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QuickWorldWide Ep and Wet Fuel Helis > Octane Dominator 26 with g231puh
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

I'm actually running a Gates belt that I had the local auto parts store order for me. I'll see if I can still read the number off of it and I'll post it for you. If the belt is running too loose, it could slip and pull teeth off. I had that happen with mine when I was running the stock tail....but I don't know if that has anything to do with causing it. I've been running the Gates belt for at least 50 gallons now without any signs of cracking or missing teeth.

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep
04-25-2008 02:02 PM
 
 
kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Thanks Oz and Shuttle, I may do the same as you shuttle and check at the local auto parts store, got nothing to lose. It would be great if you could still read the number off the belt. At this stage I think the belt was too loose causing the teeth to break off. The belt was tinkering, ie slapping, inside the boom a fair bit, wasn't sure if that was normal. Is the belt meant to do that inside the boom when tension is spot on? Thanks, kosta.
04-26-2008 01:10 AM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

The belt sounds as if it were a little loose. You shouldn't be able to hear it slapping in the boom if the tension is right. It should take a bit of pressure when you try to push the belt together in the opening where you can access it behind the rear servo. I will take a pic to let you see how mine looks behind the front pulley if you like.
The belt is a Gates Powergrip 690XL025 It also has another number that looks like 0725MC. It's a black belt and I think it runs much better than the Bando belts....IMHO

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep
04-27-2008 04:18 AM
 
 
Quick Worldwide
rrAdvertiser
Location: Coopersburg, PA

13 tooth pinion now available

We will have available shortly for the 26CC zenoah engine a 13 tooth
pinion gear.
This pinion choice will reduce the upper end RPM of motor while
increasing the upper RPM rotor head speed range.

The trade off is the response torque will be a slighty slower & the motor will have too work harder to keep up with the pinion. However you will have a wider power curve...QWW
04-29-2008 04:20 PM
 
 
Quick Worldwide
rrAdvertiser
Location: Coopersburg, PA

MR. SHUTTLE PILOT

SINCE YOU HAVE SO MANY HOURS FLYING YOU 26CC WITH A VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE ZENOAH'S MOTORS YOU WOULD BE A NATURAL TO DISCUSS THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE 13 TOOTH OVER THE 12 TOOTH.

CAN WE SEND YOU A 13T PINION...I KNOW WE CAN COUNT ON YOUR OPINION ON THE PINION...QWW
04-29-2008 05:04 PM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

That would be great. I have been wanting to see how the 13tooth behaved. It seems to be closer to the ratios that other aerobatic gassers out there are running. My engine runs really well and has plenty of rpm left with the 12tooth, but I think it would be good to see how it behaved with a little more load on it that the 13 would give.

By the way....why you SHOUTING?..

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep
04-29-2008 05:56 PM
 
 
kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Dominator Belt

I found a belt for the Octane Dominator 26 . The original belt is a Bando 686XL so I searched RR for 686XL and found that the Raptor 50 Titan uses that exact belt. Went to my LHS and picked one up right away . The only difference in belts is the new one is 2mm wider which is fine for the two pulleys at either end but a touch wide for the guide at the tail rotor end. Still sits in the guide, just not dead flat against it. Haven't run it yet but I'll let ya's know how it goes.

A few posts back Ozace actually mentioned checking out the Titan belt, the guy is a well of heli information . Thanks to OZ and shuttle for helping out, cheers fellas.
04-30-2008 04:30 AM
 
 
ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

glad to be of some help, keep up the good work

we can never have too many, can we ?
04-30-2008 04:33 AM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

hi kosta hows the mighty pig beast going. Mines going OK I just still have a slight wag and one of the tail belt guide pulleys failed but I had another because I have the cnc tail box, so a nice easy fix. I am just going to replace the tail grip bearings. I am thinking of putting it in a Hughes 500 e fuse after I get lots of confidence in it, as I dont think I will ever exactly 3D the mighty pig beast anyway. I think it has enough torque to raise the Titanic!!!!!!!!!!!
cheers
Paul
06-10-2008 05:39 AM
 
 
kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

UPDATES

Hi Paul, ya know what's freaky? I was logging on to runryder tonight to post updates and to my surprise you've done the same. There must be a connection.

Since replacing the original belt with the wider Raptor Titan belt I had some problems. The narrow pulley guide started to damage the side of the belt after one tank. I took the guide off and used four small standard bearings butted up against each other instead. Sure the bearings don't actually guide the belt, but atleast the belt rolls nicely on the bearings and stops the belt from touching the end of the boom. Went to fly another tank with the mods and noticed the tail was vibrating. I landed and as she spooled down I watched the counter pulley, it looked like the belt was jumping every couple of revolutions. I rotated the blades by hand for a closer inspection of the counter pulley and yep sure enough the belt was jumping on top of the pulley teeth causing the belt to tighten and loosen with every revolution. So that's where my vibration was coming from. I second guessed myself whether I had purchased the correct belt so I pulled the tail off and checked the teeth of the belt with the original again. They were exactly the same so it's not the belt. I took the pulley out to find what was happening. I ran the belt around the pulley in my hand and sure enough the teeth spacing on the pulley were a tiny amount too close together causing the belt to jump. I pulled the pulley apart, yes it is a two piece unit, and broke out the dremel with the little metal ball grinding bit. This bit is a perfect fit for grinding in between the pulley teeth, making the grooves just a little wider. I did this to both pulleys. I put everything back together, set belt tension and crossed my fingers. Rotated the mains by hand and the belt didn't jump once. Spooled up, lifted into a hover and whadda ya know, silky smoothe.: Now I know why my original belt lost some teeth, was a good feeling getting it sorted even though it was a bit barbaric. If anyone has the same problem and doesn't want to use the dremel, I've since found out you can use Raptor pulleys and tail output shaft. You gotta be a little creative in Aus since we don't have a local QWW parts supplier.

Next problem. Well not really a problem just a minor oversight on my behalf. With everything running smoothe I was looking forward to some good flights. Lifting off into a hover everything would be nice and vibration free for the first few minutes and then a major tail buzz would develop. The boom supports and horizontal fin would become a blur, really high frequency vibe and loosens a lot of bolts. What now I thought. First thing to mind was the mods I had done to the pulleys and what not, but upon inspection everything looked fine and why the buzz only after a few minutes and not right on lift off.
Then a light bulb went off, well maybe an led, I remembered reading here on RR about gasser engines causing vibes when running lean. As I was already 1 1/2 turns out on both needles I thought no way, that couldn't be it! So I turned both needles out a couple blade widths, lifted off and hovered, and hovered and hovered, waiting for the dreaded buzz to surface, but it never did. I have since flown five or six tanks and everything is sweet. I even put the canopy on for the first time. I think she started running lean because the temps here in Aus have really dropped (well it is winter Einstein) since I first started running the engine. I have burned about ten litres of fuel so far, another couple and I'll change over to synthetic and see what she can do. The shellite I'm running is working well.
I would like to take a short video (time permitting) of my Dominator in flight to post here, simply because there are no OD gasser vids here at all or anywhere for that matter.
Anyway, sorry for the long post and I hope some of it makes sense to someone. Cheers, kosta.

p.s Paul, do your tail grips have thrust bearings? If not, do what I did and fit a t-rex 600 hub and grips. They have thrust bearings and only 19 bucks from wattsuprc here in Aus. Cheers.
06-10-2008 02:36 PM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

I was looking last night would you belive at the tail, I was trying to fit my old ergo tail hub and grips, I like your idea better. I just built a trex 600 pro and a new vigor cs, bit different.
06-11-2008 12:46 AM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

Hey why dont we have a QWW shop anyway???
06-11-2008 12:48 AM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

Hey guys, got the fatso machine flying good now, just floats like a nice 60. Im thinking of putting it into a Hughes 500 e fuselage. How easy are these things to start and have running well once they are sorted? NC helicopters has a good looking fuselage, not as good as a FunKey but quite nice none the less. Still a bit sus about some of the levers but havent had any thing go wrong so far apart from the few things early on.
07-20-2008 12:34 PM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

It should top start pretty without no trouble using the top hex start. I have seen some onboard starting systems that can be used with some of the "rc" type engines. I'm not sure about the name of the company...Graupner maybe???. Of course it adds weight, but in a scale body it would be extremely kewl..

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep
07-21-2008 03:44 AM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

i was thinking of having a door that opens up then on the pull start having a nice alloy tube , bent in the right direction so the handle is inside the door opening, i think my stater would completly **** itself if i tried to top start it, the z26 seems harder to turn than my YS90
07-21-2008 05:20 AM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

I was kinda shocked to see Irwin start the 20cc and 26cc with his starter. I think he is using an 18vlt pack and a heavy duty starter. One of the main reasons I got into gasser is not having to have a started and the associated equipment. I run my generator off of my starter coupling...

The door sounds good. Make sure to take some pics for your pullstart setup when you make the plunge into a scale body. I've toyed with the idea of a body. I had one a long time ago on a shuttle ZX, but it was a pain to start and work on. Of course those are the days of the belt starter for the shuttle.

Gas is Great
QWW Field Rep
07-21-2008 05:57 AM
 
 
kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Hi guys, good to hear you got her flying well Paul, well done.
I've been running the 13 tooth pinion for a couple of tanks now and I like it much better than the 12 tooth. Like shuttle had stated in another post, the engine seems to run smoother with a little more load that the 13t provides. In the process of taking out my 12t pinion, I screwed up my clutch bell. Thankfully and very much appreciated, Ozace donated his Dominator 20cc parts, of which many are the same as the OD26, including the clucth bell. So I was back in the air within a few days. Thanks a heap Oz.
I'm on the verge of changing to synthetic oil, Castrol TTS. My current ratio with mineral oil is 32:1 and a little rich on the needles. Should I keep the same ratio with synthetic and lean the needles or reduce the oil/fuel ratio and leave the needles as they are? Cheers, kosta.
07-23-2008 01:18 PM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

I say leave the fuel mixture alone for a few tanks but you should be able to lean the oil to say about 40.1. what do the others think
07-24-2008 02:05 AM
 
 
ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

I am glad that the bits helped.
I setteled on 32:1 synthetic oil mix for my gas motors, i am always concerned about running too lean

we can never have too many, can we ?
07-24-2008 02:31 AM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

how did you end up with 32.1 why not 30.1 or 35.1, just wondering
07-24-2008 02:42 AM
 
 
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