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Vertiviper
Senior Heliman
Location: NY- USA

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Fly it like the SIM


"weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee,woaahhhhhhhh..hey!..weeeeeee.uh....o..o.......awwwww <reset>"
02-17-2008 05:13 AM
 
 
Matt Smith
Heliman
Location: Newton, NJ

Dragging this back up top. I guess you could say I had an awakening. I haven't been able to put in as much stick time as I'd like, say average 3~4 flights a week, and those have been in less than optimal conditions, so my learning curve has slowed down a little. Last friday, I was eager to fly but it was getting to be dusk, so I found a school parking lot with lights. Two mistakes in one - bad lighting, and flying in an unfamiliar place. I had been working on slow pirouettes with stops at 90° intervals, but hadn't been comfortable with CCW rotation, so I started working on that. Mistake #3. I was having a hard time orienting myself against the background and started to drift a little between corrections. Just about 45° nose in on the third try, I heard some kids rolling up on bikes and figured I'd better land before they got anywhere near me. That little distraction was enough to lose orientation, and between that and the bad lighting, I panicked and chopped the collective instead of hitting hold and bringing the tail around.
So, I made at least 4 mistakes, thankfully it cost me only a servo gearset, a feathering shaft, and new blades. Anyway, now I understand.


The worst part is that prior to the crash, I was fine with orientation at tail-in, nose-in, 90s, and tail 45s and was starting to get comfy with nose-in 45s. Now, a half dozen flights after the crash, I still start panicking when rotating CCW as soon as I pass 90°. I'm afraid to try nose-in or 45° nose in from that direction and can't figure out how to break that mental block. Every time I try, I bail out and swing the tail around as soon as it starts to drift instead of correcting it. My brain just freezes and doesn't tell my fingers what to do.
06-05-2008 07:50 PM
 
 
JRjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Portage, IN

Yep, it had to happen....
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JRjoe
06-05-2008 07:56 PM
 
 
Vertiviper
Senior Heliman
Location: NY- USA

Matt Smith, do you have a SIM?
06-05-2008 08:16 PM
 
 
Matt Smith
Heliman
Location: Newton, NJ

Yes I do. I have G2 as well as the demo version of G4. That's part of what's really killing me here. I realize that the sim doesn't have the pucker factor, but I am fine with those orientations on the sim. In real life, as soon as the heli starts to drift I start panicking with my corrections and freezing up. I guess I'm afraid I'm going to crash into myself or somemone else. Maybe I'll try adding some wind or something on the sim and see if the added difficulty helps me feel better with real life flying.
06-05-2008 08:46 PM
 
 
Vertiviper
Senior Heliman
Location: NY- USA

Get yourself some height when trying those orientations in real life. Or invest in a better sim. I reccomend Phoenix for its realism.
06-05-2008 08:53 PM
 
 
Matt Smith
Heliman
Location: Newton, NJ

Yeah, I've been trying to work my way up to about 20' altitude before trying anything new. I'm still getting used to the higher altitude, so that's probably not helping. I think I'm stuck with G2 for now, because I'd have to upgrade to a new machine just to run phoenix acceptably...
06-05-2008 10:02 PM
 
 
dhollein
Key Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

People say the same things about learning to ride motorcycles and I'm sure other hobbies as well... It's an ignorant thing to say considering that many people can fly/drive/whatever without getting into a crash. The only times I've crashed were when I got crazy...


BUT Crashing is EASY to do.
06-05-2008 10:22 PM
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Pull-n-Pitch
Veteran
Location: Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

Now, as mentioned earlier, I've known pilots that haven't crashed due to "Pilot Error"... Ever!
My first crash caught me off guard, Servo failure on aileron..
The rest looked horrific as I couldn't recover (then... not now)
But "Accepted" that you will crash, Pilot error no!
But it's that mechanical stuff that will get you!
(I love it when pilots go "they are brand new servos!)
I just smile and say yeah Okay!

I don't own a sim but does anyone make one that you can program in certain failures, like servo or engine etc....

Pull-n-Pitch
06-05-2008 10:57 PM
 
 
RPMATLANTA
Senior Heliman
Location: Cumming GA

Helicopters are perishable goods

THEY ALL HAVE EXPERATION DATES YET TO BE DETERMINED!LOL!!!!

Take offs are optional! Landings are not!
06-06-2008 12:49 AM
 
 
dhollein
Key Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

Same with planks...I've only ever crashed due to mechanical failures...
06-06-2008 01:06 AM
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RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Usually a lot of guys who've told me they've never crashed and they do all this stuff, when I finally get to see them fly in person, they usually are two empire state buildings high and you can barely make out the manuever, lol.

Chris
Rex 500 A123 Power

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
06-06-2008 01:47 AM
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ZAC ATTACK
Senior Heliman
Location: Hamilton Ontario, CANADA

I just keep on crashing man!! Im not scared or intimadated,I try stuff thats risky and crash,Its all in a the learning curve of learning 3D! Hope this makes you feel better!

MAAC#77677 Medicated daily for your protection
06-06-2008 02:05 AM
 
 
speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

Things that have very complicated moving parts and are somewhat difficult to operate will eventually fail. When said things actually fly through the air, an operator error or mechanical failure results in a crash. Operator error and mechanical failure are guarenteed to occur at some point throughout your flights regardless of precautions and safety measures. Don't believe me? Then why do real full scale airplanes and heli's crash? It's a fact of life that everyone has to accept sooner or later. Go fly and enjoy it, crashes aren't the end of the world.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk
06-06-2008 04:03 AM
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Damper
Senior Heliman
Location: Point Blank TX USA

Matt Smith

It took me several months to get over the fear factor of flying.
I would tell myself this the day I am over come my fear and do some
slow forwoard flying but to my dissappointment I would only hover around like a Pussy. Then it finally came to me forward flight. Now I have to overcome the fear turning the heli around in figure 8's.
Not very good on the nose in orientation of the heli. I been using differnet methods the Sim the high piro method method and the training gear method. All are useful tools to use but that dam fear factor in my head. When I see a young boy doing things that I dream about doing it steams me up but I love watch it being done and tells
I can do this. The point is Just take your time and have fun at the
sametime

Full Throttle Spooning Leads To Forking
06-06-2008 03:00 PM
 
 
smcbmw
Veteran
Location: Louisville, Kentucky

Up until my first crash, I was a nervous wreck about crashing. Now I know that it can be repaired and I just try new things. Having several birds helps to. When one is down, you can fly the other...

10-8
06-06-2008 03:48 PM
 
 
Skarn
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

The bottom line is everyone has a different personality. Take skiing for example: There are some people that just about NEVER fall. But are they pushing themselves to their limits? No, and they don't want to and are perfectly happy. Me on the other hand would push myself to my limits and of course would eventually fall. I like it that way and in my opinion I progressed MUCH faster than the person that takes it easy and skiis within his means. Same thing for heli's. After learning to fly my trex, in just 3 months/less than 30 flights, I was doing flips, rolls, loops, etc. Did I crash? You bet! I had 5 major crashes in that timeframe. Could I have learned all that without crashing? Sure, but in a much longer timeframe. I do credit my sim as well in helping with the learning curve.

It's all about acceptable risk. I have never dropped my Harley....but do I push my riding to the limits? No! The consequences are much more severe.

Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...
06-06-2008 08:57 PM
 
 
SkyWarp
Senior Heliman
Location: Planet Earth

I have not heard of anyone who hasn't crash during a learning curve. Even the pros do their share of crashes. The way I look at it, if your not crashing... then you're not pushing yourself hard enough. Well said Skarn.. I'm with ya.

IMO


Century Swift-
I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night.
06-06-2008 09:10 PM
 
 
payne1967
Veteran
Location: warwick uk

pull-n-pitch
with the phoenix sim you can put in random failures
engine, tail , different servo's etc
06-06-2008 10:19 PM
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Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

Crashing is an acceptable case where you learn a lot more than just flying. You learn to:
1. Assess what went wrong
2. Disassemble the heli without anyone to help you
3. Assess what parts are to be replaced or upgraded
4. Where to buy parts at reasonable prices
5. Reassembly of the heli to it's mechanical specs
6. Setup and test fly your heli
06-06-2008 10:53 PM
 
 
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