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e-Mikado Logo 400 500 600 > New Mikado Logo Helicopter - Logo 400 "425mm" Main Blade machine
 
 
Cybinary
Senior Heliman
Location: The Colony, TX

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Whats up with a driven tail.........

Yea, Ditto....does this mean the Logo 400 won't be a good bird? Or it just won't Auto?

What does a driven tail give you???

"Gravity is a Harsh Mistress!"
Lepton EX Fully BLINGed
02-13-2008 02:34 PM
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: Town of California in the state of Maryland

> does this mean the Logo 400 won't be a good bird?

Hmm, the Logo 10 doesn't have a driven tail yet it has always been considered a great heli.

> What does a driven tail give you???

Tail control during autos.

This really does sound like a Logo 10 with perhaps a shorter tail boom.

- John

Protos -- Logo 14 -- Logo 10
02-13-2008 02:49 PM
 
 
Cybinary
Senior Heliman
Location: The Colony, TX

Any1 think there might be a mod later to make a L400 have a driven tail?

"Gravity is a Harsh Mistress!"
Lepton EX Fully BLINGed
02-13-2008 02:52 PM
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: Town of California in the state of Maryland

If a mod was never developed for the Logo 10, then I doubt it would for the 400. The Logo 10 has been around for a good bit of time and nothing ever came through.

Actually, there was one mod someone came up with... Lock up the one-way bearing and use a motor with as little drag as posssible when not powered and turning.

- John

Protos -- Logo 14 -- Logo 10
02-13-2008 03:06 PM
 
 
lloyd
Veteran
Location: Port Elizabeth,South Africa

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> What does a driven tail give you???

Tail control during autos.


Electric helis DONT need to auto...............

lloyd

future of nitro is ELECTRIC
02-13-2008 03:14 PM
 
 
laughingstill
Key Veteran
Location: Gainesville, Fl, USA

The heli will still be fgood without the driven tail. It really is only a preference thing. I remember not so long ago when people bagged on the Swift for not having one also. I think the tide will turn because some people believe that there is enough power lost with the tail driven to really affect their auto capabilities so they would rather have a non-driven tail. Personally it does not matter much to me either way right now. Most of my autos are from onlt 10 feet up anyway....Ron

3DMP-E, Logo 6003D, Logo103D Carbon and Trex 450se Flyin Firefighter
02-13-2008 03:15 PM
 
 
Cybinary
Senior Heliman
Location: The Colony, TX

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The heli will still be fgood without the driven tail.

Good to hear, I am VERY intrested in this heli since I love this size! I have been looking hard at the 5003D for a while now but just didn't like the size/batt requirements. This one seems made to order!

Can't Wait!

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Most of my autos are from onlt 10 feet up anyway
Yea, me too!

"Gravity is a Harsh Mistress!"
Lepton EX Fully BLINGed
02-13-2008 03:31 PM
 
 
BOOGIE
Veteran
Location: LAFAYETTE LA

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Electric helis DONT need to auto...............
Thats funny

Mikado/Aero-Model
02-13-2008 03:57 PM
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LoopZilla
Heliman
Location: Melbourne, FL

The Logo 400 is indeed a re-vamped Logo 10 - did you not read my previous post?

The Logo 10 autos just fine, and the 400 will too. You just can't expect to do the trick autos.

A driven tail will add weight and complexity, something I personally don't need or want on a 430mm blade heli. It is a matter of opinion, and there are other choices on the market if you require a driven tail in a heli this small.

On another note...

I asked Ralf the direct question about Mikado producing a 90 sized heli, and his response was "never". I can't blame him at the moment.

LoopZilla
02-13-2008 05:30 PM
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JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: Town of California in the state of Maryland

> The Logo 400 is indeed a re-vamped Logo 10 - did you not read my
> previous post?

Sorry, I missed it.

> The Logo 10 autos just fine

Agreed.

Perhaps off topic a bit, but what are good/the best 425-430 mm blades on the market right now?

- John

Protos -- Logo 14 -- Logo 10
02-13-2008 05:45 PM
 
 
willie evans
Veteran
Location: Alberta, Canada

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Perhaps off topic a bit, but what are good/the best 425-430 mm blades on the market right now
Rotortech/align for blades.

Driven tail:
How can a extra pulley and longer belt be that much weight? maybe a tad amount of extra friction.
but if the Align500 can auto nice with a gear then pulley shurley Mikado could have built it like there 500...it sure is nice to control the tail at the end of the auto not just aerobatics
02-13-2008 07:56 PM
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: Town of California in the state of Maryland

Hmm, had thoughts about cutting one of my Logo 10s down to the 400 size. But... The blade bolts are 4 mm and the available 425 blades are 3 mm. One would need some bushings.

- John

Protos -- Logo 14 -- Logo 10
02-14-2008 01:55 PM
 
 
LoopZilla
Heliman
Location: Melbourne, FL

JKos,

The original Logo 10 blade grips were 3mm, but were changed to 4mm when we started stretching the Logo 10 to 555mm blades.

So, I imagine Mikado is aware that we need 3mm bolts and hope they will include them in the Logo 400 kits.

Later...

LoopZilla
02-14-2008 03:35 PM
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ahin
Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

What size of battery would be the best for Logo 400?
Same as Trex500?

Thanks

Raymond.
02-14-2008 04:15 PM
 
 
BOOGIE
Veteran
Location: LAFAYETTE LA

Yep the same pack should work well. They both run the same blade size.

Mikado/Aero-Model
02-14-2008 04:45 PM
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spacecopter
Heliman
Location: Calgary, CANADA

Here are some more pictures about the LOGO 400

You will find even more pictures at:

http://www.rc-heli.de/board/showthread.php?t=59599

Cheers Marc

2 x Acrobat SE
02-14-2008 08:10 PM
 
 
Cybinary
Senior Heliman
Location: The Colony, TX

Looks like it doesn't have a Herringbone Maingear...Does that mean it won't be as effecient as the 500/600 line of heli's? Or just louder?

"Gravity is a Harsh Mistress!"
Lepton EX Fully BLINGed
02-15-2008 03:20 AM
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: Town of California in the state of Maryland

I don't think you'll ever find someone who would say the Logo 10 was loud or inefficient. Thus, I would suspect the 400 will be just fine.

- John

Protos -- Logo 14 -- Logo 10
02-15-2008 05:14 AM
 
 
willie evans
Veteran
Location: Alberta, Canada

Exactly John,

this is a 10 year old design,
with a new canopy and plastic battery tray instead of a carbon one must be a DX version as the swash is plastic on the flybar version like the old logo10 standard and it was a 10cell or 4-5s machine.

This is almost a joke !

Mind you the logo10 did fly well, still this is making fun of the consumer ...NEW logo400....
02-15-2008 03:34 PM
 
 
Cybinary
Senior Heliman
Location: The Colony, TX

I never relized the L10 was that small a heli. I always throught the L10, L14, & L24 were all bigger helis that required 8s or higher on Lipos, Guess I was missinformed. I really like this size of heli and since flying my Lepton am I looking for a second heli in the same size range. I don't like the Trex 500 so that one is out. I have always liked the quality of the Logo series, just didn't want to have to get larger batteries. Thanks for the info guys, maybe I should just look at the L10 if it will spin 425mm and run the same 5s batts I have for the Lepton!

"Gravity is a Harsh Mistress!"
Lepton EX Fully BLINGed
02-15-2008 04:50 PM
 
 
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