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Kyosho Caliber 30 & 60 - Concept - Nexus > Calibers for 2008
 
 
tommi78
Heliman
Location: Piikkio Finland

On japanise side of Kyosho website is some pictures these long waited Calibers. Not sure those names tough.

Caliber 6

http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/...oduct_id=103147

Caliber 4 FT

http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/...oduct_id=103153

Caliber EP 700

http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/products/...oduct_id=103149
01-02-2008 05:39 PM
 
 
Henrik_Jonhed
Heliman
Location: Sweden

I must say I am a little disappointed at the Caliber 6... I had hoped of something like the 600N or Xtreme 50.

Difference between Caliber 5 and 6? Here is what I have find out using babelfish... If you know more, please add it to the list

* Gear ratio 9:1
* EMS comes as standard
* Metal seesaw (?)
* New tail assembly
* Longer flybar
* 440cl tank
* New decals
* No headertank

So the good thing is that we can transform our C5's into C6's just by buying some upgrade parts... and that's great

I think I will buy the metal seesaw and the tail assembly when they are available. Maybe the decals too...
01-02-2008 07:42 PM
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aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Mexico City

I belive there is no more Kyoshos for me in the future, I'm ready and expecting a REAL nice 90 deal like the next 700N or N9 (less than a $1,000) for the next year, not the ridiculous expensive Caliber FAI 90FT at $3,700 US. At least, they should be release a big block conversion for the Caliber 5 for the rest of Us who fly at 5000 ft above sea level.

Happy new year for all of you guys!

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
01-02-2008 08:35 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Caliber 6 is a 50 with pull-pull rudder and a larger fuel tank, it appears. 440cc vs 340. Was hoping for a 60-ship that something like an OS 70 would turn into a lively specimen. EMS linkage kit becomes standard equipment instead of optional.

Caliber 4 FT looks to be the Caliber 4 with new paddles and perhaps blades. Didn't see much new over the stock 4. Says you can turn 570 mm MR blades. No pictures under the canopy, perhaps some additional CNC bling in place of stock plastic. Metal yoke is nice and back to a real flybar instead of the 4's plastic wonder.

The EP700 is new. Looks like a Caliber 4 with electric power. Nice EMS adaptation of the 4, said to swing 570 mm blades. Metal yoke, apparently pull-pull rudder. 2X 3800-4800 mah 11.1 volt batteries. Not sure if this is a 6S1P or a 3S2P arrangement. Need to see more specific info.

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Dave
01-03-2008 12:20 AM
 
 
F3CWNB
Senior Heliman
Location: Napier, New Zealand

Caliber 6 on one hand and Caliber 5 ver M on the other, I would take the ver M for my sort of flying. I wouldn't think there is much to be gained by the push pull tail...

'Life' is Looking Up!!!
01-03-2008 09:16 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

The pull-pull system might be a marked improvement over the existing setup in the Caliber series.

First, I would think the much maligned Z-bend is a thing of the past. (Unless the implementation uses TWO identical rods with a Z-bend at the front.... ).

Second, on my Caliber 4, I had to take a Dremel tool and an X-acto knife to the area of the tail case around near the front and rear ends of the slot, to make clearance for the plastic ball link when it is near its full throw. The arc of the arm as it goes through its travels tends to cause the ball link to bottom out against the tail case, binding up the servo.

The C5's with this newer tail case version would benefit from the same tail upgrade. The older tail case design as used on the Caliber 30, and as initially introduced on the Caliber 5, was less "beefy", and there was no interference between the case and the ball link.

The pull-pull rudder control would be a plus on any of the existing Calibers.

It would appear that for the time being, Kyosho is going to experiment with variations of the Caliber 4 and Caliber 5.

The FT version of the 4 seems to follow in the footsteps of the Caliber 30 and its FT version. Same basic heli, just some additional CNC parts in place of molded plastic, producing a heli that is much more expensive, but not providing a marked improvement overall in performance.

I don't know how many different variants of the 4 and 5 are needed when some of the effort could be directed toward a reasonably priced "60" sized Caliber with a simple growth path to putting a 90 in place of the 60.

The unknown part of the equation is how readily available will any of these variants be to the US market. Right now, looking at ALL of the Kyosho offerings, the only kits that are easily obtained in the states are the 4, the 5, the grossly expensive 90, and the 450V. Everything else, though available, or soon to be, seems to be destined for the Asian market, not the US market. Even the 90 has to be special ordered, so it's not readily available.

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Dave
01-03-2008 03:22 PM
 
 
F3CWNB
Senior Heliman
Location: Napier, New Zealand

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First, I would think the much maligned Z-bend is a thing of the past.

I agree that the Z bends are a bit of an eye-sore on a modern heli but to be honest, I didn't even bother removing it on my ver M. I may be hard on the eye, but it works, & I have never seen one fail no matter how worn... it is pretty easy to change a servo arm when it is worn (having said that they seem to last well on the rudder any way).

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I had to take a Dremel tool and an X-acto knife to the area of the tail case around near the front and rear ends of the slot...

The advantage with the Z bend (up front) is that you can then leave the rod end at the tail box in such an angle that it does not foul on the case, it won't turn back because the Z bend stops the whole rod from turning.

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The pull-pull rudder control would be a plus on any of the existing Calibers.

Im not trying to argue with any one but I am just as happy with the simple single rod. The single rod may suffer from a little extra slop, but the push pull is a little more complex and will have a little more fricton. On the rudder esp I would far rather have a little slop (and keep it simple) than a little xtra friction.


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I don't know how many different variants of the 4 and 5 are needed when some of the effort could be directed toward a reasonably priced "60" sized Caliber with a simple growth path to putting a 90 in place of the 60.

I could not have said that better myself...

As for my ver M, I think it is a fantastic "park flyer"

...does nice rolls...

'Life' is Looking Up!!!
01-04-2008 05:27 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

That's not exactly true about not having to modify the tail case to clear the plastic ball link if you use the Z-bend up front.

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I have a C5 and its tail case is the older version that is straight off the Caliber 30. None of my three Caliber 30's OR my C5 had a clearance problem between the tail case and the plastic ball link at the rear.

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The tail rotor case on the Caliber 4 is a new version, one that showed up after the initial Caliber 5 kits were shipped.

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The early C5 kits were shipped with the same tail rotor cases that were used on the Caliber 30. There were quite a few reports of nearly instantaneous failures of the TR case on some of those early C5s. The actual cause was due to running longer, heavier TR blades on the C5 than were run on the Caliber 30. People didn't bother to balance the TR assembly out of the box. The added mass of the C5 tail rotor system, when unbalanced, pushed the TR case to the failure limit. Vibration fatigued the plastic at the transition joint between the TR tube and the rear half of the case that holds the TR shaft and bearings.

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Although balancing the TR system would have cured this problem and allowed the original Caliber 30 cases to be used (my original C5 has gone through its second season without a hint of TR case failure, and it has the original Caliber 30 style cases), Kyosho chose to modify the tail rotor case by adding two horizontal ribs on each side of the tail case.

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They started shipping those with the later C5 kits, and in the Caliber 4 kits.

When I built my C4 this fall, I found that the placement of the lower rib on the left side of the TR case limits the full throw of the TR pitch slider lever because the plastic ball link runs into the rib as it moves to full forward throw. The Z-bend has nothing to do with the geometry back there, because of the two pushrod guides that are installed between the Z-bend and the rear-end ball link. You can move the Z-bend end wherever you want, you won't affect the clearance at the rear of the pushrod because that clearance is determined by the placement of the rearmost pushrod guide. That guide sets the distance between the boom (and tail rotor case) and the pushrod. Moving the Z-bend can't change this distance with the guides in place.

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Earlier this year, I set up a fellow's C5 (which had the "new" TR case). I had binding problems at the TR case, and found the same problem -- the plastic ball link runs into the lower rib on the left side of the TR case. I had to modify the case to make clearance for the link to allow full rudder travel without binding.

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Yes, the Z keeps the rod from rotating, so that the plastic ball link always stays in the same relative position, no matter what the heli does. Unfortunately, the steel ball is mounted vertically on the bottom side of the pitch slider bellcrank, and the plastic link snaps onto it so that it is horizontal, (parallel to the bottom of the skids. In this position, the plastic link interferes with the lower rib on the TR case.

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I've not had any trouble with the Z-bends, my many year-old Caliber 30's attest to that. And yes, the servo arm hole does get bigger with time. I've just lived with that until recently.

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Of late, I've contemplated just whacking off the Z-bend, and using a 2mm die to thread the end, add a ball link, and do away with the Z completely. I haven't done it, only contemplated it, as I'd have to order a die to do the job. (LHS sucks here in Cedar Rapids).

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I don't believe the pull-pull system adds any friction, it's actually a much better design (a vertical shaft supported by two ball bearings), is more precise, is used on the flagship Caliber 90 kits, and recently found its way into the small 450V electric from Kyosho.

It's one of those "nice" stock design features that comes at little added cost overall, and sets the new Caliber designs apart from the rest of the world.

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Still, it would be nice to see more effort go into fielding an affordable "60/90" heli, than guilding the lily by cranking out endless variants of the 50-sized heli.

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Dave
01-04-2008 06:03 AM
 
 
cbflys
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Islip, Long Island NY - USA

Dave,

You can use a 2-56 die which is available at most hardware stores. I did that with my C5.

Chuck
01-04-2008 03:14 PM
 
 
irocu88
Senior Heliman
Location: norfolk,va

The push pull design comes on the Caliber 90 and Zg. It is extreemely smooth and there is less friction than on the single rod setup, this is definite up grade.

Jeff

Caliber 90 FT os91 c-spec
Caliber 50, OS50 hyper
Caliber 30 OS37
01-04-2008 03:59 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

I'll check the local hardware stores for a 2-56 die. Unfortunately, 2-56 hardware (4-40 for that matter) seems to be difficult to come by anymore at local shops. Cedar Rapids, sometimes it seems, ISN'T on the cutting edge of technology, in spite of the fact it is the home to a world-class, major avionics design, manufacturing, and distribution center -- Rockwell Collins.

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Dave
01-04-2008 04:08 PM
 
 
aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Mexico City

Dave,

I get mine from Towerhobbies for $20 (die and handle)
he goes the link:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...p?&I=LXR765&P=7

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
01-05-2008 03:22 PM
 
 
Off2fly
Heliman
Location: Los Angeles

Hey Caliber Fans !!

I was at kyosho America HQ yesterday, and was told that the Cal 6 in kit form and Cal 700 will be out sometime spring.
01-05-2008 10:34 PM
 
 
aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Mexico City

Like Auroras... soon.
Have they mention you an estimated price range for the 700? I hope they are less than a K.

In between the sport and 3D heli market will be dominated by TRexes.

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
01-06-2008 12:39 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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Have they mention you an estimated price range for the 700?

The Kyosho website says 63,000 Yen is the list price. Currency converters put that at $579 (USD). No motor, no ESC, no main rotor blades.

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As a reference, the list price for the Caliber 5 ARF, is 56,700 Yen, conversions show that to be $521 (USD). You can actually buy this kit for about $260.

The Caliber 4 is listed at 49,350 Yen, converts to $454 (USD). You can actually buy this kit for about $230 (USD).

The Caliber 450V (EP) is listed at 38,850 Yen, converts to $357 (USD). You can actually buy this kit for $269 (USD).

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Based on the above numbers, it would appear that the kit will sell for a tiny bit more than the Caliber 5 ARF. Looks like you could pick one up for maybe $280 - $300. All things considered, a reasonable price, but since it's roughly a Caliber 4, it would seem that it should sell for something between the street price of the 4 and the 5, perhaps $240 - $260.

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Looks like you'll also need to add something like the Align 600XL motor, a 75-80 amp ESC, probably a separate regulator for the radio, and main rotor blades -- 550 to 570 mm CF, as well as the usual radio goodies to get airborne. Batteries -- 3600 to 4800 mah LiPo 11.1 V X 2. Still don't know if it's a 6S1P or a 3S2P arrangement.

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Dave
01-06-2008 05:13 AM
 
 
Off2fly
Heliman
Location: Los Angeles

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Like Auroras... soon.

?????

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Have they mention you an estimated price range for the 700? I hope they are less than a K.

No price was mentioned.

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but since it's roughly a Caliber 4, it would seem that it should sell for something between the street price of the 4 and the 5, perhaps $240 - $260

Since the size is in between the Cal 4 and 5 numbers might be
a close estimate.
01-06-2008 03:06 PM
 
 
aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Mexico City

Dave, I'm refer to the .70 or .90 cc price models that mention Off2fly.

Off2, I mention the Avant Aurora as a reference only, I really want to see a cheap Caliber 70 or 90 before the Rexes arrive the market next summer in the US, otherwise an Align or Sinergy will be my choice.

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
01-06-2008 04:59 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Alien...


from Off2Fly

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I was at kyosho America HQ yesterday, and was told that the Cal 6 in kit form and Cal 700 will be out sometime spring.

The Caliber 6 is NOT a 70/90 sized heli, it is a warmed over Caliber 5, designed for a 50.

The 700 is an electric heli, based on the 30 sized Caliber 4. Not really sure WHERE Kyosho gets their designations from, as the new "700" is actually a "600" sized machine, it needs a "600" class electric motor, same as the Trex 600. The 3, 4, 5, 6 designation seems to be some weir numerical sequence not relating to anything readily apparent.

To date there appears to be no 60-90 sized, reasonably priced Kyosho heli on the horizon.

The Kyosho Japan site indicates that these new helis -- 4FT, 6, and 700 will be available in the March 2008 timeframe, much more definite than Augusto's "soon" date for the Aurora. Kyosho has been pretty good at meeting its published availability dates.

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Dave
01-06-2008 09:33 PM
 
 
Off2fly
Heliman
Location: Los Angeles

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The Caliber 6 is NOT a 70/90 sized heli, it is a warmed over Caliber 5, designed for a 50.

Its was designated as Cal 6 because it is in kit form not ARF, but it is exactly the same as Cal 5 minus the blades in the kit.

With regards to Cal 90, the rep did not mention any release date and pricing on the plastic version ship. Hopefully soon!

it would be nice to practice FAI-F3C manuevers on a cheaper version Caliber 90 before moving up to the top of the line ver.
01-07-2008 12:22 AM
 
 
aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Mexico City

Dave

I'm pretty confused, sorry!

Well, as I stated earlier, my next heli could be a muscle 90, it's a shame kyosho don't think to release a cheap 90 version for the mortals. Mexico city height above sea level is killing my .50's engines, I need to go more and more lean as I become more proficient and 30% nitro is really expensive too, almost $40 US a gallon.

Another option is to make an easy .70 big block coversion with a Trex 600 or a Pantera. Again, Kyosho engineers never think there are pilots who demands extra power to achieve same conditions like guys at level sea with equal powerhouses. Anyway other heli brands offer choices or are modification friendly.

I've recently seen a Caliber 5 flying nearly sea level, super nice heli with non hyper OS, mine... well, have you seen a pig on the wings?

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
01-07-2008 01:20 AM
 
 
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