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Got Jet Fuel? Turbine Helicopters > Charmouth 2008 How was it ?
 
 
MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: UK,Gravesend, Kent

How was Charmouth this year guys ?

Did the wren 44 make an apearance ?

Any new turbine pod and booms ?

Any new turbine scale machines ?

Matt

I bought my Mother-in-law a chair for xmas, but she wouldn't plug it in
04-12-2008 02:07 PM
 
 
Dave Hollins
Senior Heliman
Location: UK

I thought you were going to attend

There were a few heavy showers but still time for some flying.

Not many turbines, but I did have a few tanks through my Cobra

Found this today!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCUWUIU8oO8

My new CH53 was there but it isn't finished so it was only static

http://gallery.vario-helicopter.org/gallery/Dave_Hollins
04-14-2008 04:28 PM
 
 
MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: UK,Gravesend, Kent

Hi Dave

really nice video, i noticed you run the cobra through its paces,
nice to see, and i noticed you had a green extinguisher,
really glad to see it flying, shame i missed it, not been a good week for my family, but i manged to get 8 tanks in on weds, and 7 on thurs on my Avro ( off the lead at my field...

so not a total waster of a week..

Matt

I bought my Mother-in-law a chair for xmas, but she wouldn't plug it in
04-14-2008 04:34 PM
 
 
APOPHIS
Senior Heliman
Location: New York - USA & Manchester UK

Disgraceful! that's the only thing that i can think to say, the organisation of the event was just shocking! two helis flying and people waiting at Tx control for 30mins to book out Tx's and only 15mins allowed for a flight!!
And even when they let Tx's out you would be flying and you'd get a another flyer just walk up beside you and start flying, how there were no mid-airs i will never know!!

And to top it all off!! flying stopped at 4:30pm!!! That's right 4:30pm

The control of not just 2.4Ghz but 35Mhz aswell was just a farce!!

What needs to happen is a relax of control for 2.4Ghz and control cones out on the flight line, say 7 cones, perhaps more as it's a big flight line and it's a basic thing just que at a cone for a flight. If theres no free cones then you wait.

Not sure if i will be attending charmouth again!! Especially driving 300Miles+ to get there!!

One thing i will be doing is Attending the North Notts fly-in in September rather than attending Charmouth! I got a flyer from a gent at charmouth and it looks very professional and looks as though they are putting the effort into making it a good event, i have attending this fly-in in the past and it was superb! Field was comparable in size to the one used at charmouth and the facilities and organisation was much...much better!! A friendler atmosphere, with flying from the crack of sparrow fart to the awesome night flying!

North Nott's lads! Make it a good'en, it could be the new 'Charmouth'!!
04-15-2008 10:57 AM
 
 
coolice
Key Veteran
Location: Northamptonshire, England

Hey Matt,

Charmouth was great dude, real shame you missed it. As Dave said the weather could have been a bit better, eg. less rain and more sun but still there we're a few red faces through sun burn.

As for Tx control, I feel the AHA ran the event very well indeed inlight of the obvious problems of policing flying slots etc.
While I can agree on the relaxing on 2.4ghz to some extent I cannot say that leaving it fully up to the fliers is a good idea either. At the end of the day there needs to be some form of control as to flying slots in a vain effort to keep things fair for ALL fliers attending the event, not just 2.4ghz owners.
As has been proved 2.4 can just turn on and fly at any time, 35mhz fliers cannot and so need to wait patiently for a peg/frequency slot to fly.

There will be major changes to the way Tx control is organised next time, according to Roger Mayo of the AHA and from the sounds of it will benefit the event, but time will tell of course as to if it works out a fair setup or not.

The only downer I felt was the stoppage of all flying activity on the camp site due to complaints from the public. This is one area I feel which makes Charmouth flyin what it is, the fact you can still fly back at the camp site and so will welcome the work around for this next year.
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Ian Contessa
UK Century Sponsored Flier
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04-15-2008 01:49 PM
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jimmy belugy
Heliman
Location: barnsley south yorkshire england

North Nott's lads! Make it a good'en, it could be the new 'Charmouth'!!

i agree north notts is the future be there 12-14 of september.
look forward to seeing you all there ,should be the best flyin this year.
04-16-2008 12:37 AM
 
 
PETER ROB
Key Veteran
Location: Devon UK

Charmouth, Long may it continue

APOPHIS, I was at Charmouth for the whole weekend, you seem to be distorting the facts, On Saturday flying finished at 5.00pm, flight times were not 15mins but 25 mins or one flight, the organisers, like in previous years decided that 10 transmitters out at time was a safe limit
You have also not mentioned how many pilots wanted to fly, I know there were hundereds of cars at the event
Coolice, Newlands is a Holiday Camp catering for a lot of people not flyers, just ordinary families with children, if you think it is safe for pilots to go out and do full 3D schedules, with NO control, in an area which is next to a childrens play area and a dog walking area, you really need to think again
North Nott's,Good to see there is another event, taking place, It will never be a New Charmouth, lets hope it becomes a premier event
Do not blame, orginisers, for letting out transmitters to pilots who just want to set up their machines ( they should do it before they come to the event)
Orginisers, who let out transmitters for one flight,when the heli Battery only lasts for minutes ( some pilots took out a spare to get some extra time)
Orginisers, who finish 1/2 hour earlier on the last day, to give them time to clear the site of safety equipment, and rubbish, and then drive 200+ miles to get home
Newlands, for stopping flying because of safety ( BMFA safety code)
I have been attending Charmouth for 9 years and have never been to 2 that are the same, if the Sun shines it is great, if it rains disaster, there has always been someone moaning about something, try running an event yourselves and find out how difficult it is to please everybody, to date there have been 3 disapointed people on the forum, plus another, I know, who left on Sunday well pixxed off with TX control, that leaves a lot of people who had a good weekend
Peter R
04-16-2008 07:47 AM
 
 
Antsis
Senior Heliman
Location: Kent, United Kingdom

I normally attend just the April fly-in and in the past have only managed a few flights over the two days, which makes the 400 mile round trip rather worthless. This has been due to a combination of the weather and, more importantly, the amount of 3D flying. I have tried 3D and not found it to my liking as I prefer scale and FAI. It's very intimidating having a 50/90 size model doing 3D next to you while you're flying a model that you've just spent months preparing. I was very pleased to see the AHA set aside a separate flying area for sport/scale pilots. This did not deter some 3D guys encroaching, but it allowed me to get more flights in comfortably.

With the number of transmitters booked in (approx 80), it's extremely difficult to police time limits. The number of transmitters allowed out was restricted to keep in line with the BMFA insurance directive. Quite often I saw guys from Tx control go in search of overdue radios. I was just as frustrated as others to see one or two pilots flying, but if a radio is booked out and in its 25 minute limit, the pilot can do what he wants in that time.
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orginisers, for letting out transmitters to pilots who just want to set up their machines ( they should do it before they come to the event)

Agreed, but the can be exceptions. On Saturday afternoon, I wanted to fly my predator 90. I waited in the queue, collected my transmitter and proceeded to start the model. I never got to the flight line. We thought the hex adaptor had come loose on the starter shaft, but it was the one-way bearing in the clutch that had failed. So, I spent my entire 25 minutes trying to get the model going, failed and booked the tx back in. I was within my limit, but just didn't get to fly. My pred spent the rest of the weekend in the van. The week prior to the trip, I checked all my heli's over and ran each one up. They all started with no problems. The bearing just died at the wrong time.

Ant
04-16-2008 10:58 AM
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PETER ROB
Key Veteran
Location: Devon UK

Antsis, I know problems do arise on the day,unfortunate for you,
some transmitters come with a lead, that does not reqire the module, in the TX, in this case the orginisers will allow the TX out but hold the module this can free up TX slots, for those wishing to fly
You are correct, the large area at the top of the field is ideal for scale and non 3D flying, setting up, hope you make it next year
Peter R
04-16-2008 11:11 AM
 
 
chopper jockey
Senior Heliman
Location: uk

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The number of transmitters allowed out was restricted to keep in line with the BMFA insurance directive.

Antsis,
I have never heard of this "insurance directive", would you kindly explain this please.
04-16-2008 01:07 PM
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coolice
Key Veteran
Location: Northamptonshire, England

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Coolice, Newlands is a Holiday Camp catering for a lot of people not flyers, just ordinary families with children, if you think it is safe for pilots to go out and do full 3D schedules, with NO control, in an area which is next to a childrens play area and a dog walking area, you really need to think again

Hey Peter,

I think you may be thinking more into this than is required, as in no way have I specifically said the Newlands site was necassarily a safe flying area.
However to provide some kind of proof of my understanding of the safe operation & understanding of RC models, I've probably been in this hobby as long or longer than yourself and so take both my own & my fellow fliers safety very seriously so please do not doubt my intellegence.

When it comes to Charmouth I have been flying outside on the grassed area for the past few years, in reaility since the advent of small electric models. We have even flown indoors on the dance floor with Fixed Pitch models much to the amusement of the spectators.
I am not alone in this activity and as does everyone else I have a high respect for the safety of not only myself but of people around me.

When flying in this area (or out on the cliff) everyone is well aware of what is going on around them and as soon as walkers or such like approach we make sure we keep well away from them, this applies to my other fellow RC fliers beside me to for everyones safety.

As you say there is no flying control and hence this is why some have bent the rules with flying 600 class electric machines in the confines of the caravan park. The latter is obviously very silly and even I got put off stadnign around outside while this was going on last year.
When it came to policing we are all adults and can monitor our flying and watch out for one another, as in any normal club atmosphere.

As to safety, I know you can turn around and say "it could happen" but no one has been hit at the caravan park by a model helicopter. Maybe it was luck or maybe it was the fact that the fliers know when to be more careful.

As a seperate thing altogether a lot of visitors to Newlands actually like to watch the limited model flying taking place in the evenings. Ok it's not to everyones taste but some like to see what it's all about.

Bottom line is it perhaps should never have been started, but it was and was enjoyed by a great many people myself included.
Some say why fly in the evening as well as in the day but why not at a dedicated heli weekend. Live, breath, sleep heli's

As to the number of models up at the designated flying field, the BMFA only insure 10 models up in the air at any one time and so the AHA have to abide by this ruling.

Personally I dont see it as much as a problem as has already been mentioned it can get rather crowded out there as it is anyway.
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Ian Contessa
UK Century Sponsored Flier
Why Go For The Spare, When You Can Go For The CENTURY!
04-16-2008 02:58 PM
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Antsis
Senior Heliman
Location: Kent, United Kingdom

Quote 
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The number of transmitters allowed out was restricted to keep in line with the BMFA insurance directive.

Antsis,
I have never heard of this "insurance directive", would you kindly explain this please.

Chopper Jockey

I used the term directive very loosely to indicate why the AHA had limited the number of models to 10 at any time. (As pointed out by Coolice). It was not meant to say there is an actual BMFA ruling to this effect, so I apologise for the confusion.

The thing is, if there are only two pilots on the flightline, but 10 transmitters have been booked out, then it had to be assumed there could be 10 models in the air within the allotted time.

Ant
04-16-2008 04:25 PM
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PETER ROB
Key Veteran
Location: Devon UK

Ian, You have thrown lots of things into the discussion that have no bearing on what happened,
When you retire at 65, you would have caught me up
I like many others have enjoyed the small indoor heli's especially when it has been a washout, in fact over the whole weekend there were very small helis flying upstairs,and electric Zaggies outside the lounge area, did not bother anybody, great fun
If I remember it correctly the owner of Newlands is a model flyer himself, so would not have banned the outside flyers without good reason
some have bent the rules with flying 600 class electric machines in the confines of the caravan park. , your words, and possibly the reason why all the outside flying has been banned, plus of course, the complaints from holiday makers about the noise
Peter R
04-16-2008 04:41 PM
 
 
Antsis
Senior Heliman
Location: Kent, United Kingdom

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some have bent the rules with flying 600 class electric machines in the confines of the caravan park.

From what I can remember, this ruling came in at the April 2007 meeting. There were a few people (who shall remain nameless) doing 3D with Trex 600 electrics. I heard them, but did not see them. However, someone obviously complained to the management and they were banned. The smaller models (450 and below) were still allowed as well as the indoor flying.

When I arrived Friday evening, I saw 3 wings together and they were going over the main entrance. Possibly the reason for the full ban.

Ant
04-16-2008 05:48 PM
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coolice
Key Veteran
Location: Northamptonshire, England

Hey Peter,

I dont see why you can say my posting is of no real relevance but thats your perspective, you questioned me on safety and I explained myself.
From my side I feel you were accusing me of not being safety aware in light of the surrounds, something I most certainly am conscience of.

Newlands Camp site is not the most ideal place to fly, but in the past X amount of years since the advent of mini electric models it has proved to be quite adequate. Safety is probably not best catered for, but as it had not been a problem before many, myself included took the oppotunity to fly, eat, drink and fly some more.

We can keep bouncing things backwards & forwards but I was one of the many who quite enjoyed the way we could return to the camp site and carry on flying the smaller models.

Next time something more safe and secure is going to be put in place I think to allows us fliers the option to fly back at the site. Time will tell.

Hey Ant,

It was not just the flying of the wings alone which caused the issue, but was a point mentioned in the decision to stop all site flying.
I'm not going to tell you how I know but trust me I do, however they were not told to stop flying and if they had of been they would have!
Other wings/jets were there on the Saturday afternoon and evening which added to the black list so to speak.

The final nail in the coffin was the larger electric models, all added together with the fact that insurance was an issue and the decision was made to halt all flying.
The wings are noisy with fast spinning motors and the larger heli's are just meaner and imposing.

In any case the best decision was made to maintain the stability and continued use of the site as one of THE best heli events in the UK, which marks the beginning and end of the season.

Roll on next April when I go again, to risky to go October with the weather Although last years one was one of the best weekends in the UK, typical when you dont go
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Ian Contessa
UK Century Sponsored Flier
Why Go For The Spare, When You Can Go For The CENTURY!
04-16-2008 06:44 PM
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red3
Heliman
Location: herts uk

 1st may i thank the A.H.A for a great weekend well done and thank you

2nd i had a chat with a member of the A.H.A on sunday re the flying at newlands he told me that the owner of newlands had contacted him as he had a complant from one of his guests re the flying. as the A.H.A could not police newlands (why should they)it was sadly agreed to ban all flying on site. i was at newlands in april 07 when a warning was given to all about the flying if larg models on site as a 600 size model had been doing full 3d by the club house !! on friday this year a 500 size model was being flown on the field next to the childrens play area A BIG NO NO !! on the friday night some ducted fan plains where flown along with some wings. it would seem on saturday a 600size model was flown by the club house agian a NO NO. anybody that goes to newlands knows that
the grass area by the club hose has been used to fly 400 & 450 size models for some time with look outs the same as it would be at a club with a foot path near by. and much the same as it is on the cliffs at the back of newlands where we slope sore. i am not saying this makes it right but we all wnat to be safe and have fun. we have even had guests come over to look at the flying saying what a great hobbie you have and it is good to watch.
but sadly it is no more!!

long live the charmouth flyin

Evo 50 Ys50st Swift 16 Dragonus Elite
04-16-2008 07:53 PM
 
 
Flapping Blade
Heliman
Location: Notts UK

Numpties

Unfortunately, the numpties flying large electric helis in the front of the site and large&noisy Deltas / Zagis over the campsite have ruined it for the rest of us.

There is also a very fine line being walked on the cliff with public and powerful helis in the same space.

Come on guys, keep them small and innocuous so there won't also be a ban in the village and before someone is hurt.


There can only be one 'official' response to Numpties taking the piss with these models; and the numpties have forced the organisers hand

nnmfc.org.uk
04-16-2008 10:16 PM
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red3
Heliman
Location: herts uk

my feeling is we will never know what put the final nail in the coffin
but my gut feeling its the 500 & 600 size models in full 3d. ?? put it this way it put me of flying there. i flew my dragonus there friday and then didnt fly on site for the rest of the weekend it put me off!! i dont think the plank flyers where the main problem.

Evo 50 Ys50st Swift 16 Dragonus Elite
04-17-2008 11:06 AM
 
 
coolice
Key Veteran
Location: Northamptonshire, England

Hey,

Personally I dont think that the flying of the wings, zagi's and larger electric heli's on their own caused the ban, from conversations it was the points raised by actually flying at the site in the first place.

Ok, there were complaints but then the noisy models could have been banned alone and not entire flying on the site which was the case.

In essence what took place this year, which is the same activity which has taken place for the past few years, just got looked into further with regards to insurance. Because of the grey area raised about insurance worries the decision to ban flying on the site was reached, plain and simple.

There's no point blaming any one particular group as anyone who has ever flown on the Charmouth site at one point or another is in with that group to some degree anyway, myself included and so we just have to accept the changes from now on.

As mentioned there may be something worked out to keep some sort of safe, controlled flying on the site but we shall see.
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Ian Contessa
UK Century Sponsored Flier
Why Go For The Spare, When You Can Go For The CENTURY!
04-17-2008 11:23 AM
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chopper jockey
Senior Heliman
Location: uk

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Because of the grey area raised about insurance worries the decision to ban flying on the site was reached, plain and simple.


Insurance.
Just to clarify, all BMFA members are unconditionally insured where ever they fly in the UK. That includes even if they have or have not permission to fly by the land owner.
04-17-2008 12:37 PM
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