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e-E-Sky Honey Bee- Lama- Belt CP- E-Smart > Correct me if i'm wrong

ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

while i wait for my belt cp's new gears and center hub sets i've been reading all kind of "How to..." and the manual but i still wan't to make sure of some questions.

I will tell you here how i think i adjust the pitch and if i'm wrong please correct me=)

Main Blade and Paddle pitch adjusting:

1 - i must set the fly bar paddle parallel with the tail boom in the horizontal.

2 - unplug the motor to avoid accident, turn on the helicopter then i move the throtle in normal mode to the center. with the stick centered i shall have paddle pitch and main blade pitch at 0 rigt? correct me if i'm wrong.

3 - if i have the controller in idle up mode the pitch of the blades and fly bar should be 0 as well when centered right?

4 - what are the values for negative and positive pitch for a belt cp in normal mode?

5 - 4 - what are the values for negative and positive pitch for a belt cp in idle up mode?

01-18-2008 06:32 AM

shizack
Key Veteran
Location: Augusta, GA USA

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Fluorescent Flyer: Correct me if i'm wrong

while i wait for my belt cp's new gears and center hub sets i've been reading all kind of "How to..." and the manual but i still wan't to make sure of some questions.

I will tell you here how i think i adjust the pitch and if i'm wrong please correct me=)

Main Blade and Paddle pitch adjusting:

1 - i must set the fly bar paddle parallel with the tail boom in the horizontal.

Set the fly bar itself parallel with the boom - you can set the paddles later.

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2 - unplug the motor to avoid accident, turn on the helicopter then i move the throtle in normal mode to the center. with the stick centered i shall have paddle pitch and main blade pitch at 0 rigt? correct me if i'm wrong.

Close - the tx needs to be in idle up, then centered for 0º pitch.

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3 - if i have the controller in idle up mode the pitch of the blades and fly bar should be 0 as well when centered right?

Yar, matey.

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4 - what are the values for negative and positive pitch for a belt cp in normal mode?

Dunno 'bout the Belt, but the King tends to be -1º - +10º.

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5 - 4 - what are the values for negative and positive pitch for a belt cp in idle up mode?

Again, Belt dunno, King's around -8½º - +8½º. As long as it's around there or more, the same both ways, it's all good.

Pumping your fist and yelling, "COME ON!!!" does not increase battery charge rate.

01-18-2008 07:54 AM

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Gregor99
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Wa

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-8½º - +8½º

Interesting. I was able to get -12 to +12. That's more than I thought the head our my skills could capibly use, so I have the radio set to +10 to -10 for idle up and -3 to +10 for normal. I do get a fair amount of bogging when I apply full collective. Also a little finer control in the collective wouldn't hurt. Perhaps I should back it down to +8.4. What is everyone else running?

01-18-2008 08:14 AM

shizack
Key Veteran
Location: Augusta, GA USA

I'm still using the stock tx, so the pitch range limitation is probably in there somewhere.

If only Align would make a tx, the pitch and throttle curves would set themselves; the battery would never die; it would put the heli back into a hover at the first sign of trouble...

Pumping your fist and yelling, "COME ON!!!" does not increase battery charge rate.

01-18-2008 08:33 AM

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ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

hm thank you for your help=) well i don't like the esky stock transmitter, should i buy a futuba transmitter? well i'm still a beginner, does it matter?

01-18-2008 11:07 AM

shizack
Key Veteran
Location: Augusta, GA USA

It isn't gonna matter "a lot". I'd suggest using the stock tx until you can hover proficiently, if you're a beginner. A computer tx won't be much use to you until you know what it is you need to change to get the heli where you want it to be.

Kind of like buying a map before you know where you want to go. I've had a computer tx, and it is great, but I knew what I wanted out of it. Barring electronic or mechanical defects, the stocker is more than sufficient to take you through hovering and FF. If you don't know what FF is, don't get a computer tx.

Been flying the King on a stock tx since mid October with no issues.

Pumping your fist and yelling, "COME ON!!!" does not increase battery charge rate.

01-18-2008 11:19 AM

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DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

I concur with Shizack 100%, I usually do.

A computer radio is better than the stock radio but I have been using the stock radio since day one but I learned to Fly it first. ALOT more has to do with the pilot and piloting skillz than most people care to admit.

01-18-2008 11:28 AM

shizack
Key Veteran
Location: Augusta, GA USA

Well, thank you, Doug. We seem to be transmitting on the same channel more often than not.

If you know the difference between expo and dual rates; and between throttle and pitch curves, and what they do, then MAYBE it's time to look at a programmable TX.

Pumping your fist and yelling, "COME ON!!!" does not increase battery charge rate.

01-18-2008 11:41 AM

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tryan02
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Location: Canton, Missouri

Ok I'll Ddisagree to keep the thread going.

If your gonna be in this hobby a while a good radio is a great investment. The 2 big advantages youll find is 1 the feel of a higher end radio the smooth gimbals and the grip of the radio just feels much better. 2 the adjustment of pitch and throttle curves after you start flying idleup are a must. Actually theres a 3 If you buy a 2.4ghz you'll run glitch free. So if you got $200 laying around the Futaba 6EX is a great buy I bought it when I just learned hovering and don't regret it one bit.

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.

01-18-2008 11:41 AM

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tryan02
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Location: Canton, Missouri

take that dougie and bladeslap I mean shizack.

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.

01-18-2008 11:43 AM

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ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

i know that the transmitter is not that important specially for a beginner but i have the walkera 5g4 transmitter and the esky stock belt cp and the walekra transmitter is way more confortable than the esky stock transmitter that's why... not that im expecting not to crash just because of the transmitter xp i don't even know how to make the blades track correctly =(, how do i see if they're tracking correctly? just making them work in the ground before lift will work?
bah... i had my first crash i got almost every spare parts for a REALLY nice price, but i broke the center hub=( and i don't have it... another thing is: here in portugal i don't have stores with esky belt cp so i have to buy parts from hong kong, anyway could i change the esky head to the trex's 450 head?

01-18-2008 11:46 AM

ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

well i can get this one:

http://www.esky-heli.com/futaba-6ex...p-1-pr-896.html

for 135 USD

i will be for a while here, i know what you're talking about pitch curves in idle up mode, i saw the rrTV - Pitch Curves 101.wmv

01-18-2008 11:49 AM

ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

another question: what is the advantage of 2.4ghz radio frequency?

01-18-2008 11:52 AM

shizack
Key Veteran
Location: Augusta, GA USA

Bladeslap? Bladeslap!? OK T-boz, you're #1 on the list.

To back up my points, a computer tx to a heli-noobie is like a Unix system to a cyber-illiterate.
More configurable/personalize-able? Yes.
Able to tweak to personal perfection? Yes.

More questions than apparent answers? YesYes.

A good TX is definitely the best investment you can make in RC, but know what the question is before you attempt to identify the answer. 42, anyone? A house is also the biggest, potentially best investment you can make, period. Should you buy a house, with all it's inherent twists, turns, and confusing issues before renting? That's up to you, but know what you're getting into before you close the deal.

I still say stick with the stock TX until you can personally identify the shortcomings. They are plentiful, no doubt, but know them before you try to fix them. A clueless person with a full box of top-notch tools is less effective than a seasoned, experienced mechanic with a paper clip and a roll of duct tape.

Pumping your fist and yelling, "COME ON!!!" does not increase battery charge rate.

01-18-2008 12:01 PM

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ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

yes i know all that...

i will make the investment after hovering the belt cp correctly=)

01-18-2008 12:07 PM

DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

I simply could not have said it better myself.

01-18-2008 12:08 PM

fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

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It isn't gonna matter "a lot". I'd suggest using the stock tx until you can hover proficiently, if you're a beginner. A computer tx won't be much use to you until you know what it is you need to change to get the heli where you want it to

sorry I couln't disagree more....a radio will make flying MUCH easier....you will feel a difference IMMEDIATLY......you can fine tune curves to your taste...add expo to smooth out a hover....the gimbals and pots are much nicer and wont wear out in a few months,if you go 2.4 not worry about glitching and frequency problems,plus you can save money by buying barebones kits and you dont have to buy a crappy rtf radio everytime you want a heli....just my 2c

when I got my FUTABA I was only hovering a BLADE CP tail in....and it made a HUGE difference...in the way that POS flew......made my flying improve quickly also

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01-18-2008 12:42 PM

shizack
Key Veteran
Location: Augusta, GA USA

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The fella that needs humbuckers and a coil tap switch: sorry I couln't disagree more....a radio will make flying MUCH easier....you will feel a difference IMMEDIATLY......you can fine tune curves to your taste...add expo to smooth out a hover....the gimbals and pots are much nicer and wont wear out in a few months,if you go 2.4 not worry about glitching and frequency problems,plus you can save money by buying barebones kits and you dont have to buy a crappy rtf radio everytime you want a heli....just my 2c

You are correct BUT, until you now what all those settings mean and do, you will have a great feeling controller that either makes your heli shoot into the sky like a rocket or sit there spinning like a top at 2600 rpm. I'm all about identifying a question BEFORE attempting implementing an answer. If you're completely clueless, you'll end up with a tx full of useless settings and a pile of broken parts that used to resemble a helicopter model.

Would you recommend a 36 channel mixing board with 2 aux sends, built-in effects, a 4-channel sub-mix, a mono channel with sub out, and 2 monitor sends to someone who's having trouble working a chromatic tuner?

Pumping your fist and yelling, "COME ON!!!" does not increase battery charge rate.

01-18-2008 12:53 PM

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fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

point taken...but that stock tx is gonna wear out sooner than later....why not learn now...and use the benefits of a good tx?there are two sides with good points on each.....but there is no doubt that is good radio is one of the best/first investments one should make if you are in this hobby for the long haul

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well i'm still a beginner, does it matter?

this is the original question....and in short ...IT DOES MATTER

eventually the stock tx will start to go nuts with glitching/dead spots and thats a whole new set of problems to/diadnose/fix/correct

PerformancePlusRC field rep
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Mini Titan/SE
HBK2
Futaba FASST

01-18-2008 12:59 PM

shizack
Key Veteran
Location: Augusta, GA USA

My drummer very seldom makes sense, much less speaks coherently, but he did come up with one pearl of wisdom:
"Don't write a song you can't play."

Don't buy a piece of technology you can't program/control.

How do you get a drummer off your porch? Pay him for the pizza.
What do you call a guy who hangs around with musicians? A drummer.

Pumping your fist and yelling, "COME ON!!!" does not increase battery charge rate.

01-18-2008 01:01 PM

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