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QuickWorldWide Ep and Wet Fuel Helis > Octane Dominator 26 with g231puh
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

Hi guys, well done kosta
I have put a few tanks only through mine. Having trouble stopping the tail wagging, have got it pretty good with a gyro swap, CSM 720 swapped to a JR5000t but still i think after I get rid of the vibration it will be fine. Noisy main gears , there is no way these things are round, almost imposable to mesh one hundred percent. I have also swapped the main gear for a JR ERGO 60 88 tooth gear, much more round and much smoother. Have also re clocked the clutch and got that much more true. Let you know after next flight, BEJEZUS this is one big scary bastard but it flys real good and how much torque would you like? Get back to you all after next flight
Cheers
04-01-2008 01:21 PM
 
 
kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Good work peekay! I'm having a hard time stopping the tail wagging too. I hovered my third tank this arvo trying different gain settings but the lower percentage I go, the wag gets more swing to it . When I up the gain the wag is shorter but faster. Tonight I went one hole in on the servo arm, so we'll see if that has any effect tomorrow. If not I'll try some different gyro tape to see if that helps. The thing with the gears, it's not that they aren't round, it's the mounting holes are drilled off center. Mine were like that and I fixed it by drilling the holes in the gears slightly larger, centering the hub and then tightening it in place. Mesh is spot on. I've nipped up the header bolts, engine mounting bolts and boom support bolts after each tank, keep an eye on yours. Thanks for keeping us posted. Kosta.
04-01-2008 02:00 PM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

For wagging...check the thrust bearings in the tail grips and make sure they are not binding up. I "cleaned out" a little material in the blade grips and reinstalled the bearings and tail wagging issues dissappeared.

Gas is Great
Quick OD 26
04-01-2008 04:57 PM
 
 
Quick Worldwide
rrAdvertiser
Location: Coopersburg, PA

Tail wag

Make sure the smaller OD of the thrust bearing are first in w/ the wider outer thrust plate last.
04-01-2008 05:57 PM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

That will also fix it, but I couldn't remember which one was the larger. SO...check the sizes of the inner and outer first....before you do any "material removing". I didn't realize that the sizes of the outer and inner are different when I did my "mod". QWW's solution is the proper one.

Gas is Great
Quick OD 26
04-01-2008 06:27 PM
 
 
kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Thanks for the input guys, I forgot to mention I had already checked the tail grip bearings after the first hover. I have the sport tail which has the plastic blade grips and standard bearings, no thrust bearings here. Everything in the tail moves freely when moved by hand so I'm leaning more towards the gyro, servo end of things as the cause. Thanks again for the advice and keep it coming , cheers kosta.
04-02-2008 12:09 AM
 
 
Quick Worldwide
rrAdvertiser
Location: Coopersburg, PA

ALL OUR KITS NOW ONLY COME WITH THRUST BB

I am not sure the thrust BBs make any difference...

You pay the post I send the bearing...QWW
04-02-2008 12:14 AM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

Flew it only shortly on Friday at dusk, hence only shortly, tail wag almost gone , mainly because it doesn't vibrate as bad after the different main gear. Cant wait for it to run in properly so I can lean it out and run the engine smoother, think that will get rid of all the tail wag, only seems to wag a little as it misses slightly. What a monster. Have also noticed after the main gear change that it winds down a lot quieter.
Cheers
04-06-2008 12:02 PM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

Most likely the original main gear would have run in just fine but just couldn't wait and had to prove something to myself.
04-06-2008 12:19 PM
 
 
kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Eating humble pie

Well after chasing my tail (pun intended ) wag for five tanks of fuel, I got it sorted. At first I tried about a hundred different gain settings to no avail, I then changed ball link position on the servo both closer to center and further from center with closer helping a little but still wagging. Decided to change tail servo to s9254, but still the wag was there. Getting frustrated, I decided to change out the tail with the one off my EP10 which fitted nicely.

With my fingers crossed, I lifted off into a hover and wadda ya know, the tail was rock solid! Now the first thing I had checked after the very first hover was the tail bearings and they were silky smoothe, I mean the blade grip would spin under its own weight. I also pulled on each grip whilst turning it to simulate the outwards force when it's running and it felt smoothe. This checking I did was when the tail was still on the heli, but after I put the EP10 tail on and it didn't wag, I went and checked the original tail whilst off the heli. Everything still felt really smoothe until I pulled on both blade grips at the same time and tried to rotate the hub between the two grips with my fingers, it was damn tight and notchy! So after all my stuffing around with gain, linkages etc. shuttle and QWW were right, check and double check those flaming blade grip bearings . Just goes to show how much load these bearings face. I'm not sure yet whether it's because my grips don't have thrust bearings or if the standard bearings are not suitable, but the EP10 grips don't have thrust bearings either so standards should be fine. I'll replace them and see what happens. Humble pie sure does taste bitter. Atleast hovering those five tanks wasn't boring .

peekay, if your tail doesn't improve, take it from me, check ya grips . The g231 I'm running seems like it has heaps of power and I'm pretty happy vibration wise, can't imagine the power of the g260. Hope we still have enough daylight left after work for more hovering. Kosta.
04-06-2008 02:19 PM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

fantastic will have a look tonight am hoping to get home way before the wife so I can be left alone for a while!
cheers
04-06-2008 11:47 PM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

Flew the beast for another tank this fine day until it rained. It is getting better all the time. I'm nearly ready to lean out the oil ratio, I'm running a lot of oil while i run it in. Few minor tweaks and its pretty good so far.
04-13-2008 09:47 AM
 
 
kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Started some forward flight today doing slow figure 8's, not used to flying something this big yet. Heart rate was a little elevated. I'm running the original tail again, the one that was binding in the grips, and the tail is holding well. I fixed the binding by adding another radial bearing in each grip, that makes three, and all is good since my tail didn't use thrust bearings. The bearing above the pinion moved up in the bearing block a little but was my fault because I only used locktite green instead of red . I repositioned using red locktite and it hasn't budged in three tanks. I took some photos today whilst in a hover, I'll put'em up tonight. Cheers, kosta.
04-17-2008 12:59 AM
 
 
ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

Good to hear it working out for you.

I would look for a better way to secure the bearings than red locktite.

we can never have too many, can we ?
04-17-2008 01:04 AM
 
 
kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Thanks Oz, yeah I would like something better than locktite too, I might do a search for flanged bearings. If I can find some the right size, it should work perfect. For now, the red seems to work well, I'll keep an eye on it.
04-17-2008 03:30 AM
 
 
peekay
New Heliman
Location: melbourne au

hi kosta sounds like your staring to have fun. they are a big bastard arent they. as you know i slotted my pinion bearing block, it hasnt moved at all yet.
04-17-2008 03:50 AM
 
 
kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Hi peekay, yeah I'm starting to move her around a bit now and you really "feel" the weight so to speak, sure is stable though. I like what you did with your bearing block, if I have problems and can't find flanged bearings I'll do the same as you. The Shellite I'm burning is working really well and I couldn't be happier. I keep the heli in the house and have no smell whatsoever, love it. I've run about 4 litres now so I may lean it a little on my next tank and refine my throttle curve a bit. I think I will invest in a governor after it's run in to help keep head speed constant.

Here's some photos I took today, nothing special, just hovering.
Cheers, kosta.

04-17-2008 01:14 PM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

Looks good kosta. I haven't had any problems with the bearings on mine. I did have a problem with a start bearing block on another heli that I had. I didn't fix it like Peekay did (which I think is a great fix) I did mine the barbaric way with a a hammer and punch.. Four "taps" and no problem with bearing again.

The governor is an excellent idea, but once you get the engine good and broken in, you can almost match the engine and pitch as good as the governor. It took me several gallons to get to that point though. I tried the TJPro and the RL10 with mine along with a Stator Gator. The TJPro didn't work at all, and I kind of figured it wouldn't. The RL10 would pulse the throttle if I activated it before the head was pretty much up to speed. I think the RL20 works much better...according to some of the posts I have read on RR. I finally got a GV-1 for mine and it works wonderfully. I didn't find it hard to set up at all. I think the GV-1 is a little slow for glow power, but works great with gas.

Gas is Great
Quick OD 26
04-19-2008 05:10 AM
 
 
kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Flew another tank today and started to feel more confident when suddenly, while hovering about 10 feet, the silicone tube connecting the header pipe and muffler blew out! I don't think I've ever dropped the collective stick so fast. I landed safely though so it's all good, can't say the same for my underpants. I went to fit another tube and had a quick look at the tail belt. To my surprise the belt is missing a number of teeth in several locations. I'm not sure why this has happend, the belt is quite loose and everything spins freely. Would the belt being too loose cause the teeth to break off? Now I'm in the market for a new belt, does anyone know if I could use another model belt ie. Raptor 90 etc, so I don't have to wait for one from overseas? Also, the one I have is brown in colour, just letting ya's know. I'm lucky I caught this before disaster struck. Thanks, kosta.
04-25-2008 09:18 AM
 
 
ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

Lucky save K, the raptors 60 and 90s use TT so no belts there. You may find a raptor 50 or titan belt may and i mean may fit if the teeth profile is the same.

we can never have too many, can we ?
04-25-2008 09:22 AM
 
 
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