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gian
Senior Heliman
Location: AZ

Yeah- I'm guessing that right around $200 would have had MOST people trying this out. They've still shut out a good portion of the market at over $300... IMO of course... It has caused me to sit in the back and not jump on it, that's for sure. That said, I hope it does well and I can't wait for some real world reviews!
04-09-2008 01:30 AM
 
 
gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

Errr it IS cheaper than the V Bar. Best price I found for the V Bar has been 650US, I see $329.99 as being a few dollars over half the cost, sheesh......

If you bling it, they will come :D
04-09-2008 01:56 AM
 
 
gian
Senior Heliman
Location: AZ

I don't think anyone said that it's not cheaper than the V-bar. I just think there would be a whole group of people that would buy into this if it were in a different price bracket.

EDIT: I'm totally not complaining! Just had a different vision. Trust me- I know how to spend my earnings And fast, too, I might add. From what I've seen, this thing rocks and I'm sure it will do well as-is.
04-09-2008 02:12 AM
 
 
gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

I hear you, and yes your right.
But there is a huge amount of tech involved to get this right, and no'one can give them away.
Im seeing that flybarless systems will continue to drop in price as they become more popular.
More turnover for the manufacturer means they can recoup development costs and then lower the price to get more units out the door.
Once initial costs are recouped, well then its up to them if they want to sell lots for a small margin, or only a few for a larger margin. The former is the best business plan, as they will make more profit in the long run, and then have happy customers who get value for money too.
I for one, am very pleased to see this systems price, and once some real world testers report back, I will be making my little 450 weapon flybarless
Cheers

If you bling it, they will come :D
04-09-2008 02:50 AM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

OK, I finished writing checks to the IRS today, and had some left over, so I ordered one of these systems. I know I said I was going to wait, but I decided to bite the bullet and give it a shot. Hopefully it turns out well for me. Now I just need to decide what to put it in. Pred Gasser, 600N, or Xtreme 50.


Nick Crego
Back off man, I'm a scientist.
04-09-2008 07:31 PM
 
 
Rhino
Heliman
Location: down under

I cant wait to hear some real world feedback on this, the vids look awesome.I was just about to buy a V-bar but think I will put on hold and see the developments of both this and the gyrobot.
04-10-2008 03:54 AM
 
 
Clearance
Veteran
Location: Left Coast Canada

I volunteered to be an "end-user" of the SK-360 several months ago.

Results to date:

a) modifying two helis was very easy and inexpensive (Kalt 30 size; Hirobo Evo 50), both nitros with mCCPM;

b) partitioning my HD and using "Boot Camp" to install Windows XP on my iMac was much more challenging;

c) having no experience with flybarless systems lead to a sharp learning curve (read as: I had to read the instructions and comprehend what to do);

d) installation was straight forward with the default settings being a very good starting point. This system appears to be the easiest to adjust and use;

e) The Kalt 30 is not flying (I have posted pics of the system, but no one on RR was willing to comment on it; I believe I do not have enough cyclic pitch; using one on my T-Rex 600N would have been a much better choice);

f) The Hirobo Evo 50 is flying so well, right from the get-go!!! I LOVE it. I had no difficulties adjusting to a flybarless system. My "fears" of using gyros on cyclic evaporated once the heli was in the air; it's like adjusting to HH on the tail, very predictable. Further testing is necessary as I've not pressed the Evo 50 hard. There appears to be a power increase, leading to better overall performance. However, I have not A/B this.

Hope this helps,

Ken
04-10-2008 04:38 AM
 
 
Rhino
Heliman
Location: down under

ken,
thank you for your honest comments. Looks like this might be a winner.
04-10-2008 04:43 AM
 
 
gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

did you have any issues with vibration at all? Do you think it would handle the vibes from a gasser heli?

If you bling it, they will come :D
04-10-2008 04:44 AM
 
 
Clearance
Veteran
Location: Left Coast Canada

Gorn,
I can't answer the question about vibration. I do know that the gyro is subjected to a considerable amount of vibration in the nitros. Just on the ground, putting my hand on it, it's shaking. Now there's two pieces of double sided tape being used to attach it to the frame. I was also concern about the vibration levels; however, HH gyros for the tail are in the same environment and I have never had one fail.

I have two proto-type units and the developer has had a custom case made for the SK-360. He believes that the new case will relieve stress on the cables leading out of the gyro, preventing possible failure.

I have had considerable confidence in the developer; he has spent over a half year on this project. Thorough testing has been done. It was a massive undertaking!

My involvement has been at arm's length. I would not have been a very reliable and honest "end-user" if I had know him. I have met him only once (and my mother was with me )!

Ken
04-10-2008 05:11 AM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Got the ship notice for mine today. The gasser question will soon be answered, I'm going to try it on my Predator.


Nick Crego
Back off man, I'm a scientist.
04-10-2008 12:42 PM
 
 
gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

Thanks for the info Clearance

Eury
cant wait to hear your results

If you bling it, they will come :D
04-10-2008 12:55 PM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

I"ll probably try it on something a bit less expensive first, so it may be a few weeks before you get a gasser report, but I will try it on the gasser. Luckily, I have a spare head for the Pred, so it'll be easy to swap.


Nick Crego
Back off man, I'm a scientist.
04-10-2008 01:16 PM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Sure its somewhat cheaper than a V-bar but it only controls two axes.

The V-bar doesn't require a separate tail gyro...
Still waiting for someone to post some detailed results for this one...

still looks interesting...
04-10-2008 08:22 PM
 
 
bahamadude
Senior Heliman
Location: Nassau, Bahamas

flybarless

Hmm I still would go with the Vbar its only just under $100.00 less. For simplicity Vbar.
04-10-2008 09:12 PM
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

V-Bar... V-Bar ($700) plus tail servo (min $100)... min $800

SK360... SK360 ($350 [shipped]) plus gyro/tail servo combo (say G7703D/8900G at $260)... $610

So, more like a $200 difference.

V-Bar... Two boxes

SK360... One box plus tail gyro... Two boxes

I agree with above statements that getting these flybarless units down to the $200 level would really open up the market.

- John

Protos -- Logo 10
04-10-2008 09:27 PM
 
 
Andika
Senior Heliman
Location: Europe

I was ship an email to Skookum Robotics but they didnt answer to me about paypal order
04-10-2008 10:26 PM
 
 
Unpoor
Heliman
Location: Ange Sweden

With the dollar dropping like a stone it,s realy hard NOT to buy anything crusin heli pages and this.. yumm .. ordered one in a jiff :-)

going on a Rex 600N direct link and I guess I will move in the linkballs on the servos and or stretch the bladegrip ball mount, dont whant mixer arms.. kinda love the idea of simple stuff...
will try to get up swashmix to atleast 50%, why buy a new DXx radio and then reduse movement about 20years? :-)

Futaba 9252 servos is in now and I hope they will do.. on 6V align regulator.

usually less stuff is better, I hope this one rocks..

dont you luve the idea? when you crash.. u dont need to replace your wacked cf paddles and trying to straighten that neeearly straight rood!! cool

T-Rex 600N Pro SK360, Hurricane 550, T-Rex Hybrid, DX7
04-10-2008 10:36 PM
 
 
george0079
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Firma

WOOHOO.... Mine showed up today

The older I get, the shorter my attention....... Oh look. A shiny penny..

Steve
04-12-2008 10:31 PM
 
 
Bruce2.5D
Heliman
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Hi All,

There has been as small change to the SK360's manual. In section 11, page 14, the new text reads:

"11 Flight with the SK-360 Gyro
In flight mode, the swashplate will not respond to the controls directly. Its action will be similar to a heading-hold tail gyro.

After it has been static for a few seconds, it will level the swash during spool up to ensure a stable take off. When you land your heli, always wait at least 5 seconds after the rotor spools down before spooling up again, so the gyro knows the helicopter is spooling up. Avoid moving the cyclic stick during spool-up, to prevent confusing the gyro when it’s not able to fly."

What the manual was missing before, is that when you land and let the heli spool down, you should wait 5 seconds before reving er' up again.

The reason for this "lock down" feature during spool up is that the vibration during spool up for the first 2 seconds can be extreme (you should see the graphs), and go beyond - way beyond - the measurement range of any gyro's sensor. This can result in the gyro trying to "correct" a false cyclic error as soon as it can, which can be bad. If it's given a chance to know it's taking off from static, the lock-down feature will silently prevent that.
04-12-2008 10:56 PM
 
 
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