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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Align 600N gasser conversion
 
 
copperclad
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Location: ..

hi
it's always good to have a couple of projects going so if you get hung up on one , waiting for parts , you can putz around with the other

so my second project has been working on this 600N conversion in my spare time , anyone who has been following my other thread , on the R-90 conversion will recognize the masonite frames and Zenoah G-20ei , i have basically run the same formula of scanning the stock frames into a graphic program and reworking the profile , i like to cut the trial frames in masonite as it is dirt cheap and really lets me see if i have built myself into a corner or not , sorry for the grainy photo , i just got it together tonight and wanted to share my progress , dana

01-28-2008 12:58 AM
 
 
ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

You have too much free time Keep up the great work

we can never have too many, can we ?
01-28-2008 01:05 AM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

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You have too much free time

hi ozace
i'm not so worried about the free time , as having too much fun

i have been bouncing this idea back and forth with fixit for the last couple of weeks , and about the second i could get started on it , i did , thanks , dana
01-28-2008 01:17 AM
 
 
Fixit
Veteran
Location: West Yorkshire UK

That could be classed as a work of art it could certainly hang on my wall
01-28-2008 01:18 AM
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copperclad
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Location: ..

hi Peter
thanks , i think this has been about the best heli project i have had the chance to work on , it has been great to work out the details , bouncing it back and forth with you , this 600 looks like it is going to be pretty happy with the 20 in it , cheers and thanks again , dana
01-28-2008 01:30 AM
 
 
raptor8
Heliman
Location: Canada

I would be interested in this combo. When you get it done and tested.
01-28-2008 01:54 AM
 
 
Fixit
Veteran
Location: West Yorkshire UK

Hi Dana,
Thanks it's been a pleasure I can asure you
01-28-2008 02:04 AM
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Fixit
Veteran
Location: West Yorkshire UK

[quote]I would be interested in this combo. When you get it done and tested.
I thinks you will be one of many, me included.
I wish I could pick horses out as easy
01-28-2008 02:11 AM
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Eyefly
Senior Heliman
Location: Charlotte, NC

Very interesting
01-28-2008 02:42 AM
 
 
jackheli
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver - Canada

This is amazing. Will be the killer gasser.

Wait and see lots of people following your conversion. Me included!

Thanks for doing it



Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new - Albert Einstein
01-28-2008 04:43 AM
 
 
Billme
Key Veteran
Location: MS

I like this proceed....
01-28-2008 05:01 AM
 
 
ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

As cool as this looked this morning, now that i have had a day to consider it you may be in for drama. I dont believe the Trex is built well enough to cope with the 20cc motor.
That being said i still cant wait to see how it turns out (i hope the raptor 60 gets done first though as i believe it is a more practical option)

So how does it fly

we can never have too many, can we ?
01-28-2008 05:10 AM
 
 
Fixit
Veteran
Location: West Yorkshire UK

[quote] dont believe the Trex is built well enough to cope with the 20cc motor.
But it wont be a T-Rex The frames will certanly be strong and the clutch is from a Raptor 90 and I Know they will stand up, so whats that leave the Bearings housings and bearings maybee, these can be updated.
01-28-2008 10:47 AM
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copperclad
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Location: ..

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I dont believe the Trex is built well enough to cope with the 20cc motor.

hi ozace
you bring up a very good point , i have been reading the 600n forum since i got started on this idea and have been wondering the same thing , from every thing i've read the 600n is one of the , if not , the lightest 50 size machines around , and with aggressive 3D flyers , it needs more maintenance , which is a nice way to say it wears out quickly , some of the stories of 12 flights before a major overhaul can have you wondering if Align actually built it out of taffy , at the same time i am seeing threads on the Align forum , of a 600n with a .90 nitro and stretch kit for 710mm blades

alot of the kit looks very good , three main bearings , two above and one under the main gears , 10mm main shaft , all look very good to me

and as Peter pointed out , forget any problems with the clutch and drive train as the entire align drivetrain has been binned , with the exception of the pinion teeth

mostly with me , i had been looking at the 600n and really liking it , and with these conversions the only way to find out is for someone to jump in and get wet , and since i was in the middle of the R-90 conversion , i felt that gave me a unique position , as every thing i using on the 90 was looking good to use on the 600 as well , and it is funny , as i work on the 600 , i am seeing the Raptor as overkill , not so much for a 260 or 231 , but for the 20 it starts to look a bit too heavy duty , and with the pair of machines it is going to take getting both finished and in the air , to get a feel for which one is closer to the ideal size for this little engine

i have been watching all the R-90 conversions for over a year , and carefully picking up pieces here and there , and looking forward to jumping in , but i have to say , since starting on the 600 , i have had a bad case of 600 fever , and with both conversions running neck and neck at this point , i am leaning towards finishing the 600 first , and i have to mention with my location in upstate New York , i still have an easy two months before flying season opens , and at the rate these are going , i should have both of them ready to go this spring , thanks again , dana


[EDIT] about twenty minutes after posting this it occured to me there is a whole other area i should mention , i am pretty carefull , in my posts , to mention i am just a sport pilot at best , and that being said , my interest in this machine is goes along those lines

i have had the opportunity to see aggressive 3D flyers pushing machines around , and it is pretty impressive to see just how severe the loading on a 3D machine appears , in comparison the loading on a sport machine seems quite mild , and this has encouraged me to think , that for the type of flying i am interested in , the 600 will hold up fine , my main interest is in a smaller gasser than is currently available , so this project is mostly about my interest in looking into the possibility of a smaller machine , and of coarse the fun of trying to carry off such a project
01-28-2008 12:29 PM
 
 
Fixit
Veteran
Location: West Yorkshire UK

Well put Dana
I was going to point out in my last post that lots of 600s have now had the 90 conversion and are standing up to hard 3D in some cases, and now people are even talking about using a 120, also we shouldn’t forget the 600e takes more punishment than the 20cc is going to give it apart from the possible vibration issue with the gasser that is.

This hobby needs people like cooperclad to step into the unknown and that’s why the hobby is where it is today.
I take my hat off to copperclad and I’m behind him all the way on this one.

Even Billme likes it
01-28-2008 01:02 PM
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Dr. Fibinotchi
Key Veteran
Location: Sioux Falls SD

hmm

Good luck on the project. Seems more and more make mods like these. Its good to see people thinking outside the box.


-Cody

All that a man achieves and all that he fails to achieve is the direct result of his own thoughts
01-28-2008 03:55 PM
 
 
Eyefly
Senior Heliman
Location: Charlotte, NC

Even if this project comes up short, it would be neet to see what happens when the new Align .90 airframe is released in the near future. Perhaps this work better in a larger/stronger airframe.
01-28-2008 04:02 PM
 
 
Billme
Key Veteran
Location: MS

This 20 cc engine might surprise us..Is going to be smooth, and will run more rpm than the 231 because of its size...I built a 18cc one time and it was smooth and liked high rpm, but it was in a plane..
Do it, and good luck.. Yes I like this kinda stuff...
Bill
01-28-2008 04:32 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

thanks Bill , Cody and Eyefly

it is great to see that people are interested in this project , i was thinking that maybe i was just crazy , actually there is little risk to the kit as the only part i have sacrificed so far is boring out the stock pinion , other that that it is just the cost of the masonite and alloy i cut for the new frame , and my time

i feel like once i get an idea in my head , and have spent enough time thinking about it , the only cure is to jump in and see , and these conversions are that way for sure , you really can't figure your way all the way though them and be sure it will work , untill you actually jump in and try it , i have the shop and find working on a project to be pretty relaxing , and i have been finding it is very interesting to work my way though the problems , thanks again , dana
01-28-2008 05:12 PM
 
 
jfint
Senior Heliman
Location: Simi Valley, CA

I'm interested also, I think when done this could be the next great thing in gassers, I see real potential in this conversion for an aerobatic gasser. Going to be very exciting to see the first flight reports.

Keep us posted when you have the chance, and thanks for being one of the special designer people I wish I could be ;-)
01-28-2008 05:34 PM
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