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Main Discussion > has any body talk to mort from just canopies lately?
 
 
hotshot tony
Senior Heliman
Location: Shepherdsville, KY US

this guy is in the hobby

i cant believe he does not have friends that will not help him i know now i have really good friends because they would help me with anything but maybe im just lucky.
Tony
12-19-2007 10:53 PM
 
 
GOTI
Heliman
Location: TX

I will go ahead and add my $.02 cents to this thread. I am one of the unfortunate customers that paid for Mort to paint 2 canopies for me approximately 14 months ago.

Initially I was told they should take 6 weeks, which turned into 2 months, then 6 months ..... well you get the picture. Don't get me wrong I am not some cold hearted person that does not feel for someone who is down on their luck. I do have a problem with someone taking money for goods/services and then not delivering. On top of that his website was still open for business last time I checked. If he is ill and unable to work why is he still accepting new orders?

A couple of months ago I got fed up with the waiting and simply asked Mort for a refund. He replied that his current situation did not allow him to do this and that he expected to ship my canopies in a week or so.

He has not responded to my last email asking for an update so I do not know where we stand at this point?
12-20-2007 12:17 AM
 
 
Mutt
Key Veteran
Location: t ca usa

Personally I myself wont do business with anyone who requires you to pay up front first. I can understand reasons for asking for the money up front due to some ordering and then not paying when they are ready to send them. but I myself wont do business with anyone that requires full payment up front.
12-20-2007 01:22 AM
 
 
wore-out-pilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Louisville, Kentucky USA

Well said. Anyone want to purchase an AURORA. I think he is in the same boat.

Synergy cheerleader,

Make-It- Hot

MAKE-IT-HOT They call me aka the hammer
12-20-2007 02:20 AM
 
 
ThunderRobo
Key Veteran
Location: Toronto, Canada

funny, i ordered a Aurora canopy from him

Derek
Da' kid with the toyz!
"Time for some Muzak!"
12-20-2007 02:25 AM
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hotshot tony
Senior Heliman
Location: Shepherdsville, KY US

this a picture of mort's office, isn't that a laptop in the background??

This would be a great line of communication don't you think??
And look at the canopy man, that's a nice piece of art! He is good at what he does.
12-20-2007 05:42 AM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

pictures don't fly.

Chris
Xero G

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
12-20-2007 08:32 AM
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TrexRookie
Key Veteran
Location: San Francisco, CA

if I had to wait FOURTEEN MONTHS for a canopy, the first thing I would do is put the heli into a nose-low attitude and crash it into the ground... hell, if I'm waiting THAT LONG for a canopy, the thing better be made of some kinda crazy martian material that is indestructible... I hope Mort does get better, but as was said in prior posts, lines of communication must be established. if painting canopies is not his main form of income, it might be a good idea to stop orders all together, get as many done as he can, and send back/refund the rest.

let's say that within a 2-month turn-around time, if all he can handle is, say 5 canopies, he should stop orders and give potential customers an ETA on when he will be available to take new orders... and only take new orders when the original 5 are completed.. otherwise a lynch mob will ensue. hence the result of this thread..

and if you're reading this Mort, it's not that we are trying to hate on you, it's just that a lot of these guys have been left in the dark, and at this point they probably feel as though they've been stiffed on the deal. at the very least, keep us posted as to how you're doing, because we really do care about our heli community...
12-20-2007 10:33 AM
 
 
hotshot tony
Senior Heliman
Location: Shepherdsville, KY US

Trexrookie you very nice ideas.

i think that would have worked out nicely for him when work gets that crazy.
12-20-2007 07:16 PM
 
 
jkelly
Veteran
Location: Mobile, AL

GET WELL MORT! We need some canopies. Just think how much more you'll appreciate your canopy after you've waited for a long time to get it. I've waited 12 months so everyone else get in line.

Seriously, I hope Mort gets better and that he is able to get caught up with work. Painting ain't no joke or we'd all be doing it! You want one of the best looking canopies available then get in line. I expected it to take a while, maybe not this long but when they get here I'll be in canopy heaven. I already know I won't be flying these babys!

I understand everyones pain but really, give the guy a break and not the mafia kind. He's doing the best he can and he'll pull through. It would be nice if he had some help.

Mort, I got your back dude. Nobody better mess with you... at least until I get mine.

JK
12-20-2007 08:56 PM
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Jdonovan
Senior Heliman
Location: Louisville, Ky

Looks like another happy customer of morts. Found this in The Ma Forum. If this was an individual that ripped someone off from the classifeids he would be getting flamed left and right(Why people defend Mort i have no Idea)
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OK, here's the deal.

Well, two things first. I've tried to deal with the vendor, but he has vanished so to speak. As for him being a paying advertiser of Run Ryder, I don't think so any more. About the time he became invisible, his ad disappeared.

"Morton" of Just Canopies, located in New York, has stolen from me a Fury Canopy, and $135.00 for a paint job, and $15.00 for return shipping.

The short version is(as short as I can make it); I called "Mort" (as he likes to call himself), a few weeks before the IRCHA Jambore, and asked for details on how to arrange to have a canopy painted. He gave me the info, but said he was very busy getting canopies painted for the Jamboree. He said after the event, he could get one done in 2 weeks. I said I'd contact him after the Jamboree. Meanwhile I ordered a canopy, and in August sent him the canopy and the money. He confirmed later that he received both the money and the canopy.

Three weeks go by and I started e-mailing and calling. No replies. At week number 7, I sent him an e-mail that challenged his character a little bit. 10 minutes after sending the e-mail he called me on the phone, claiming a variety of problems as to why he had not finished the canopy or returned my e-mails, including his house being hit by lightning, and having to get his business ready for an "inspection" of some sort. I said I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, and asked him to simple tell me when I could expect the canopy. He said I'd have it in my hands within 2 1/2 weeks. By the way, a quote from "Mort" during that last conversion, "I'm an artist, not a businessman". Looking back, a more correct quote would be, "I'm a flake, not a businessman".

That is the last I've heard from him. Over a month went by with no contact. I asked him at that point to return the canopy in whatever condition it was in, and deduct from the $135.00 a labor charge for his trouble. No answer. Then I asked him to just return the canopy, and he could keep the $135.00. No answer. "Mort" has remained silent now for over a month, and I noticed the other day his ad on Run Ryder no longer appears. So, I'm out $150.00 cash, plus he still has the canopy I sent him. He won't even do me the courtesy of giving me my property back.

If he surfaces again, I'd recommend you stay clear, and take your business elsewhere. As for my loss, I've written it off. If anyone close to New York wants to pay him a visit, PM me, and I'll give you some ideas on how to greet him when you get there . What a flake he turned out to be...
Dave Dahl.

[B]SICK OR NOT YOUR CONTACT YOU CUSTOMER OR HAVE SOMEONE CONTACT FOR YOU[/B]
12-21-2007 04:00 AM
 
 
jkelly
Veteran
Location: Mobile, AL

I hear ya, I don't think it's good business but c'mon. Everyone in the world thinks they deserve more than their neighbor. It's the McDonald's syndrome. You got to have it in under a minute. The guy has problems and nobody is doing anything to help. It's a very bad situation and we all sit in front of our computers complaining. What happened to trying to find out what we can do to help the guy. You know that he didn't put himself in this position on purpose. It would have been a good idea if he did things different but it isn't so. He's got 5 of my canopies and all paid for so it's no joke to me either. I would personally like to see him get things straight so we can all move on. I'd like to get my canopies a long time ago but pushing him out of business is only a guarantee we'll see nothing. I guess gone are those days where people stop to lend a hand to even a stranger when the time calls. It's money and I understand that you don't mess with another man's money but this guy is down and out. Somebody ring the bell already. We should be lending a hand to get this guy out of trouble. I'm not religious and don't go to chruch but my Momma taught me better than this. It's canopy rage I guess. McDonalds and WalMart have ruined us all.

Good luck to Mort. I don't defend him, I'm just trying to be a good human being. Hell I remember back when I started flying helis and there wasn't a lot of people out there like there is now but every one I met would give you the shirt off their back to help out. What a world we live in these days, so sad. I was a bit upset waiting for my stuff but when I talked to Mort and he told me his situation I backed off. If he's not truthful then shame on him but I give him the benefit of the doubt. It's a risk to do business with anyone especially from a distance so you have to chalk it up to a lesson learned and hopefully try to work it out. Making an enemy isn't going to make it any better. With that being said hopefully I will get bumped to the top of the list.

I'm between jobs right now but that didn't stop me from buying some poor lady's lunch the other day when her card wouldn't work in the cc reader. The cashier gave me a bag of chips, a smile and a thank you for free. That's worth more than the measly 3 bucks I paid. I bet I made that lady's day too.

Be nice, there is a time when you won't need to be nice and this isn't it.

Merry Christmas!
12-21-2007 04:58 AM
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hotshot tony
Senior Heliman
Location: Shepherdsville, KY US

jkelly i will have to say your heart is golden and every thing you said is so true.

So im going to start a new post right now i am a good man just like you will see how many more there is even if you dont like mort i would like for all of you guys to just think about helping. i am ready. JKELLY I would like you to drag your last post here to the new post. the new post will be called.has anybody thought about helping mort from just canopies lately.
Tony Whiteside
12-21-2007 05:40 AM
 
 
hongrn
Heliman
Location: Placentia, CA

I don't understand this "I'm a good human being" thing. There are a lot of people who are out of luck out there, but some will steal and others won't. How many times have you seen examples of people who are just dirt poor but have returned wallets full of cash? Being down on your luck is not really a good excuse to keep money that doesn't belong to you. In this case, it doesn't look like an exception, but a pattern of bad behavior that keeps getting repeated. And let's call a duck by its real name, if it walks or quacks like one. Making excuses for bad behavior only encourages more bad behavior. The time it takes to return a phone call or write an email? 10 seconds. Providing good customer service? Priceless.

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Professional Heli Crasher
12-21-2007 06:05 AM
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jkelly
Veteran
Location: Mobile, AL

Your point is well taken. What I'm trying to say is that we need to go straight to Mort to get the answer. There has to be a way that we can resolve this problem. Coming through the door guns blazing would make anyone duck for cover. We need to find Mort and help him make good on his commitments. I'll even step to the back of the line so others can have theirs first. I'm not condoning his actions but he is doing us a great service by painting beautiful canopies. I fear if he goes under then what? We pat ourselves on the back for screwing ourselves? Let's get with Mort and find out what it's going to take to resolve the issue.
12-21-2007 06:17 AM
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hotshot tony
Senior Heliman
Location: Shepherdsville, KY US

Jkelly i am ready lets do this

Tony
12-21-2007 06:26 AM
 
 
Jimmi
Key Veteran
Location: Southern Ca. U.S.A.

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I don't understand this "I'm a good human being" thing. There are a lot of people who are out of luck out there, but some will steal and others won't. How many times have you seen examples of people who are just dirt poor but have returned wallets full of cash? Being down on your luck is not really a good excuse to keep money that doesn't belong to you. In this case, it doesn't look like an exception, but a pattern of bad behavior that keeps getting repeated. And let's call a duck by its real name, if it walks or quacks like one. Making excuses for bad behavior only encourages more bad behavior. The time it takes to return a phone call or write an email? 10 seconds. Providing good customer service? Priceless.
I totally agree hongrn. I don't care if you can paint as good as pablo picasso, if you don't communicate then your good work doesn't mean a thing. If I had someones money for over a year, you can bet I would be roasted by now. Jkelly from what I have read, I think people have tried the communication route. Seems to be falling on deaf ears. If a person is sick and cannot work because of his illness, why does he keep taking orders? And when someone wants a refund because of the time constraints, there money is well gone and no refund in sight. Who hasn't been down on there luck, but keeping ones money is down right stealing. Lets call a duck by its real name. Jimmi

A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing
12-21-2007 06:49 AM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Just to let you guys know, I'm willing to help if I can, weekdays are a mess, but I could lend some spare time on weekends if need be. I would like to see this wrapped up because it just keeps on getting worse and worse and I believe Mort is genuinely a good guy.

Chris
Xero G

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
12-21-2007 07:08 AM
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hotshot tony
Senior Heliman
Location: Shepherdsville, KY US

jimmi i under stand what your saying trust me i have been lied to from him also

but as you can see its not working this way so we will find out what he wants to do and maybe this will lift his spirits and thoughts and with help this may just work.and im not happy about me loseing $380.00 and i know it was bad biz and so on and so forth but we have nothing to lose.we could use you for your help also in anyway.just sleep on it or something and think about it.and try agian tomorrow.
Thanks Tony Whiteside
12-21-2007 07:19 AM
 
 
jkelly
Veteran
Location: Mobile, AL

You are right. It's never a good idea to take someone's money and provide no service. If his Grandma was around I'm sure she'd hit him over the head with her purse. I also agree that he should not have burried himself with more orders but I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing. I know that good intentions are just that. We just need to find him. I used to have trouble getting in touch with him because his email filters out yahoo and hotmail and who knows what but still I'd eventually find him. When I found out his situation, I had to just find a way to get over the frustration of waiting. I believe he's a good man and just needs help to sort this out. Considering his situation, I still want what I paid for but the time has become not so important. He's good at what he does so I feel he deserves a chance. If the product was junk then I wouldn't be as passionate about this. He's not here to defend himself so hopefully we can find him and get the other side of the story. I don't mean to offend anyone but I just feel that if we can get him some help that we all will be happy campers. Let's find out his story and put ourself in his shoes. I sincerely hope this story comes to a good ending. I'm just hoping we can have a bit of compassion for a guy that I really believe needs our help. I'm certainly not suggesting to forget about what's due you but more over, hoping that we can find a creative way to expidite what we've paid for. Heck the sooner I'd have my canopy the sooner I'd crash it so he's almost doing me a favor.
12-21-2007 07:19 AM
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