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Tandem Rotor Helis Vertol Chinook > setting up TR-SVMIX ??
 
 
plantone
Senior Heliman
Location: Rotorua New Zealand

HI

Can anyone offer some advice i have just built a CH47 chinook & went to the field to run the motor today & set the blade tracking. I Ran the engine with no blades on for safety being a new model etc. When throttling up i noticed the all the servos started jitterin severely @ about 1/3 throttle but stopped just over half throttle, i am running JR pcm 10 x radio with 2.4 spectrum module & a 9 ch 2.4g reciever with a remote is it possible to get static build up from the belt or would it be vibration from the gyro ???

I then checked all the setting in the manuel with the ones on the mixer unit but noticed i had to change the rudder & elevator as these were correcting the wrong way so now are not the same as the manuel. It seems strange that Hirobo have gone to all this trouble to supply info specific to futaba & JR which makes me wonder if ive missed something.

Can anyone with JR gear & servos give their mixer units set up so i can compare settings. Also how hard should the gyro tape be, firm or more like the CSM spongy gyro tape??

Cant wait to get this airborne its drumming up a lot of interest here as i believe its the only in New Zealand flying.

Cheers Wayne

NZ were kiwis do fly
03-16-2008 10:37 AM
 
 
autorotater
Heliman
Location: California

Wayne I think your mixer tape is what is giving you the problem. Sounds like as the frame is vibrating the mixer is responding to every little vibration. That mixer needs to be isoalted with thick softer foam. The one on my tandem came with the kit and is pretty thick. I run Futaba so my setting wouldn't help you but sounds like you should be close. My setting aren't far from stock. Just had to make a couple tweeks to the rudder and elev.

And I know what you mean with the two channels being reversed. Mine had the same problem and it cost me a set of blades before I figured it out. Once you get the hang of that thing your gonna love it.

Dan
03-17-2008 05:47 PM
 
 
JBS
Heliman
Location: UK & USA

Servo Jitters

I hope by now you have your jitters sorted out.

I had the exact same problem with my E-Chinook setup when I got to about 92% throttle.

In my case the problem was caused by resonance between the gyro unit and the main frame. It is easy to test this- just unplug the gyro lead from the mixer unit. If the jitters stop when you run up, the gyro mounting is the cause. Even without the gyro plugged in, the servos will respond to your stick inputs. If the jitter re-appear when you plug the gyro back in, it confirms that the gyro mounting is the problem.

In my case, I simply increased the thickness of the foam tape holding the gyro to the frame by a couple of extra layers. This seemed to isolate the gyro from the frame vibration to a far better extent, and the jitters have gone.

Of course if you make the foam too thick, you could run into another resonance area at a different frequency. I think its simply a question of trial and error- I dont think there is any hard and fast way to arive at the corrct foam thickness.

I am using the Specktrum 6900 RX and module into my Futaba TX. The mixer unit is set up exactly per the manual for the Futaba TX, and it works very well. I have not needed to adjust any settings. I have the Spektrum data logger plugged in and I have not lost any significant frame numbers, nor experienced any glitches.

I am also using a LIPO RX battery setup to ensure that the on-board voltage never drops below 3.5volts, even under full servo load, because below this voltage the Spectrum RX resets itself and locks out for up to 3 seconds. There is a safety notice about this problem on the horizon hobby website.
04-01-2008 10:36 AM
 
 
plantone
Senior Heliman
Location: Rotorua New Zealand

JBS

Thanks for the info i to had to change the gyro tape and have found the best so far is the gel type similer to the green ZEAL tape by kyosho it works great. But have changed the gyro setting a fair bit from stock trying to get it to lock in better & stop the elvator from being over sensative to stick input. Aileron is great very stable. Im playing with pitch between the two heads at the moment in hover to elimate the forward elev. trim. As i take of the model wants to fly forwards but when in a hover it want to fly backwards so using down trim to correct this in hover so want to increase the rear pitch to see if it helps. I guessing the flying forward on take of is due to the angle off attack when model is sitting on the ground.

Doorman has suggested some gyro setting that i have set & was great but only have 6 tanks of fuel thru it at the moment.

Wayne
NZ
04-02-2008 06:57 AM
 
 
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