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The_Dave
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Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Fair Enough

I hear ya...

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.
02-12-2002 Over year old.
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The_Dave
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Wrong Again

I did not shoot off my mouth, as you put it. I stated fact. And as you have pointed out so did the pilot that was fired. The big difference here is, and try and stay with me on this point, that this is a BBS not an airport security check point. I am talking to buch of modelers not a group of already nervous people getting ready to fly in a plane. If you can not see the difference in my point here then it is of no use for me to continue to try and make it. But I guess it is worth a try....

As far as me stating that I could gain access to an airport in 5 minutes would come as no suprise to any security official. They know it already, they just don't want you to know it.

I have fallen into no ones trap. Airport security is a joke, plain and simple. I have said it, and so have many famous people, on national news no less. It is a fact. Futhermore, all I said was I could gain access. I never indicated how I would gain access, nor did I instruct anyone on how to gain access....I simply stated fact. Besides, being able to gain access to the secured area without proper clearance may be against the law but that is all it it is. Just because someone is in an area where they don't belong does not mean they intend to kill hundreds of poeple. A tresspasser and a murderer are vastly different things. Again an obvious point.

Shamoo, I for one am greatful for the job you guys do every day. I must admit that I am a little embarressed that I did not notice that you are a Fire Fighter. Let me say here and now that you guys are true heros. I can fully support your opinion and now understand why you said what you did. Please accept my apology.

For the rest of you PC pussy's get over yourself. It is the "I have the right to do (feel free to add your desired activity here) and I don't care how it affects anyone else" is going to be the undoing of this great country. Personally, this hiding behind the Constitution crap makes me sick. Yeah, you might think that it is a little harsh to fire a guy for envoking his second amendment right to free speech but I am certian that the writers of the Constitution did not design it to protect the nit wit who does not have the sense to know when something is acceptable to say. Yell fire in a crowded public area and see what happens to you! And I am fairly sure that using the second amendment as a defense will get you no where.

That is all....

Flame suite remains off...

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.
02-12-2002 Over year old.
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autorotate
Heliman
Location: Northern California

Wow! I must say that I have learned much more about life on this board than I have about my YS 61 problem., but ya know what? that's ok! It is interesting to see the concerns and hear the views of not just Americans but folks from all over the world on all kinds of topics.

After reading this post I could not pass it by. I, like a few others on here have chosen the profession of "professional pilot". I'm sitting in my company provided hotel room in Beautiful Spokane Washington writing this.

3 to 4 days a week up to 2 times a day, I submit myself to the security screeners at the cities we serve. It hurts!!! I know that if it hurts for me it must hurt for the traveling public!!! I feel bad that I go to the head of the line, but if I don't we could most likely push back late.

Security is eyewash! Period!!! and it's painful ...and It needs to change.

I don't agree with the rules and regs that flung from the toe of the leg of DOT/FAA when 911 caused It's knee to jerk (get what I'm saying), but I have to be a professional. I have to smile, say hi and go on through the metal detector. Take my hat off, take my shoes off, undo my belt and say "thank you".

The pilots in my profession that choose to make comments, complain to the screeners and refuse to comply hurt them selves, hurt the industry, and hurt our profession.

Point: (I bet you were all wondering when I would get to this)

There is a time and place to complain. Take your frustration out on the keyboard (or pen and paper) and WRITE YOU CONGRESSMAN AND SENATORS. Complain to them, get them off their butts and into action.

I was at 35,000 feet at 0900 September 11, 2001 directly over NYC. We looked out of the cockpit on this uncharacteristic sunny, clear morning and saw: Central Park, Empire State, The Statue of Liberty and The Twin Towers. Not more than 30 min passed when Air Traffic control told us with a choked up voice, "Guys... We are getting word down from NY Center (New York air traffic control) two jets just crashed into the world trade center... long pause carrier only.... I'd make sure those doors behind you are locked!

Nuff Said

Cheers
Bert Garrison
02-12-2002 Over year old.
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Dragon2115
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Location: New England

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"I did not shoot off my mouth, as you put it. I stated fact."


Sure Dave, just like the pilot did. You got angry and made a statement, that taken out of context just like that pilots' was, could be construed as a threat. I really don't care if you like it or not, you did exactly as he did.

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"As far as me stating that I could gain access to an airport in 5 minutes would come as no suprise to any security official. They know it already, they just don't want you to know it."


Which you just did on a public forum that can be read by anybody in the world that happens across it.

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"Futhermore, all I said was I could gain access. I never indicated how I would gain access, nor did I instruct anyone on how to gain access....I simply stated fact."


And neither did that pilot. He never threatened to crash the plane. If a state of frustration he merely stated the feact that it was illogical to take away things like nail clippers because as the pilot he didn't need a weapon to crash a plane. And you damn right well know he's right! So what it basically comes down to is that once that airplane is in the air it doesn't matter if the pilot is wearing nothing but his underwear and an oxygen mask or if he's better armed than Rambo. He already has the lives of everyone on board in his hands.

You asked before if I'd have a problem flying with this person as my pilot. I wouldn't have any problem at all with him at the controls. He's obviously capable of using logic and reason and isn't afraid to point out the stupidity and waste of valuable reasources that could be put to better more effective use elsewhere. Unfortunately that cost him his job at the hands of the zero tollerance thought police. Heaven forbid ANYONE ever express frustration and point out the blatantly obvious flaws in the system in an off color inappropriate comment. Hell, we're gonna have to lock up every stand-up comic before we know it.

And one more thing Dave since you've ruffled my feathers a bit,

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"Personally, this hiding behind the Constitution crap makes me sick."


I think you better sit down and actually read the Constitution before you say someone is hiding behind. After all, it is what you went to all those war zones for wasn't it, to protect the Constitution and our way of life that is defined by that document?

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"Yeah, you might think that it is a little harsh to fire a guy for envoking his second amendment right to free speech but I am certian that the writers of the Constitution did not design it to protect the nit wit who does not have the sense to know when something is acceptable to say."


Personally I don't think you have a clue what the founders meant. You don't even know that it's the First Amendment that protects the right to free speech. Learn what the hell you were fighting for for chist's sake. And I'll bet if you look a little further into it you'll find that speech such as yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire is criminal because there is a clear intent to cause harm. Same applies to inciting to riot, verbal assault, etc. That is the deciding factor, intent to cause harm. Intent to cause harm is not protected by the First Amendment. Neither you nor that pilot meant to cause harm by your statements and that is why neither of you should be guilty of any crime.
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Dragon2115
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Location: New England

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"The pilots in my profession that choose to make comments, complain to the screeners and refuse to comply hurt them selves, hurt the industry, and hurt our profession."


Bert,

I commend you for your attitude but not everyone is going to take it so elloquently as you have. Sometimes your own people are going to express frustration at things that aren't doing anything to make things any better. We shouldn't be firing them for pointing out the lunicy of it all. There is a big difference between doing as I just said and getting out of control and and making threats. Threats have to be taken seriously right away now. But I really think we're getting out of control. Do we all have to be lemmings even though we know what we're doing is the wrong approach and more importantly wasting much needed resources? I mean really, nail clippers?
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The_Dave
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Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

OK....you win...

Yes, you do have me there....I have gotten my admendments switched...I was having a discussion about gun control with another person....my bad. Nonetheless, I believe you got my point....

What I was saying is that I am sick of the people that BASH the constitution one minute and HIDE behind it the next. It is what it is...like it or leave it!

I have enjoyed this exchange, and look forward to it again in the future.

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.
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Dragon2115
Key Veteran
Location: New England

Yes I saw your point Dave, and hopefully you have seen mine about the danger of over compensation after events such as these.

Yes I agree with you about people that bash and then hide behind the Constitution. That's not what I'm about. I'm a staunch defender of the Constitution and see what is going on right now as over compensating to the point where it is sacraficing our basic civil liberties. Once these sacrafices have been made they will never be returned and that is why we need to think long and hard before making them rather than just throwing them away in a knee-jerk reaction.

A few months ago I saw some postings about a couple of guys losing their permission to fly over a farmers property because people were calling him and the police and telling them that these people could be terrorists spraying the fields with anthrax. Think model heli on CP30, kind of does look like a crop duster from a distance. These callers were told what was really going on but the calls kept coming. My understanding is that they lost their permission not because they were doing anything wrong but because the farmer and the police got sick of dealing with the phone calls from the paniced lemmings. So what happened here is that people can't fly helis in that area because there are too many irrationally scared people there.

So Dave, how are the bookmakers there in Vegas? I read they took a real beating on the Superbowl. I'm sure they'll make up for it in short order but it's nice to see the underdog win for a change.
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Jeff
Heliman
Location: Pampa, Texas

Airport Security and Lines..

About a month after 9-11 I had to fly to New Orleans on business. I had, among other things, a pair of steel toed boots in my carry on. I flew out of Amarillo, and got a pretty good searching..and there was the pilot of my plane (didn't know it at the time) getting searched right next to me.

Sure, the line was long, but I made my flight. Then coming back, I have a LOT longer line leaving MSY that afternoon...like out the door just for carry on passengers, down the driveway if you had checked baggage. But that's OK...I'd rather be safe and all. But they didn't even open my bag. The X-ray can't tell what's in a steel toe. Coulda been C4. They never looked. Machine gun guards right there.

And that's what made me mad....I can stand in the line, but at least check my bag! I am no threat to airline safety. I know that. They don't. Sure, I don't fit any profile other than passenger wanting to get a $5 beer at the crowded bar next to the gate.

But I sure as heck didn't tell them, "Hey, bozo! Check my bag! I might have a shoe bomb!"

And what do you know! The next big headline: Shoe Bombs. I coulda said told ya so, but I didn't tell them so.

So next Tuesday, I'm flying to Vegas for a little R&R. Without steel toed boots.
02-12-2002 Over year old.
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Since I fly aircraft myself, I figure I can add my 2 cents. Flying aircraft with you and a friend in a light airplane is one thing. With lives of many other people on board the aircraft is another thing. The people are trusting that you make smart decisions and fly safe. I would'nt feel safe flying with that pilot who made that remark. I mean, that is one of the things you don't say along with all the other ones like bomb, gun etc.. I think that pilot should've exercised a little more judgment. Scary he got that far flying planes in the first place with dicision making like that. Isn't that common sense 101?

Chris
Rex 500 A123 Power

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
02-12-2002 Over year old.
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ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

if you blurp the right words or look suspect prior to or while boarding, you'll get arrested .. simple as that . everyone is suspect now. some of this other stuff i'm reading is too deep..


02-12-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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