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Off Topics > Cancer Info -- Bogus or Bonafide?
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

A quick search at Snopes reveals that Johns Hopkins University Hospital had nothing whatsoever to do with this widely-circulated email, despite its original title claiming to be authored by them. Some of you probably got a copy too.

My question is -- are there any oncologists or others here who can either support or refute any of the individual claims made in this otherwise bogus email? Some of it seems to make sense, bogus origin or not.

Thanks.
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Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins [not]

1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size.

2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime.

3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors.

4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors.

5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.

9 When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.

11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply. Cancer cells feed on:

a. Sugar. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells. Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc are made with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in color. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.

b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soya milk cancer cells are being starved.

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains,seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts)and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.


12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines becomes pucrified and leads to more toxic buildup.

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger, unforgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.

IN ADDITION

1. No water bottles in freezer.

2. No plastic containers in microwave.

3. No plastic wrap in microwave.

Dioxin chemicals causes cancer, especially breast cancer.

Dioxins are highly poisonous to the cells of our bodies. Don't freeze your plastic bottles with water in them as this releases dioxins from the plastic.

Recently, Dr. Edward Fujimoto, Wellness Program Manager at Castle Hospital , was on a TV program to explain this health hazard. He talked about dioxins and how bad they are for us. He said that we should not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers.

This especially applies to foods that contain fat. He said that the combination of fat, high heat, and plastics releases dioxin into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body. Instead, he recommends using glass, such as Corning Ware, Pyrex or ceramic containers for heating food. You get the same results, only without the dioxin. So such things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc., should be removed from the container and heated in something else.

Paper isn't bad but you don't know what is in the paper. It's just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc. He reminded us that a while ago some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the foam containers to paper. The dioxin problem is one of the reasons.

Also, he pointed out that plastic wrap such as Saran is just as dangerous when placed over foods to be cooked in the microwave. As the food is nuked, the high heat causes poisonous toxins to actually melt out of the plastic wrap and drip into the food. Cover food with a paper towel instead.
03-20-2008 04:25 AM
 
 
Inspector Fuzz
Veteran
Location: My own private Idaho.

I know for sure that you often have cancer cells in your body. When you see someone with advanced HIV/AIDS and you see those red/blue splotches all over them, those are (I think) called Carposi's carcoma. I could be wrong on the name, but what they are is a very common skin cancer that we all get, in very small amounts, from time to time. Our immune system normally takes care of it, but the blown out immune system of an AIDS victim can't do it.
I have also heard the thing about the table sugar being bad for cancer too.
JEFF

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03-20-2008 05:03 AM
 
 
dick smith
Senior Heliman
Location: perth

well, im gonna have a smoke and think about it...........
03-20-2008 02:31 PM
 
 
jrvander
Senior Heliman
Location: Mystic, CT

Gimbal,
Yes and no, but mostly no. The author starts off with a few truths, then slides into controversy, then into outright crazy BS. Some of the claims are as accurate as, "The Earth is round, basketballs are round. Therefore, everyone on Earth plays basketball." There are way too many half-truths in there to fully explain on RR. Taken as a whole, this sort of stuff is what early morning advertising is made of to get people to buy Enzyte, the latest diet or exercise scheme or even cancer prevention suppliments - go figure.

- Jon

Jerry wins!
03-20-2008 03:00 PM
 
 
CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

What he said. Basically a total load of crap.

Do you best to exercise, eat right, and you Still might get cancer. Tough world.

Best thing to do, get check-ups once or twice a year, remember, the earlier its found, the more likelyness it can be beaten and cured.

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03-20-2008 03:50 PM
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

So if i eat Dannon Danactive yogart i'll be OK.
03-20-2008 04:00 PM
 
 
wlfk
Veteran
Location: uk

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1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size.

2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime.

Cell mutation happens all the time. Most mutations get mopped up pretty quickly by the immune system. Often you need several mutations before a cell actually becomes dangerous. It's sort-of-true, but misleading.

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3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors.

The converse is certainly true - people with HIV or who are on immunosuppression for organ transplants, are at increased risk of getting CA.

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4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors.

False - poor nutrition can increase the risk of some cancers, but people with good nutrition can still get CA.

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5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

Debatable... People on poor diets could probably benefit. But for most people it probably won't make a big difference.

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6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.

True. Put bluntly, the hope is that the cancer cells die before the patient. Oncology is all about optimising treatment to minimise the ill effects on the patient. Everything has a + and a -. If you break your leg you will get an X-ray which involves a reasonable dose of radiation - but would you rather hobble about the rest of your life?

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8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.

False - Some cancers can be completely cured through chemotherapy and radiotherapy. But sometimes the object of chemo/radiotherapy is to reduce the size of the tumours and increase lifespan or comfort, rather than to 'cure'.

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9 When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.

Treatment of cancer is largely about balancing all these different factors. For cancers of the immune system, sometimes you actually have to destroy the patient's immune system then replace it.

Radiation will presumably make cancer cells mutate faster - and this may make them more difficult to destroy. But the hope is that the radiation will also kill many of them. All of the statements above are true, but the dose of radiation should be judged so that the benefits outweigh the risks.

If you take chemotherapy to kill testicular cancer, there's a slightly increased risk of getting colon cancer. If chemotherapy had never been invented, the patients wouldn't have lived long enough for us to find this out.

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11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply. Cancer cells feed on:

Quote 
a. Sugar. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells. Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc are made with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in color. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.

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b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soya milk cancer cells are being starved.

Doubtful.

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c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork.

Vegetarians pee is more alkaline. I have no idea whether cancer cells like acid, but as far as I'm aware there is no difference in the normal range for blood ph for vegetarians/carnivores. We regulate our blood ph, in part by peeing extra alkali out.

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Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.

Parasites! Don't you people cook your food?

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d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains,seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts)and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

Enzymes are proteins and almost all of them are digested in our guts.

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e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

Generally doubtful. The amount of acidity in distilled h2o should be very quickly neutralised. If I get CA and want to eat chocolate, then I will.

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12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines becomes pucrified and leads to more toxic buildup.


Meat protein is easy to digest. Apparently opening your bowels regularly reduces the incidence of bowel cancer, because concentrated stool does include many toxins. Diet is important in predicting bowel cancer and people who eat too much meat are at increased risk. My understanding was that this was thought to be due to carcinogens generated during the cooking process.

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13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

Doubtful.

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14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.

Some trials of vitamin E actually suggested it increased the number of cancers.

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15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger, unforgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

Not all bad advice, but to some extent this puts the responsibility and blame on the person with cancer. Nice people get cancer too, and 'fighters' often succumb.

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16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.

Cancer cells need oxygen, just like any others. In fact, many cancers cause blood vessels to grow, in order to bring them the O2 they need. Medicine is often complicated and counterintuitive, but taking antioxidants and breathing in pure O2 at the same time, seems counterintuitive.

Exercise is good though - and fat/obese people are considerably more likely to get several types of cancer.

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IN ADDITION

1. No water bottles in freezer.

2. No plastic containers in microwave.

3. No plastic wrap in microwave.

Dioxin chemicals causes cancer, especially breast cancer.

Dioxins are highly poisonous to the cells of our bodies. Don't freeze your plastic bottles with water in them as this releases dioxins from the plastic.

I don't know a lot about these.

A lot of the above is true or half true. Where it goes wrong is in emphasis. If you eat and live healthily then there is considerable evidence that you reduce - but don't eliminate - your chances of getting cancer. If you already have cancer, then your best chances lie with conventional medical treatment. I can understand that people want to 'try anything' and will look elsewhere - and who knows, maybe there are things that obscure herbs can cure that Western medicine cannot.

On the other hand, I had a patient the other day who had been given an infusion of vitamins that theoretically should have been harmless (and ineffectual), but nearly killed him. Firstly his family was bankrupting itsself to pay for this treatment. Secondly, he could have got an equivalent benefit from eating a few oranges. Thirdly, he was dying and should have been spending his last few months enjoying them as best he could, not connected to a drip at home, then spending a few days in hospital when it all went wrong. The whole thing made me quite angry.

K

A bit like a kite, but 500 times more expensive
03-20-2008 04:01 PM
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

Thanks for the detailed reply, wlfk. Someone near and dear has recently been diagnosed. I'm sucking up info wherever I can find it to ease the days ahead.
03-20-2008 08:39 PM
 
 
wlfk
Veteran
Location: uk

I'm sorry to hear that.

My best wishes to you both,

K

A bit like a kite, but 500 times more expensive
03-20-2008 08:50 PM
 
 
CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Gimbal,
First, I am NO expert, I am just a first year nursing student, I was an EMT for a couple of years and have many friends in the medical community, and I have a very good friend who's wife has been battling cancer for several years.
Here are just a few tips that I have learned over the years,

More then one Dr.'s opinion is recommended when dealing with any kind of serious illness. Try and find a specialist that only deals in that field of study.

Stay away from the "witch doctors" quick cure specialists out there.

Keep the hopes and attitudes upbeat, don't let them fall into feeling sorry for themselves and getting deppressed. There will be ups and downs, just try to have more "ups", This is very important!

Don't dwell on the pain of fighting it, instead dwell on what things and good times your get to have and do when its all over and beaten.

Stick to the diet! Yes, part of what was said above is true, Cancer cells like an acidic environment, but our body's normal ph needs to be around "7" so it cant be neutral, the body has to have some to survive. The crap above needs to be ignored, if a story sounds to good to be true, then it probably is.

There are very good support groups out there, use them.

Best wishes to you both, hang in there!

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03-20-2008 11:39 PM
 
 
jcrack_corn
Senior Heliman
Location: Lafayette, LA

i am an expert and all of the above is false. that snopes stuff is just an internet email/urban legend.

Dioxins, lol.

Sorry for your news, but "cancer" is a confusing word to even doctors because there are so many types of "cancer." Your question is way too broad. If you want to research online, research exactly what their diagnosis is to learn more, use reputable medical search sites (most are free now).

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03-21-2008 03:51 AM
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

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i am an expert
An expert wouldn't state what you state below . . .
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and all of the above is false.
. . . because SOME of what's above is true.

But thanks anyway.

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03-21-2008 05:27 AM
 
 
jcrack_corn
Senior Heliman
Location: Lafayette, LA

NO. you are wrong, I was really trying to be helful.

A quick re-read does prove that #6 is correct. Everything else in your original post is either dead wrong, or doesnt make any sense to the point that it is not applicable.

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03-21-2008 08:04 PM
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

Someone wonderful and kind -- a mother of 4 and the wife of a very fortunate man -- passed away yesterday. She'll be missed by everyone who knew her.

I can imagine that medical science will eventually advance to the point where refined internal imaging, combined with more thorough DNA, tissue and fluid testing, will allow skilled MDs to determine far sooner what will afflict us.

I imagine also that medical research will find ways to use this more-complete physiological data to tailor effective nutritional and pharmacological regimens through which the frequency and horror of death by cancer are reduced.

I wonder when that'll be.
05-05-2008 02:32 AM
 
 
CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Sorry for your loss buddy

Anyone want a pet rabbit?.............I found him on the road dead and I'm tired of hugging him
05-05-2008 03:18 AM
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

Thanks.
05-05-2008 03:22 AM
 
 
wlfk
Veteran
Location: uk

I'm very sorry to hear that. My deepest sympathies.

K

A bit like a kite, but 500 times more expensive
05-05-2008 08:22 AM
 
 
GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

Thank you.
05-05-2008 11:25 PM
 
 
emag remrofni
Veteran
Location: Los Angeles California

So basically everything causes cancer. . . Nice

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05-08-2008 02:01 AM
 
 
umdpru
Key Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

Gimbal,

I feel your pain now...

I thought I had escaped the bullet.

My father has survived a very rare form of pancreatic cancer and an agressive form of bladder cancer.

But, my brother passed away this morning from complications stemming form a malignant tumor growing into his spine. He had surgery last week to remove it. They couldn't get it all. He had a heart attack this morning and has now moved on. Apparently, tumors release some sort of chemical into the blood stream that causes tissure and organs in particular to harden. He apparently had blood work done to determine the levels of this chemical in his blood. He and he alone received the results and then told all of us that he was doing good. He called me yesterday from recovery in the hospital while I was on my way into work. He told me he wanted to see me and that he loved me. This coming from a brother that has never once told me he loved me. I promised him I would be coming to the hospital first thing tomorrow morning to see him. I had a surprise for him too. I was going to bring my 10 month old, his newest nephew, in to meet him.

I am broken hearted that he couldn't meet my son, Lucas...

05-09-2008 03:09 PM
 
 
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