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Off Topics > Who wants to double there gas mileage? check this out.
 
 
22megatons
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

I don't know if this is true or now,but I figured it would get scrutiny enough here.

http://water4gas.fyiurl.com/



http://www.auto-facts.org/water4gas-scam.html
03-27-2008 01:40 PM
 
 
Topher
Veteran
Location: Grosse Ile, Michigan

This is not a new idea, people have been doing it for years. It is real, however if you do this to an engine that has not been designed for it(every OEM engine) you will destroy it. Another disclamer, your not actually saving your self any money here your actually spending more. The money you spend on the energy to produce the hydrogen is actually going to cost more than the gasoline your saving. The only cost competitive vehicle your going to be able to drive right now is an electrically convereted car that is powered off of a windmill in your back yard.

Get a life? How the hell do you fly a life?
03-27-2008 02:46 PM
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Furious Predator
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

the goal is to increase milage and reduce emmisions, not save money.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
03-27-2008 03:01 PM
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GyroFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

This looks better than those stupid fuel magnets. At any rate I always understood it takes more power to convert water to HHO than you get back, any conversion has some losses. So how can this increase gas mileage ??

Support bacteria. They're the only culture some people have. !
03-27-2008 03:28 PM
 
 
AirWolfRC
Elite Veteran
Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

It may be possible that it is more efficient.
The question is one of conversion efficiency compared to the combustion efficiency of gasoline (which is rather low).
03-27-2008 04:03 PM
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spaceman spiff
Key Veteran
Location: Tucson

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At any rate I always understood it takes more power to convert water to HHO than you get back, any conversion has some losses. So how can this increase gas mileage ??

When the water gets sucked into the engine cylinders, there is a chemical reaction that will vastly reduce fuel consumption.

This chemical process is often refered to as rust.

The scientifical community (under close supervision of Spork) is studying this.
03-27-2008 04:17 PM
 
 
Furious Predator
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

another good one is an infomercial ad i saw on tv.

they sell for you the low price of 19.95! a piece of tin foil that you stick into your air intake. its supposed to cause some sort of vortex that makes the air all of a sudden go faster through the intake

never mind about the fact that the air would really need to be spinning before it even enters the intake, and that this little device would actually create more air flow resistance then anything. then wait will a piece of it breaks off and goes into your carb/motor.

you would be better off just putting in a better air filter, or just a clean one.

i increased my milage last spring by simply doing a little tunup. plugs, wires, air filter, oil change, tranny fluid change, and a gas additive to help clean everything up for a bit.

just doing that, i ended up with about a 10% increase in fuel economy, i could do another 10-20% if i were to take it easy on the gas pedal.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
03-27-2008 04:23 PM
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Furious Predator
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

with this HHO thing, wouldn't you end up getting water in your oil?

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
03-27-2008 04:24 PM
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Topher
Veteran
Location: Grosse Ile, Michigan

Your not putting water as in "H2O" into your engine your putting "HHO" into your engine. While it does have the same chemical composition it also has a higher level of energy and will be combusted by the engine and can be used to produce power. Torches can use the stuff for cutting metal. But like I stated above, doing this has no advantage over just running gasoline in your car. If anything it might increase your NOx emissions.

Get a life? How the hell do you fly a life?
03-27-2008 05:40 PM
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Furious Predator
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

but in the combustion process, does it not turn into water? i know it goes into the engine in the form of a gas.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
03-27-2008 06:00 PM
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Topher
Veteran
Location: Grosse Ile, Michigan

yep it turns into water, most of it anyway.

Get a life? How the hell do you fly a life?
03-27-2008 06:59 PM
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rander1
Heliman
Location: Dallastown, PA

Isnt HHO the same as H20? How could it be any different? Water has three states, liquid, gas and solid.

Tic Toc Tic Toc
03-27-2008 08:11 PM
 
 
Old Sloppy
Heliman
Location: Atlanta, Georgia USA

HHO is a gas.

H2O is a liquid.

ICE is a solid

Harry

Trex 600e CF,Futaba 7CH 2.4 ghz, Air Thunder , X-Cell optical tachometer
03-27-2008 08:48 PM
 
 
2LTime
Veteran
Location: Walworth,NY

H2O is water, either as a gas, liquid, or solid. HHO is the people selling this craps retarded name for the Hydrogen gas and Oxygen gas that is produced from electrolysis in their "invention". It would be similar to them selling you something they called Dihydrogen Monoxide(H20) to increase your mileage. They're counting on you being confused.

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but in the combustion process, does it not turn into water? i know it goes into the engine in the form of a gas.

No! in high school my science teacher tried to show us this. He filled a balloon 1/3rd with hydrogen gas and the rest with Oxygen gas. Good thing I was in this class first thing in the morning, he only got to light one up. When the flame hit it, it blew most of the ceiling tiles out. It did not turn into a water balloon.

Jeff

If you can't learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly.
03-28-2008 01:56 AM
 
 
Topher
Veteran
Location: Grosse Ile, Michigan

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No!

Then whats it turn into? I'm pretty sure the reaction is:

2H + O -> H2O + Heat

The reason you didn't see a "water" balloon is because it formed water vapor. On another note, just because you have water in your engine doesnt mean its going to rust. Anytime you combust or oxidize ANY hydrocarbon one of your products is H20, yes including gasoline and diesel.

Get a life? How the hell do you fly a life?
03-28-2008 02:40 AM
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2LTime
Veteran
Location: Walworth,NY

Topher, your right. I googled it. Wow, and all these years I thought that teacher was such an idiot.

Jeff

If you can't learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly.
03-28-2008 02:56 AM
 
 
rcadd1ct
Elite Veteran
Location: Richardson, Texas

Go to a gas station.

Buy a gallon of gas and a gallon of bottled water.

Which one costs more?

If water is everywhere and free why can't I water my lawn on certain days?

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!
03-28-2008 03:54 AM
 
 
helibandit
Senior Heliman
Location: Jacksonville, North Carolina - United States

the myth busters tried this thing and it didnt work.. they also tried other methods and i think only one worked but it was barely measurable.n some of the crap they tried got them worse gas mileage i think the magnet thing was one of them. and i know we arent talking about mileage but it just plain didnt work.. i supposed they couldve dun it wrong but some one wouldve said somethin by now.

The only time you can have too much fuel is when your on fire
03-28-2008 04:15 AM
 
 
VW1975
New Heliman
Location: Kitchener, Ontario - Canada

HHO huh

Well I see alot of you saying this and that but have any of you actually made one and tried it? I have a 99' VW Jetta and I have one installed. I used a PWM to keep the amps from snowballing, run simply tap water as the city of kitchener puts enough electrolites in the water that I don't need to add any and with a few trial and errors I have a working model that I use. I am currently looking for anyone else that may have built one.
06-30-2008 02:00 AM
 
 
#55
Senior Heliman
Location: hmmmm....

couple of guys on post have made their own and installed them.....


and yes we ALL saw the Mythbusters episode-----

however they are all having sucsess....I will be installing mine soon.


most guys have increased the MPG by about 4....not much- but they DO work

flying 60's in the Hood
06-30-2008 02:14 AM
 
 
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