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Blades, Night Flying and Painting > Making Own Night Blades
 
 
High Flying1
Senior Heliman
Location: Lafayette, Indiana

I'm going to try to make my own night blades. I have seen people do this, and was wondering what others have found to work best? I'm going to put the lights on 710mm Radix blades, and I was thinking about using the copper strips as wires. Any help? Thanks.

Corben Meyer
Miniature Aircraft USA
12-15-2007 05:16 PM
 
 
rstacy
Key Veteran
Location: Rochester, NY

Check with Playfair here on RR. He was the first to write about it.




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Team MAPTERGY.... nuff said
12-15-2007 10:55 PM
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High Flying1
Senior Heliman
Location: Lafayette, Indiana

Thanks.

Corben Meyer
Miniature Aircraft USA
12-15-2007 11:27 PM
 
 
mr70ss
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane, WA

I've made 5 sets now, they are great! as for what works best, it seems to be an on going battle.. at the moment i'm using 1/8" copper tape, #805 size LED's, surface mount resistors (for red), and Thunder power 350mah single cell lipo. I'm getting about 60-70min runtime (with 6 LEDS). Check my gallery for some pics.

Mr70ss

600N-YS50ST-611-Align Pipe-610 RT's
450se v2-430xl-2100t
12-16-2007 12:46 AM
 
 
P47 Jug - Al
Senior Heliman
Location: Rocky River, OH USA

mr70ss, very interesting on your setup. I likes the pics but did not see one on how you did the battery connection. Could you post a pic of that in your gallery? Thanks!

Al
TRex 450 V2
12-16-2007 03:42 AM
 
 
High Flying1
Senior Heliman
Location: Lafayette, Indiana

Those look great!

Corben Meyer
Miniature Aircraft USA
12-16-2007 03:28 PM
 
 
playfair
Key Veteran
Location: Rochester, NY

Got the PM, HF1, but have not had time for a detailed reply yet, so I'll just comment here...

There are pics in my gallery of an early set of blades made similarly to what 70SS said.

However, a 150ma LiPo is plenty, and is smaller and lighter than anything larger. Several brands sell them. If you get a 2S pack, you can carefully de-solder such that there's enough tinning remaining to directly solder to the copper tape.

On a nitro machine, I clear heat shrink the entire blade. Don't usually bother with electrics.


The sky is our canvas
12-16-2007 04:54 PM
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Tyler
Key Veteran
Location: Chicagoland area

I am highly interested in trying to make some night blades.

Can you guys share your sources for materials and some general instructions.

For example, do you just lay the tape down and perform the soldering right on the blades?

Where do you find clear covering for the blades?

I would make some 300mm, 600mm, and maybe even some 710's.

Tyler

Airtronics, YS Power, Switchglo ignitors, Jersey Modeler
12-16-2007 05:30 PM
 
 
mr70ss
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane, WA

OK, in the sprit of sharing information, and for me that’s what RR is all about. Here is some info on how I build my blades, along with product links. Keep in mind that there are many different ways to build these blades, so there is really no "ONE" perfect setup, it's all about trial and error, and what works best for you. First I'd like to give thanks to Playfair and Mudbogger, It was with their help I was able to build my first set of night blades. Ok on to the good stuff...

First here are the product links with a little info..

1/8" copper tape (3 rolls per set, to be safe)
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/593692;jsessionid=Te5FBPnLS+qqD1Z4Z4O
S5Q**.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

805 size LEDS (I usually order 8 of each color)
http://www.lsdiodes.com/shop/index.p...8120078daf9825

LED voltage Calculator (used to figure out what size of resistor to use with what LED, will get more into that later)
http://led.linear1.org/1led.wiz

Factory SIP Socket (If you look in my gallery I first used a cut down IC socket for the jumper connection, then was able to track down what they use in the factory blades)
http://www.mouser.com/search/refine...t=506-510-AG90D

Surface Mount Resistors (1/8 watt 56 ohm 5% 805 size, used for getting a red LED to light, if you were to try and power a red LED with out the resistor it would just burn out. I know this first hand . You will need one resistor for every red LED.)
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/D...ame=RHM56ACT-ND

As for a lipo battery I run 350mah TP single cells. I buy 2 3s packs then tear them down, that way I have 3 sets of single cells. As others have stated you can run a lower mah battery, and I have myself, but one thing I like about the larger mah is the fact that when I'm at a heli event it's one less thing I have to charge. Currently I’ve been getting around 60-70min (that’s w/6 LED's).

If you run a lipo battery that has a alum. tab you will need to get some alum. flux #1260 and alum. solder w/zinc. Again this is something that I found out first hand. My first couple of night blades sets I used www.maxamps.com packs, and they have copper tabs so standard solder was fine. Here is a link to the
Alum. solder w/ zinc, 1oz. is plenty
http://www.ccis.com/home/hn/index_files/Page6.htm

Alum flux #1260, 2 OZ is more than enough.
http://www.ccis.com/home/hn/index_files/Page4.htm

For lipo battery mounting I use Parma, PSE clear rubber servo tape
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...p?&I=LXMRA9&P=0

For blade balancing I use a K&S universal blade balancer.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Product...x?ProdID=KSJ528

I'll post again in a little bit with pics of my blades (with out the heat shrink so you can see how I did the wiring) Hope this is some good food for thought.

600N-YS50ST-611-Align Pipe-610 RT's
450se v2-430xl-2100t
12-17-2007 12:05 AM
 
 
High Flying1
Senior Heliman
Location: Lafayette, Indiana

Very very good. I look foward to seeing some pictures. Thanks.

Corben Meyer
Miniature Aircraft USA
12-17-2007 12:17 AM
 
 
P47 Jug - Al
Senior Heliman
Location: Rocky River, OH USA

mr70ss, great info you gave us. The only thing I think I am confussed on is where you place the battery. Is one battery mounted on the bottom side of each blade? Is anything more than the double sided tape needed to hold it on?

Thanks, Al

Al
TRex 450 V2
12-17-2007 02:30 AM
 
 
mr70ss
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane, WA

Well it looks like LSDIODES.COM has closed.. so here it another web site that has LED's, Keep in mind that you want 0805 size. Click on the link below then select what color you want from the "sunlight visible" area at the very bottom of the page. That will take you to another page with all different form factors of LED's with that color, then locate the 0805 size. Don't forget that you might need resistors for some colors of LED's. Be sure you use a LED calculator to make sure before you try and light them up or they will only light for 1 once for a split second.

http://www.ledtronics.com/ds/SMD-0603/#0805

600N-YS50ST-611-Align Pipe-610 RT's
450se v2-430xl-2100t
12-17-2007 02:32 AM
 
 
mr70ss
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane, WA

pics are on the way.. almost done taking them I'll try and get them posted tonight, and also go over how I balance and secure the lipo's to the blade.

600N-YS50ST-611-Align Pipe-610 RT's
450se v2-430xl-2100t
12-17-2007 02:36 AM
 
 
mr70ss
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane, WA

Alright here are the pics you have been asking for,

But first let's go over the "how to build" process…

I start by figuring out what type of light scheme I want. What colors, how far are the rings spaced apart, how many rings, what colors do I want to see on only the top or bottom or even both sides of the disk. Once I got my plan I set down and draw out what each blade should have. Keep in mind you have to do this for each blade and each side, seems how each blade WILL NOT have the same led layout, (will explain that later). For the sake of this post I’ll go through the build process for my 610mm rotortech's that you can see in my gallery (version 2).




First you need to do it clean the blades with rubbing alcohol. This helps the copper tape stick VERY well. Next I use a silver sharpie (on black blades) and measure out where I want my LED's and make a dot with the marker.

Next I run what I call "main bus bar", which is really a direct link to either + (Pos.) or - (Neg.) to the lipo battery. If you didn't know the LED's do have a + and - side. I run my main bus bars down the middle of the blade, one on top and one on bottom. (run the copper tape all the way to the tip of the blade, just make sure they don’t touch. Try to leave a gap of about 1/32” to 1/16”, if it’s bigger than that the 0805 size led will not be able to gap the connection) I personally run + on the top. (it helps when setting up the jumper connection later.)




Next is to run both a + and a – tape connection from each bus bar to each LED "dot" you made earlier. So run a piece of copper tape from the bus bar to the dot. (be sure to over lap all copper tape connections, as you will have to solder each connection later, also be sure to get both + and – run close to each other 1/32” to 1/16”)



Now if you plan on running a color other than blue, green, or white you WILL have to run a resistor. So on my rotortech’s, I have 2 red LED’s on the bottom of the disk, and if you look at the top of each blade there is a 56 ohm resistor on each one of the + runs to the red LED’s. Again be sure to use a led calculator to find out what ohm resistor your led will require.




I build one blade at a time all the way up (minus battery, more about why later) The reason is simple and again I found out the hard way… once you have one blade complete, take a long blade bolt and place it through the root of both blades(one completed) then get your sharpie back out and transfer the LED placement from the complete blade to the bare blade. Now your LED’s will be aligned to each other once they spin up.

NOTICE, that on my second ring from the tip (white) I have one LED placed at the leading edge, and on the other blade it is on the trailing edge, this makes the ring complete from any viewing angle. If you look at my gallery you will notice that on my first set there is a dead spot.




So now you should have all your LED runs complete, and now they need to be “tined” with solder. I take a tooth pick and dip it in flux and place a tiny dot of flux at every connection point. (this means every main bus bar to LED run, resistor connections, LED connections) next apply a small amount of solder to each area.

Now it’s time to break out the tweezers, no joke, they are small here is a pic, notice the green dot on the LED, that’s the - (NEG. side)



Seems how there is already solder at each LED and resistor location, all you need to do is apply a dot of flux to both ends of the LED or resistor, then hold them in place on the blade and reheat the solder. The flux will draw the solder to the part and that’s it! Remember that the LED’s have a green dot on the top, which mean – (neg.). If you have it backwards they just won’t light.

Once you have all the LED’s and resistors in place it time to mount the battery, It’s hard for me to explain (type out) how to mount the battery, and sip socket so here are some pics, like they say a picture is worth a thousand words (I hope so in this case). This is the bottom of the blade.



Next place the SIP socket on the blade (I like to angle it so the force of the blades spinning helps hold the jumper in place) Again use the dot method to run more copper tape to the main bus bars. Once you have one SIP socket done, again bolt both blades together and transfer your location from one to the other.

Now that you see how I run the connections, here is why I mount the battery last. Place both blades on the balancer, bottom side up. Next place both batteries on the blades (with the servo tape STUCK ONLY TO THE BATTERY. Now you can slide them back and forth on each blade until you have a perfect balance. Again something I learned the hard way. Once happy with the balance, mark the blade and stick the lipo to the blade.

Finally I use battery heat shrink wrap to cover the SIP socket and battery. Again be sure to have both blades on the balancer when your test fitting the shrink wrap, this is another chance to get that balance 100% perfect!


Hope the info helps, and please feel free to ask any questions you might have.

600N-YS50ST-611-Align Pipe-610 RT's
450se v2-430xl-2100t
12-17-2007 04:43 AM
 
 
Heliguychris
Senior Heliman
Location: Perth, West Australia

To yourself, and playfair and mudbogger, I SALUTE YOU!!!! great write up.
AWSOME, and thanks. Always wanted to know how i could do that.
12-17-2007 05:02 AM
 
 
Paul Susbauer
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane Valley, WA

Mr70SS not only writes a good how to...but makes good blades. I had him convert a set of my Radix, and they light perfectly, and balance perfectly...better than a brand new set of Rotortechs I bought.

--Paul

Ineptitude - If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly.
12-17-2007 06:38 AM
 
 
mr70ss
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane, WA

Thanks Paul and Heliguychris. I just thought of another tip that I thought I'd pass on. When you get your first set of blades built you'll notice that when you go to stress test them, you'll find that the regulated LED's (red's, orange's, yellow's) will outlast a non-regulated LED's (green, blue, white). It's because of this I like to have the red LED's on the bottom of the disk. That way if they start dump in the air you have the red rings to help get you down safely.

600N-YS50ST-611-Align Pipe-610 RT's
450se v2-430xl-2100t
12-17-2007 06:56 AM
 
 
Paul Susbauer
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane Valley, WA

Another thing Mr70SS and I found out is to stress test them in the air a couple times during the day to make sure your solder joints going to the batteries hold up.

To give you all an idea of why you need the special solder, we had a set of blades that didn't have it, and both blades didn't work after one flight. Again, thankfully we were testing them during the day.

--Paul

Ineptitude - If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly.
12-17-2007 07:16 AM
 
 
Heliguychris
Senior Heliman
Location: Perth, West Australia

Thanks again for the all the info guys.

While looking around for copper tape from somewhere local, i found a product ive not seen before, a conductive pen???!!!

https://secure.vividcluster.crox.ne...eMax=&SUBCATID=

Dont spose ya know wether this would be a good substitue for the copper tape. Im gonnna get some tomorrow morn, to play with. I can use a conductive texta pen anyday!!! Was wondering how it would go right at the very leading and trailing edges??? I was kinda hoping it might even be a case of painting on my solder?? That would be sweet
12-17-2007 08:05 AM
 
 
mr70ss
Senior Heliman
Location: Spokane, WA

Chris, I've never tired that who knows... If its a liquid that dries out, my guess is that it would not hold up to the flexing of the blade.

600N-YS50ST-611-Align Pipe-610 RT's
450se v2-430xl-2100t
12-17-2007 03:17 PM
 
 
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