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Align T-REX 600N 700N > 20 dollar bet, UPDATE. What is mass market in heli community?
 
 
03fomoco
Senior Heliman
Location: Tucson AZ

Cool

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I'll get your 20 bucks back from the house guest over the 4th of July weekend....

Not a problem just tell the anonymous guest to let me bang the sticks around on a future true mass market heli.

Dave

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06-03-2008 11:35 PM
 
 
bladebraker
Heliman
Location: USA

Dont say the T word (Trex 700) on the Aurora section they will jump all over you! It sounds like a few of those guys are getting tired of waiting for this thing also.
06-05-2008 03:41 PM
 
 
James Vaello
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio

What's an Aurora?

Does it look like this?



Ron Lund throwing it in the outhouse at his fun fly.

This is how desperate these guys are, $1 for a photo with one?



Nothing better than the smell of Camper Fuel in the morning.
06-05-2008 10:05 PM
 
 
NOLONGERFLYING
Veteran
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

^

that is funny. suprised I havent seen those pictures surface earlier

If you dont succeed the first time, try and try again. With heli's keep on trying!
06-05-2008 10:20 PM
 
 
James Vaello
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio

That is because I have been hoarding them. Took them myself at Ron's Fun Fly. Just felt like starting something today, getting restless.

Trex 700 = ~$700, 700mm blades, and to be available the 7th month of the year.

Aurora = Even though I saw one live, I am still not sure if they are real. Must be a one off?

Nothing better than the smell of Camper Fuel in the morning.
06-05-2008 10:25 PM
 
 
NOLONGERFLYING
Veteran
Location: Scottsdale, AZ

James you are my new hero.. Thank you my sir, you made my day

Mind if I put them in my gallery so they might never get lost?

If you dont succeed the first time, try and try again. With heli's keep on trying!
06-05-2008 10:39 PM
 
 
JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

The Aurora is a JOKE. A few people have them, sure, but a LOT less than you'd think based on Avant's release letter. They make it sound like they are pumping them out fast and furious. Based at least on the forums this just isn't so. As usual, Augusto 'adjusting' the truth to suit his purposes. I wouldn't buy one now no matter how good it looks or flies.

Blecht.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
06-05-2008 10:44 PM
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bladebraker
Heliman
Location: USA

06-06-2008 03:52 AM
 
 
James Vaello
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio

Now I did it...

...my thread got shut down in the Avant forums. Closed.

I must have succeeded, my post was deleted.

Funny thing was all of us at HeliProz South's Fun Fly, including H to da C were laughing about the portable toilet photo.


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James you are my new hero.. Thank you my sir, you made my day

Mind if I put them in my gallery so they might never get lost?

Add me as a friend and that photo will never be lost!

Sheesh, we play with toys! I left IMAC and Thermal Duration sailplanes because of eliteists.

This might be in the wrong thread, but can't we laugh about it?

Nothing better than the smell of Camper Fuel in the morning.
06-06-2008 03:56 AM
 
 
pcskyhi
Senior Heliman
Location: Houston, TX

Well, we know that there is at least 100 of them (Heli Proz) here in the U.S. and I don't know how many RC Direct had on there pre order list. so they are out there somewhere.

Bladebraker, the guys that jumped U already have theirs as they stated to U in the Avant forum.

pcskyhi - live and learn
06-06-2008 04:01 AM
 
 
bladebraker
Heliman
Location: USA

Yep I posted that befor he posted that he got his.
06-06-2008 04:13 AM
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

the auroraites are a new breed. Feircely defiant and protective of their new toy. (hey thats what August calls them) some of them are even hypocrites being previous doom sayers during the overly protracted time taken between announcement and release.

I'll go with the Trex 700. will fly just as well no doubt and be a $hit load cheaper to repair and parts will be like an infestation.

Let them have their moment of glory....they have waited for it long enough.
06-06-2008 05:49 AM
 
 
JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

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parts will be like an infestation

LMFAO!!!

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
06-06-2008 05:54 AM
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James Vaello
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio

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parts will be like an infestation.

True, because people are going to fly it like they stole it. Well, because they practically did at the price the kits will end up at. The spare parts will be readily and evenly distributed. With pilots recently freed from the average high cost to repair a 90 size crash, they might in return be more adventurous pilots than ever before. Possibly driving part and component sales to a level never seen in the 90 Nitro class. Reasoning? Relative affordability... relatively speaking. Align, IMHO, has done a lot to advance technology and introduce fresh blood into our chosen discipline of this fine hobby.

Ok, before I get bloodied, I must admit that Align was NOT the first small Heli. We had Coronas, Shoguns, and those multitudes of pathetic stick and tissue(plastic) helis. Align came to market in force with affordability and parts availability. Align invigorating our sector of the hobby with a continuing stream of reasonably priced products.

Take the Trex450, it was a familiar Raptor-like design. Cheap to buy, cheap to fix, with just enough technical awe to attract a recently inducted flock of new R/C'ers. You got it, the dreaded park flyer folks. New heli pilots no longer needed a typical model field to safely and cheaply explore the realm of heli flight. A cul-de-sac or school yard worked fine. Budding pilots were freed from the usual discouraging planker mentality. A mindset which seems to choose not understand or tolerate heli's. But soon the mockery constituents found their numbers sharply declining due to attrition. For the first time in the hobby, Heli's became somewhat affordable and convenient to fly.

Align was by no means a refined design out the gates. Flaws were found, acknowledged and discussed online. A massive fan base contributed huge amounts of feedback. For a while, the aftermarket companies went crazy. People were paying insane prices to upgrade their heli's accepted flaws. Conversations were overheard such as: "That pretty CNC X (insert applicable: tailbox, mixing arms, etc) costs how much? That is the best thing ever, I must have it! Only a first born child? Ok, will blood work for a downpayment? It will?! Great! We have a deal!"

We had gone heli insane. Align listened and took note.

They quietly and carefully released a set of their own upgrade parts. First in an affordable form factor, updated plastic parts. Shortly after the plastic updates, we had affordable blue aluminum parts as well. Now you could add bling and crashabilty to this little adventure.

Ingenious!

Soon started the seething remarks about all this new heli activity. I think it was fear given birth from an influx of new pilots which ruffled the seasoned ranks feathers. I know some were terrified, as droves of pilots new to the hobby felt uncommonly natural with a controller in hand.

Admittedly, I am a MA fan. An Xcell was the first model helicopter I had ever seen truly flown hard. Thank you Curtis for coming to that fun fly in Mission Texas! That backwards take off was not expected by anyone. It was a tremendous leap in my eyes from the gnat-flit like quality similar to an insect crassly clawing at the air (Think GMP Cricket). I knew the high-maintenance reality of MA early on. Solid in design, but requiring expertise in construction and setup. It appealed to me. Heck, MA released my inner geek.

Align hit a home run, selling record numbers of helis. They had created a market that I am not sure they ever expected to. Good job initiating a new era. I bought in firmly not noticing that this little chopper was going to eventually cost close what my Raptor did to setup. You got me as well as droves of others excited and opening our pocket books. A crash no longer meant hundreds but tens of dollars.

Do you think that record setting pilot entries at events might wane soon? Doubtful. There are too many of us hooked with more still on the way.

Get us started on the gateway models. Then up the dose with a bigger electric heli. Then a hugely successful next gen 50 design. Now an affordable 90? Me head, she is a spinning. Congrats!

Align wins...IMHO. Not everyone will notice any difference or care about unobtanium uber birds, will they?

Nothing better than the smell of Camper Fuel in the morning.
06-06-2008 12:34 PM
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

James. Are you a journalist? well put. I feel like a 5 grader with my grasp of the english language and my rather agricutural approach towards the comments I make.

I agree with everything you said. I doubt you will need a flame suit on except from the Aurorites that have shelled out for the lastest and greatest "perfect" Heli that will no doubt have a reliability and durability factor far in excess of the lowly trex 700N by hundreds of times.

Your reasons stated are why I will get a 700N and punish that thing hard. rock on align. You seen A szabo Jnr fang this thing yet?
06-06-2008 12:52 PM
 
 
Avropilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, Tennessee

Very well said. I have been thinking that Align has just snuck up on the other manufacturers. Thunder Tiger for instance. They were enjoying their cornering of the 50 size market, laid back and just started manufacturing kits and parts. Counting the money. THEN Align showed with the 450. TT said ohh well it's just a little electric. Then the Nitro Pro and they all sat up in their chairs and said wait a minute. But it was too late.

I think what has happened is the manufacturers that were doing well at the time stopped trying to stay cutting edge. They must have fired their whole Research and development department.

Exactly when was TT Planning on getting on the CCPM bandwagon? 2015? The same goes for Min Air Etc.. Sure they changed their .90 Fury, Stratus Etc.. but it's really the same helicopter with a different frames etc.. Never trying to make it better and cheaper.

And we all know that better and cheaper will always win the market. Any market.

I personally have owned 5 Min air .90's Great flying machines but very finicky to set up and expensive to crash. Let alone the time it takes to put them back together. That heli alone almost made me get out of the hobby. So before throwing my hands up I thought I would try a .50. Thank you Align for the nitro pro. However I didnt know how it would work out. I had been flying high quality .90 machines for some time.

Now when I crash I don't have to sub manufacture the parts before I put them on. I bolt it on and fly.

Thank you Align, You have saved one 17 year RC heli pilot from giving up and finding a new hobby.
06-06-2008 02:05 PM
 
 
pcskyhi
Senior Heliman
Location: Houston, TX

I do not understand this great debate about align and avant. They are both fine helis. and Just like avant, align has its loyal congregation so the guys flying avants or no different than the guys who fly align. They both have issues that their followers are willing to put up with. U guys don't give the MA loyalist a hard time nor the hirobo guys (that would be me) a hard time. How about the raptor guys which buy the way is the first economical/affordable (Not align) 90. size heli and flew/flies very well in Szabo's and others hands. The list goes on and on. Fly what you love and let others fly what they like. It was all fun at first, but it is starting to get old (Align vs. Avant, Ford vs Chevy, Toyota Vs. Nissan, Cable vs. satellite, gold vs. silver, love vs. hate, etc...). Can't we all just get together and go fly what we like without labeling each other

pcskyhi - live and learn
06-07-2008 12:16 AM
 
 
03fomoco
Senior Heliman
Location: Tucson AZ

Same old

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I do not understand this great debate about align and avant. They are both fine helis. and Just like avant, align has its loyal congregation so the guys flying avants or no different than the guys who fly align. They both have issues that their followers are willing to put up with. U guys don't give the MA loyalist a hard time nor the hirobo guys (that would be me) a hard time. How about the raptor guys which buy the way is the first economical/affordable (Not align) 90. size heli and flew/flies very well in Szabo's and others hands. The list goes on and on. Fly what you love and let others fly what they like. It was all fun at first, but it is starting to get old (Align vs. Avant, Ford vs Chevy, Toyota Vs. Nissan, Cable vs. satellite, gold vs. silver, love vs. hate, etc...). Can't we all just get together and go fly what we like without labeling each other


This is the internet, when I get to the field a heli pilot is a heli pilot and we all gel together pretty well with common interest. This is no different than the "great" JR / Futaba debate. Honestly if I am not at the field I am bored so why not pick a few internet fights. It really is harmless and it gets really fun when someone gets serious and gets all spun up over a bunch of 1's and 0's coming through his ISP.

Dave

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06-07-2008 04:24 AM
 
 
jpla010
Senior Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

JR all the way
06-07-2008 04:29 AM
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

you guys are reading too deeply into this. They are just saying that you don't have to buy an Aurora, MA ,JR, Hirobo or whatever to get a good low cost product these days. I know the difference only too well. I have mostly flown hirobo with some JR in there. I had a trex and have had a raptor. The trex is better than the raptor was IMHO.

Besides....forums will always be like this. You have your tree huggers, your zealots, the aggressive buggers, whiny girly blouse types, scientists, idiots, newbies, old sticks in the mud, etc etc. never not going to be some sort of arguement on these forums.
06-07-2008 05:34 AM
 
 
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