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e-Miniature Aircraft Furion - Razor - Ion-X > My New Ion X2
 
 
Fly X Cell
Heliman
Location: Hampton, VA

All that I can say is WOW!! The test flights for this bird were done about three weeks ago. I had reserved posting anything until I was able to put some more flights on. Now 10 flights later, I am still in shock over the awesome perfomance of this heli. I am running 12s at 11.27 to 1. I am comparing this to my Stratus O.S. 91 C-spec/ Cline/ Viper. I do believe the Ion seems more powerful. I just wish that I could get more than 4 min.
I am going to try to put another 20 flights on this weekend, and will give an update and pictures later.

Clarence

Furion 450
Stratus O.S. 91 C-spec/ OMI Cline/Viper
ION X2 Actro 32-3
Team MA
02-21-2008 12:51 PM
 
 
Chachin
Senior Heliman
Location: Cape Canaveral, FL

Good to hear Clarence. It's awesome isn't it? The power on 12S is pretty insane and definitely addicting! It's a whole new heli compared to 10S. I still have people walk up to me and ask "Is that electric?!?" like they almost can't believe it.

On 12S 3850 Extreme V2's I'm setting my timer to 4:10 and land at the 4:20 mark. I think 4min isn't that bad considering is such an adrenaline rush. Flybarless is probably the way to get 5min flight times with the benefit of even hotter 3D performance.

Chachin..

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02-21-2008 04:26 PM
 
 
Fly X Cell
Heliman
Location: Hampton, VA

690mm

I am currently running 690 SAB's, but I am thinking of trying 710's and maybe even 5000 packs. I know that will add 10 oz. of weight, but I have heard that you don't really notice it unless you're piro flipping. I just have to try it. Anyone running 710's with the 3850's? I don't really want to lose too much cyclic. Cyclic is already a little slower than I would like, but that may be due to my servo selection; JR 8311's. Probably need to consider the 8717's.

Clarence

BTW, The 4500's that some people are running weigh more than the v2 5000's. Well not really there is a 60 gram difference.

Furion 450
Stratus O.S. 91 C-spec/ OMI Cline/Viper
ION X2 Actro 32-3
Team MA
02-21-2008 05:03 PM
 
 
Chachin
Senior Heliman
Location: Cape Canaveral, FL

Yeah I'm also running 12S 4500 Extremes V1. They perform great, the heli gains flight time at the expense of some maneuverability. The 3850's V2 are my favorite because you get the most "snappiness" out of the heli.

I also have a set of 12S 5000 Extreme V2. The 4500s Extreme are definitely lighter than these. I haven't tried the 5000's in the Ion yet since I just love the way the 3850's fly. Will give the 5000's a try this weekend since I have some time and will report back.

710's is probably a good idea to run with the 5000's.

Chachin..

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02-21-2008 05:52 PM
 
 
Horacio
Veteran
Location: Mexifornia

I will be waiting for your report Carlos.

Tim
02-21-2008 10:07 PM
 
 
Fly X CellHeliman - Location: Hampton, VA -
Pictures as promised



Furion 450
Stratus O.S. 91 C-spec/ OMI Cline/Viper
ION X2 Actro 32-3
Team MA
02-22-2008 03:47 AM
 
 
THX1138
Elite Veteran
Location: Plainfield, IN

That thing looks killer!! I fly mine with the 32-3 on 10s and I love it. I get 5 mins solid and have over 30hrs on her now. It is the smoothest machine I have ever built. IF it won't be hijacking your thread, I would be more than happy to post some pics. IF it is not to much trouble, can you post a shot with the hood off?

Lou

Back off man, I'm a scientist.
02-22-2008 06:47 AM
 
 
Fly X Cell
Heliman
Location: Hampton, VA

Pictures

Everybody, please feel free to post pictures of your Ion's. I am sure that we would all like to see them and know the setup.

Furion 450
Stratus O.S. 91 C-spec/ OMI Cline/Viper
ION X2 Actro 32-3
Team MA
02-22-2008 11:50 AM
 
 
THX1138
Elite Veteran
Location: Plainfield, IN

Here is my 10s Powered Ion-X2. I hope you guys dig it because I sure as heck fire do!! I have had it with me here in Iraq since late October. I have flown over 30hrs on her and even took it out over the perimiter wall a couple times.




Lou

Back off man, I'm a scientist.
02-22-2008 12:04 PM
 
 
mlevings
Senior Heliman
Location: Claremore, OK

Here is mine. It's a Ion X1.5



9:1 ratio
Scorpion 4025-10 Motor
12S TP X2 5000mah
HV85 ESC
690mm Vblades
Vbar Flybarless
02-22-2008 02:16 PM
 
 
Horacio
Veteran
Location: Mexifornia

How about posting along with the pics:

1. Gear Ratio

2. Batts

3. Esc

4. Flight Duration

5. Blades

6. Flying style: scale from 1 to 10, 10 being stick bangin' 3D.

I think this would help the guys who are on the fence about what they want. That is, if its ok with the topic starter.

Tim
02-22-2008 03:12 PM
 
 
THX1138
Elite Veteran
Location: Plainfield, IN

I think I am using 9.47 for my GR on the 32-3.

10s TP 5000 v2 for batts, I also have a set of 10s Evo 20 4350. I get five minutes on both but the TP's have a marked power advantage.

I am flying the PowerJazz and it is the single smoothest ESC ever IMO. It never fails and has a very, very nice slow start. I run it in fixed end point withe the throttle wide open. This gives me a HS of 1950.

I am using TST 690's on the main and 105mm V tails. I also have 95mm V-paddles on the flybar.

My flying style is pretty varried. I would say 75% of the time, I am flying hard 3D. Lots of tic tocks, hurricanes, tail slides, attempts at piro flipping, that kind of stuff. I do regularly fly of a set or two of just basic hovering and fundamentals. When I fly the Evo packs, I fly a full FAI class I routine and that comes out pretty well.

All in all I love this heli. Some have written about flight characteristics that they did not like, but i have not found anything about this machine that I don't care for. I took a great deal of time and care to get the set-up very tight and true. It has certainly paid off. If you want a 90 electric, this is one hell of a way to go about it!

Lou

Back off man, I'm a scientist.
02-22-2008 03:37 PM
 
 
Fly X Cell
Heliman
Location: Hampton, VA

5000 Report

Well here's the report.
Ion X2 11.27:1, Actro 32-3, 12s, TP 5000, 710mm SAB.
This is a heavy setup and the heli knows it. You have alot of pop and power but some of that is accredited to the 710's. Although heavy( nose heavy), it tracks solid in FFF. The weight shows up in piro maneuvers. All Piro maneuvers, like 540 stall turns, even level piros, upright and inverted, and just forget about piro flips. Aileron tic tocs required alot of top rudder input, but elevator tic tocs were another story. The nose comes over quick, real quick. Nose dow tic tocs were fast too. The experience wasn't terrible. If you have never flown a lighter Ion, then 5000's may be okay. You'll just have to get used to all that weight(11 oz increase over 3850's) that far from the mast.

Ion X2 11.27:1, Actro 32-3, 12s, TP 3850, 710mm SABI kept the 710's on just see the difference from my 690's. This setup likes 710's. Explosive pop and ballistic climbout. Cyclic didn't slow down too much. The only issue is that 710's do not unload as quick. My collective management skills are probably better suited for 690's ( different timing).

Verdict
5000's will work if you just have some laying around and are dead set on longer flight time. You will have to learn to fly differently with that type of weight distribution.

3850's with 710's give you alot of pop, but be careful with your collective. It unloads noticeably slower than with 690's.

3850's with 690's gives me what I need.

All of this changes with a different motor and/or a different gear ratio.

Clarence

Furion 450
Stratus O.S. 91 C-spec/ OMI Cline/Viper
ION X2 Actro 32-3
Team MA
02-23-2008 11:37 PM
 
 
stanc
Veteran
Location: Conroe, TX

9:1 (20T Motor/30T Pinion Pulley & 90T/15T)
32-3
2 x 5S FP3700
HV85
690 Radix
105 Radix T/B

Will fly it tomorrow for the first time, duration will probably not be that great with the packs. Hope to have some 5S 3850 TP V2 eXtreme packs soon. Might change the gear and go to 12S TP 3850 V2 eXtreme, but I only have one pair of the long packs. The brick 6S 3850s probably want fit under the canopy very well.

Stan

Stan
2 x Ion X2
eStartus
eAvro90
Performance Plus Lipo Packs
02-24-2008 02:49 AM
 
 
OICU812
rrProfessor
Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada

Yup the Ion was one of the helis I should have never sold. *SIGH*

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
02-24-2008 09:17 AM
 
 
Chachin
Senior Heliman
Location: Cape Canaveral, FL

Interesting report Clarence I can relate to it. I've done only 1 flight so far with the 12S 5000's, and the weight distribution definitely felt off. I mean it flew well with plenty of authority but felt awkward when it came to piro moves. It does have a lot of power and will easily get over 5min flight times. These packs would work a lot better in an Ion-X1 with the cells in end-to-end configuration and with the belt drive on the second stage.

I think a better choice over the 12S 5000 V2 (for the X2) would be 14S 3850 V2 . They would still be lighter than the 5000's and the machine would probably be unstoppable with that kind of voltage . I'd love to try such a setup down the road. Maybe even 14S/15S 3300's V2 but not sure what would happen to the flight times (remain the same or decrease? Probably decrease a bit).

For now the 12S 3850 V2 packs are my favorite. I have two sets of these and am planning on getting a third one soon so multiple flights are easily achievable.

Let us know how you like it Stan . The Ion is a lot of fun on 10S too.

Chachin..

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02-24-2008 05:55 PM
 
 
Fly X Cell
Heliman
Location: Hampton, VA

PJ and Prog. card

Hey Guys,
Where is the best place to get a Power Jazz and programmer card? I am getting tired of playing with this HV110.

Thanks,
Clarence

Furion 450
Stratus O.S. 91 C-spec/ OMI Cline/Viper
ION X2 Actro 32-3
Team MA
02-25-2008 02:29 PM
 
 
Chachin
Senior Heliman
Location: Cape Canaveral, FL

Hello Clarence,

If you are a Tower member, right now they are offering $30 off any $200 order plus free shipping. So you can get a brand new PJ for $370 shipped. That's how I got mine for the Ion and I'm ordering another one today for the Razor . The PJ really opens up a lot of doors with up to 15S capability. No more sparks either which is a very nice touch.

The programming card I got from Fx for $27 plus shipping:
https://www.fxaeromodels.com//produ...roducts_id=4100

Chachin..

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02-25-2008 03:54 PM
 
 
stanc
Veteran
Location: Conroe, TX

My Ion flew great, it actually CGed better with AT 5000 packs than the 3700s. Five minute flight and put back 3800, the 3700 packs took back around 3000 and only got three and a half minutes. I think it really needs 12S to have some snap.
I can tell you the is no comparison between it and my other Ion with the two stage geared set up and the Hacker dog motor.

Stan

Stan
2 x Ion X2
eStartus
eAvro90
Performance Plus Lipo Packs
02-26-2008 10:46 AM
 
 
Fly X Cell
Heliman
Location: Hampton, VA

Quote 
I think it really needs 12S to have some snap.

Stanc,
You definately need to try 12s. Just make sure that you get the double stack main gear. 12s 5000's will be too heavy.


Clarence,

Furion 450
Stratus O.S. 91 C-spec/ OMI Cline/Viper
ION X2 Actro 32-3
Team MA
02-26-2008 01:06 PM
 
 
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