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Radio - Futaba FASST > Futaba 12FG.. model match??

payne1967
Veteran
Location: warwick uk

if you do a proper pre-flight check you don't need model match anyway
it's just the lazy nature of 2.4GHz users that we are getting now with very little regard to safety

04-09-2008 01:21 AM

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ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

I had originally stated the same thing, but there is some merit to the idea.

I found that while some may say it's getting safer to use 72mhz due to lower usage...I say it's getting worse.

2.4 radios are laying around the pits these days, out of impound or any kind of control. While I'm not for impounding 2.4 radios, I have noticed a complacent attitude towards radios become common due in part to their convenience. Case in point: fellow at my field that often helps others turned on the newbie's 9CHP without thinking that it was on 72mhz. He quickly realized the error, and immediately turn the radio back off. He asked the owner if he had the freq pin out, and the response was NO. Granted, the 9CHP should have been in the impound, but nonetheless it wasn't. Newbies do such things.

This example shows that even the most experienced modellers are prone to falling into the "turn it on and go" syndrome that 2.4 radios afford. With all the 2.4 radios laying around, it's all too easy to grab a 72 radio and turn on without a second thought.

04-09-2008 01:34 AM

Wyn
Senior Heliman
Location: Oregon, USA

Just tried it leaving the RX on, it still operates with the wrong model memory. It does turn off the RF when you switch programs, then asks for confirmation to turn the RF on. When the RF turns on, control is back (but its the program for another heli).

Wyn
VoltMagic

04-09-2008 01:39 AM

ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

Yeah, but that's not a real world test.

When you walk up to your model, the RX is off (hopefully). You turn on the TX in a hurry, which has your other model selected. You then turn on the new model...what happens?

04-09-2008 01:42 AM

Wyn
Senior Heliman
Location: Oregon, USA

Eric, I think you misunderstood. It didn't have a "model matching" type of functionality in either of the scenarios I tested. Your typical real world scenario is the first one I did in an earlier post. Just trying to replicate what nofear had seen. Anyone else testing?

Wyn
VoltMagic

04-09-2008 01:45 AM

Wyn
Senior Heliman
Location: Oregon, USA

Payne196 wrote:

Quote
if you do a proper pre-flight check you don't need model match anyway it's just the lazy nature of 2.4GHz users that we are getting now with very little regard to safety

I shared my mistake earlier in this thread, which was long before 2.4ghz. Doubt that most who know me would say I'm lazy when it comes to safety or pre-flight checks, but everybody makes mistakes. Especially when we get ourselves in a hurry.

Ever had a "hot start"? Are the arming sequences for ESC's there because all e-flyers are too lazy to do a pre-flight? If lazy is the right word, we're all a bit lazy sometimes. Part of being human I guess.

So if a little technology can help out without taking any fun away, I'm all for it. It's not a must have feature for me, but I have to give credit where credit is due, it's a good idea.

Wyn
VoltMagic

04-09-2008 03:06 AM

nofear
Senior Heliman
Location: Chicago, IL

Quote
Try turning off the RX and then selecting the wrong model in the TX, then turn on the RX.

That is essentially what I did.
-Had the TX on with one model, RX of that model on and connected.
-Switched on another model, not selected on the TX and the RX of the unselected model did not connect.
-Changed the selected model on my TX from the current connected model to the previously unselected model at which time the now selected model connects and the now unselected models RX starts flashing red and is no longer getting inputs from the TX.

I'll see if I can take some pics or a short movie clip of it this coming weekend.

04-09-2008 03:23 PM

tgo
Senior Heliman
Location: HK

Hi nofear,

Are you compare 2 x 6014 or 2 x 607 ? Since 6014 is working in FASST Multi mode and 607 is just FASST 7CH model, if you are switching from one model with Multi model to another model with 7CH model, they will not bind and looks like you have a model match fucntion.

I will get 2 x 608 tomorrow and test the post the result here.

04-10-2008 04:19 PM

nofear
Senior Heliman
Location: Chicago, IL

I tried between 2 607's.

04-10-2008 04:34 PM

bbaxter
Heliman
Location: Central Illinois

No "Model Match"

Futaba FASST receiver are linked to a transmitter and not any model memory in the transmitter. We've run tests with Model #1 in the transmitter linked with Receiver #1, and then had Model #2 in the transmitter linked with Receiver #2. Both receivers were the same transmission mode.

We'd have both receivers on and just change models in the transmitter. Both receivers would work at the same time regardless of which model was selected.

We'd not know how "nofear's" tests were performed or how he got those results.

04-10-2008 05:15 PM

tgo
Senior Heliman
Location: HK

I just tested with my one and only one 6014 receiver. It works with all models memory in the TX !

04-11-2008 03:42 AM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

Spektrum/JR = +1
Futaba FASST = 0

04-11-2008 05:22 PM

tkilwein
Heliman
Location: boulder co

I second Bax, I have several 6014's.

04-11-2008 09:49 PM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

Based on the my understanding, there's no way Futaba could implement "Model Match". Aside from Spektrum patenting "Model Match" which I believe they are working on (not sure of the status of the patent).

Again, based on my understand of the way FASST works, the RX knows the ID of the TX, but the TX has no idea what RX it's talking to. With "Model Match" on JR/Spektrum, the TX knows the unique ID of the RX it's talking to so there must be some bi-directional communication taking place. I'm not sure FASST supports any kind of bi-directional communication. Thus, it's highly unlikely that FASST will ever support any kind of "Model Match" feature. Of course, I could be completely wrong....

04-11-2008 10:03 PM

Wyn
Senior Heliman
Location: Oregon, USA

I think all it would take is appending the model memory number to the unique TX number, the storing both in the RX during the linking (binding).

Wyn
VoltMagic

04-11-2008 10:14 PM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

Good point, although with that design you could still bind multiple RXs (models) to the same TX/memory location. Doesn't the JR/Spktrum implementation prevent this from happening (i.e., any given RX can only be bound to one model memory in a TX)?

04-11-2008 10:57 PM

tgo
Senior Heliman
Location: HK

Just got my 3 x 608 receiver yesterday, all tested...

I bind each 608 receiver to a separate model memory. Finally, I switch all on the 608 receivers + the 6014 receiver, all receivers' LED all go green, I can controll all 4 receivers at once.....

There is no MODEL MATCHING there......

04-12-2008 04:21 AM

MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

My guess is the mixup is because what I experienced yesterday.

Start the radio with wrong model, start the model and I did _NOT_ get a green light, but if I cycled the power on the radio I got the green light (with the wrong model)

dont know why, but thats probably how it get the apperance of model-match.

Question though, why does it behaive like that?

04-12-2008 05:23 PM

flyboy0413
Senior Heliman
Location: CT, USA

According the the early Spektrum ads, the model match functionality is patented. If futaba wants to incorporate it into their radios, they would have to license the patent from Spektrum. If they don't license it and decide to incorporate it into their radios, they risk a lawsuit from Spektrum.

04-12-2008 05:35 PM

nofear
Senior Heliman
Location: Chicago, IL

I spoke too soon.

Well lads, I feel a tad like a fool right now.

Turns out that when I was testing my 2 helis I was actually testing between a 6014 and a 607. I completely forgot that I replaced
the 607 in my trex with a 6014.

So infact my tests were correct from the point of view that multi does not work with the 7 channel RX. (But this we already knew)

My apologies to you guys if I sent you on a wild goose chase trying to find the golden "futaba" egg.

NF.

04-14-2008 03:12 PM

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