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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > Big problem with new larger electric heli's

heliboy1023
Veteran
Location: Tinton Falls, NJ

Well, I think this hobby will have some new issues coming up this next year. With battery costs going down, and more 500 and 600 sized electrics, I think people aren't realizing the danger behind these machines. From what I have been reading, and hearing, people seem to think because these larger birds are electric, that they are safe to fly at local soccer fields, and parks. This, as I am sure some of us know, is not the case.

I have had some scary issues even flying my t-rex 450 at the local park where I have had groups of kids come and watch, and get close to it forcing me to punch out hard, and move well out of the way, and land it. God forbid if something failed, and I lost control, it could have been bad.

And after my 2 most recent crashes (one was a pcm lockout the other was my pinion slipping, both however at the local flying fields) I have decided to not fly at all at the local park anymore, and just drive the extra 10-20minutes to get to the field.

However, it seems like most people do not have my mentality on safety. I read from a different post how one person flys their 600e at their local soccer field and feels its safe since it is electric. It also seems most think that because it is electric it is safe.

I see this as becoming a problem, since these local fields aren't really protected to where you don't have to worry about some random kid running onto the field. Also when somthing goes wrong, at least at a local flying field, people are somewhat expecting a crash all the time, someone who isn't in the hobby doesn't know how far parts can fly.

I guess I'm just blowing off some steam right now after reading and hearing this new trend, but it still is worrying me.

You know you have to many heli's only when your wallet is empty.

12-17-2007 02:57 AM

krashtagain
Veteran
Location: ohio

I fly at on a football field , with all of my helis electric or nitro . When the people start gathering around I usually pack up and leave . Better safe than sorry . The best time to fly at places like that are thru the day when the kiddies are in school and their parents are at work .

Learn to 3D or die trying !!!!

12-17-2007 05:40 AM

TipSpeed
Senior Heliman
Location: Glenside / Telford PA

I fly at my local field with my electric and nitros. I'll fly my 450 at a park up the street from my house because there is never anyone there. And if there is people there I won't fly.

-so I called up twenty mike-mike and I rolled in for the pass

12-17-2007 02:08 PM

Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

This is the reason why all rc items and I mean all planes helis cars trucks boats are banned from our parks here. All because a few people thought its electric so its safe and have hit people/property and hence the ban. You used to be able and go sail your sail boat in the small lake in the park but not now if they ban one item they had to ban them all.

12-17-2007 02:26 PM

krashtagain
Veteran
Location: ohio

That's the American way , punish the majority for the minority .

Learn to 3D or die trying !!!!

12-17-2007 02:50 PM

CUJO
Heliman
Location: San Angelo, TX

The American way.

Not that this has anything to do with helicopters but I liked your comment on the "American Way" of punishing the right.

In my town, city council just inacted a fine for anyone that dosn't clean up the gang graffitti sprayed onto their property within 5 days of it being reported.

Yep, that's right, a punk gang kid tags your house, and you get the responsability of cleaning it up or getting fined a minimum of 500 dollars.

"Keep San Angelo Beutiful" is the slogan their spreading around here!!!!!

12-17-2007 02:58 PM

Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

TO be honest I am glad they banned rc items at the parks here. If I go to a park I dont go there to be bothered by the noise and sometimes stupidity of some of these guys who fly in the parks. Most of the ones that fly in them here have no clue.

12-17-2007 03:07 PM

z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

why are you banging on Americans? Are politicians not the same in most
every western country?

The reality is that people are increasingly stupid, selfish & self-righteous and like unruly children, SOMETIMES need to be told how to play together.

Blame their parents.

12-17-2007 03:07 PM

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TachyonDriver
Senior Heliman
Location: Chipping, Lancs, UK

I guess the smaller electric helis don't make quite the same scary noises as the large nitros which most sane people tend to back away from. However, imho the large elctrics hoo boy! Now those things are all about scary turbine like spool-ups and blade noise

Tach.

Little Spinning Bundle of Joy®

12-17-2007 10:03 PM

gian
Senior Heliman
Location: AZ

Screw it- Ban it all. How would that make you feel? (Not directed at anyone) It upsets me that I can't fly at the park near my house. We have acres of park, with nobody using it, and I can't fly there. Why? Because of a few dumbasses causing problems when there are other people around. I help to pay for these parks- why can't I use them? And another thing- when did it get to be that nobody can think for themselves and make decent judgement and safety calls without having big brother confirm or deny that what they're doing is either wrong or right!?
This drives me nuts. All of these rules and regulations do nothing but enable "dumbness".

Excuse the mini-rant.

12-17-2007 10:21 PM

heliboy1023
Veteran
Location: Tinton Falls, NJ

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This is the one problem with the increase in RTF packages, and ARF's with the planes and heli's. It does help get a lot more people into the hobby which is great, but it also attracts those who don't realize the dangers. They see, oh t-rex 600E rtf for only $1500, on sale now for cheap. They buy it thinking it is a great deal, and rc heli's should be easy, take it to a local park because it is electric, and think it is safe to do there, and end up hitting a car, or a person.

Hence all these new rules, which do suck for those who know the dangers and are responsible, but I'm sure none of us want to go to a park only to have their car, or even themselves hit by a plane or heli because someone lost control and crashed.

You know you have to many heli's only when your wallet is empty.

12-18-2007 12:24 AM

Cromer
Senior Heliman
Location: Germantown, NY

All you have to do is watch some of the videos posted at this and other sites. I routinely see people flying in their cul-de-sac, over roadways or over parked cars in parking lots. None of that seems very safe to me at all. These heli's can and do hurt people and cause property damage so it is up to the pilot to try and fly them in the safest possible manner.

Phil

Too many hobbies - not enough money

12-18-2007 01:05 AM

Pull-n-Pitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

Just to chime in, I went with a buddy to his field and while we were unloading helo's the cry of "Incoming" rang out.... Dang if a plank didn't go thru the windshield of the Lexus parked two spots down!
SO -- The women and children (IN THE SAFE AREA) present scrambled and the Lexus took the beating... SO there is no safe place to fly or highway to drive on or food to eat (Trans fats?) or morons that have the ability to cut themselves with a piece of paper......
So the loud obtrusive sounding mufflers and screaming blades hopefully keep the too curious away --- I say don't let the government tell us what to do, who elected them anyway.....
Let's fly till they throw us in jail.... I can see it now, Me sitting in jail talking to another felon and after he describes how he robbed a bank and shot it out with the cops him asking me "SO what did you do?" -- Oh! I flew my helicopter in a park......

12-18-2007 06:30 AM

redvtr1000
Senior Heliman
Location: covington, GA

It's a toss up IMO. I will fly the mini titan at the local park or school if nobody else is around but I don't really like to do it. The last time I did it, some idiot walked up behind me while I was flying with his 3 yr old. I never even saw the father at first, the little boy appeared from my right and looked up and said something illegible. I didn't see his father anywhere, he came strolling up a minute later and watched from a fence ten feet away. He never reeled his kid in at all. I was afraid to land it because I thought he would run up to it. I brought it in about 15 feet out and was gonna land it and get out of there but just like I figured, when it got close the little boy shot out towards it at. I flew it off into the distance and turned around to tell the father that it wasn't a toy and I didn't feel like watching his kid stick a hand into the blades. He collected his child and I went home. I was off in a corner where there was no need for anyone to go, they walked over into my little area just because I was flying there.

Suppose it is my fault for flying there and I am real cautious but alot of folks just don't realize (or care) what their kids are doing. This one was far to small to be running around without supervision (leash!) IMO. Better to just avoid those situations, I wouldn't even think of starting anything nitro unless I was at the field.

"No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."

12-18-2007 06:45 PM

helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

Our local flying field is a designated area of a public park. There are rules posted and AMA guidelines, but visitors and the curious don't bother reading them. I am just as likely to encounter curious people, children, or dogs who have very little sense of the dangers or the concentration it takes to fly the models when at my rc field as when at the (few) other parks or fields where I do fly.

I fly small electric at a park near work, most of the time nobody is there. If someone approaches, I land and talk to them, and explain about the heli and that it needs space, is surprisingly fast and powerful, and I neither want anyone getting hurt nor to break my heli. If small children are around and aren't closely supervised, I'll pack it up.

There are a lot of places which can be utilized for safe flying, we have to judge this carefully and give our selves reality checks from time to time as well. These forums are very useful for that.

I have personally had far more close calls and situations where safety was questionable at the RC field than when at a park or my front yard alone. Some days its been models raining out of the air... safety at the club field is a whole 'nother topic, worth discussing.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.

12-20-2007 07:50 PM

TachyonDriver
Senior Heliman
Location: Chipping, Lancs, UK

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Some days its been models raining out of the air... safety at the club field is a whole 'nother topic, worth discussing.

Do they organise a lot of pylon racing?

Tach.

Little Spinning Bundle of Joy®

12-21-2007 10:20 PM

mintaka007
Heliman
Location: spokane, wa usa

big electrics

I have only flown 450 size and below, and even those I would be a little scared of flying at the park. Regardless of flying experience, these are complex machines with a myriad of moving parts, and they all have to me moving together guided by computer chips that get there information through radio waves travelling through the air. Needless to say anything at any time can go wrong. Having said that, I recently purchased a used but well taken care of joker cx. When I opened that box I shat myself! I can't see how you could think it safe to fly a machine of this size in a public park. Granted the joker is a bit bigger than a 600, but not much. By flying your machines at a flying field, not only are you in an area designated for crashing, but you have other pilots there that you can learn from. Free school! I admit I have flown my rex in the back yard a couple of times, but that was just hovering and I have a huge back yard. Still stupid and I have since stopped this practice. It is a free country, but all it takes is one mistake killing or seriously injuring someone to bring massive regulation to an otherwise self regulating hobby. Just my 2 cents.

Joker cx
Trex se
"Franken"Axe
Addictive as cocaine, but cocaine is cheaper!

01-07-2008 04:15 AM

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racin06
Senior Heliman
Location: Indianapolis, IN

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but all it takes is one mistake killing or seriously injuring someone to bring massive regulation to an otherwise self regulating hobby.

...and we all know that there are more than enough accident lawyers lying in wait and plenty of Nanny State politicians in the U.S. that would just love to regulate our great hobby. It can happen...so lets use common sense and be safe!

01-22-2008 08:20 PM

Sammac
Heliman
Location: Brisbane, QLD- Australia

What people dont realise is that so long as the motor in an electric has power and the esc doesnt burn out the thing will keep going wheras most gas helis will cut out when the motor gets a big enough kick back.

01-22-2008 11:45 PM

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BigguyOz
Key Veteran
Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Alwaya assuming that there are no failsafes built-in to the system. Also there is every change that the "kick back" you mention could also cause the ESC to fail.

Bottom line - I don't think electrics are any worse than IC in terms of potential for chicken dances.

Tony Stott
Scenefromabove.com.au
Trex 450,AP2000i,Askman
8m mast
hot air balloon
kite

01-23-2008 12:35 AM

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