Hence my suggestion that if a bystander were severely injured by an R/C heli in a public situation, the sudden increase in awareness of the risks would see a big knee-jerk reaction by those bodies making their land available for R/C flying.

I would also venture to suggest that the hobby would have nowhere near the capability of the horsey, motorcycle or ATV groups to mount an effective self-defence PR effort, given the apathetic approach to stupid stunts like Alan Szabo's. Just look at the pathetic results of the aerial photography people to protect their interests with the FAA.

nope, there would be a huge reaction, like it or not...

Tony Stott
Scenefromabove.com.au
Trex 450,AP2000i,Askman
8m mast
hot air balloon
kite
04-17-2008 02:56 PM
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RCHeliJim
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Location: Orem, UT USA

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Hence my suggestion that if a bystander were severely injured by an R/C heli in a public situation, the sudden increase in awareness of the risks would see a big knee-jerk reaction by those bodies making their land available for R/C flying.

How many people have been killed at airshows over the years? HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS - yet I still see a very full airshow schedule this summer........ The same could be said for various other sports and hobbies.. I am not siding with anyone here, but lets not blow things into hysterical proportions either.

None of you were there at that show with Alan, none of you were there to see how much time he probably spent informing everyone involved of the possible risk, none of you were there when he probably practiced for the TV spot.... I personally dont think its a good idea to land on a mans head or fly 3D in confined spaces, and I will never do it myself. BUT I will not judge someone for it if I do not know all the facts, which none of you do.... just food for thought.



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04-17-2008 03:52 PM
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BigguyOz
Key Veteran
Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Fair point Jim, but again big events like airshows have major organisations involved and financial issues come into play.. On the other hand, the local municipal authority in charge of a flying field is not going to face any cohesive opposition if it decides to pull the plug on R/C flying to minimise its risk profile. Therefore the possibility of shutdown is quite a lot higher.

Sure I wasn't there either, but hovering a heli at eye level in front of half a dozen people, and then landing on someone's head, in front of the same people is certainly not going to be used to demonstrate safe flying...

Doesn't your magazine think it would be appropriate to discuss this with Alan to clarify what really took place?

Tony Stott
Scenefromabove.com.au
Trex 450,AP2000i,Askman
8m mast
hot air balloon
kite
04-17-2008 04:36 PM
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RCHeliJim
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Location: Orem, UT USA

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Doesn't your magazine think it would be appropriate to discuss this with Alan to clarify what really took place?

Just to clarify - its not "my" magazine by any means. I am just lucky enough to be associated with it in a small way I suggest you send an email to Mike V. with your interview idea, sounds like it could be an interesting read if it can be done and if Alan is up for it; then again there may not be much to it - who knows.

Like I said - I personally would not fly in that situation (nor do I have the skills to), but I wasnt there either so I do not know who signed waivers, if there was a disclaimer before or after that segment, etc...

Anyway, have a good one - Jim



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04-17-2008 04:43 PM
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GyroFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

WOW, I didn't watch the whole thing the first time. I'v seen a few Japanese game shows and they can be pretty wild and dangerous, so maybe they they don't have the "sue you" mentality.
I was in Switzerland many years ago and rode in elevators with the old sliding mesh doors (you can stick your hand thru while moving from floor to floor), glass blowers factory where you can freely walk among the glass blowers, ice caves that you are welcome to explore on your own, and yet no signs or restrictions on persons. I asked someone about liability and was told, "If you don't use common sense and get hurt, it's your problem" I don't think that is a good place for litigation lawyers. But I sure had fun.

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04-17-2008 09:34 PM
 
 
Rick_H
Key Veteran
Location: Boulder City, Nevada

"For some strange reason, people react differently when a bystander is hurt compared to a participant."

How were they bystanders? They know what was going on, they had practiced earlier according to Alan. To me that makes them willing participants.

Lets be real as long as you can provide insurance to protect these local municipal authorities they will continue to let us use the land. That is what the AMA provides us here in the USA and why I keep my AMA membership up to date.

Rick
04-17-2008 10:18 PM
 
 
TachyonDriver
Senior Heliman
Location: Chipping, Lancs, UK

The Japanese babes were HOT!

Perhaps some of the text on the screen was warnings not to try that at home etc.?

Hey, at least the human landing pad was wearing safety goggles!

Rick - I think BigguyOz was meaning a situation were bystanders are present and not those people in the studio.

Tach.

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04-18-2008 12:10 AM
 
 
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