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Align T-REX 600N 700N > Csm Carbsmart on my trex 600 N

ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Ceia, FL USA

The aluminum arm in the one pic is a different setup but it does work the same way. The CS includes a clamp-on plastic arm which you'll see in every other pic. Once that is set up mechanically at 90 degrees to your pushrod all you do to adjust the needle is loosen the clamp and turn the needle inside the arm.

You could also leave the clamp just loose enough that it doesn't slip when being moved by the servo, but you can still turn the needle within with a screwdriver.

11-13-2007 05:46 PM

brifa
Senior Heliman
Location: ITALY

yes
could i do the same set up that the plastic clamp allows??

11-13-2007 05:57 PM

ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Ceia, FL USA

Yes the setup is very simple and it works well. I filed my needle knurling a little smoother and opened the hole in the plastic arm slightly so the clamp fit better and the needle was easier to turn.

If you can set up your linkage so that your pushrod is either vertical or horizontal it makes it easier to see that your CS is working near the middle of its range in flight because your needle arm will then be either vertical or horizontal in the center of its travel.

11-13-2007 06:01 PM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Jafa: Just talked to Michael at Yamada in Austria and altough that remote needle valve won't fit a YS50, you can remove the needle and replace it with a YS50 needle and it will work. The set also includes a spring and slip so you can adjust your needle without needing to remove the servo arm.

I'm going to order one and check for myself

Tony

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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."

11-13-2007 09:01 PM

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Jafa
Elite Veteran
Location: Sydney, Australia

That's cool, and good to know, thanks for the feedback

I really like these slipper levers
It makes it very easy to get a good needle seting
in the middle of the available carbsmart travel
(which is important - otherwise the carbsmart will be less effective)

BRIFA - with these devices you can turn the needle as many turns either way without moving the servo and keep the pushrod at 90 degrees (with the CSM needle clamp you have to loosen it to adjust the needle setting)

Cheers,
Martin...

Lepton | TRex600Nitro | Sceadu | Freya | Avant | Predator Carbon Max

11-13-2007 10:02 PM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

I'll let you know how it goes. Still waiting for final quote. I can get the thing for 13€ from Belgium, lets see how much Yamada Europe wants for it

Tony

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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."

11-13-2007 11:11 PM

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tchavei

rrProfessor - Location: Portugal -

Install pics for those interested:

Tony

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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."

11-14-2007 12:15 AM

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tgo
Senior Heliman
Location: HK

Hi Tony,
Thanks for your photo. I just ordered mine and want to know how to install the sensor.

For your photo, I see 2 sensors are installed, one on the head and the other one on the case. From CSM's website, I believe one sensor is required, can you explain why two sensors are installed?

Thanks
TGO

11-14-2007 02:11 AM

tgo
Senior Heliman
Location: HK

Hi Tony,
One more question, seem like you are using some silicone to fix the sensor, right?

Thanks
TGO

11-14-2007 02:13 AM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

I have two sensors because I will be logging the carbsmart's performance on my eagltree system. The Carbsmart sensor goes on the top of the head, the eagletree sensor goes under the head for most realistic readings (not under the influence of airflow).

Just because everybody sais carbsmart is the next best thing to sliced bread, I have to see that myself by analysing the logging data

No, thats no silicone (eventough it looks like it). Its Arctic Silver Alumina Thermal Adhesive. Its a two part epoxy that has excellent heat conductive properties (it has silver and aluminum particles in it). Good thing is that its not current conductive so you dont risk shorting out the temp sensor. You can get it at any good Computer store. Its widely used to glue heatsinks to memory slots and on water cooling applications. DO NOT CONFUSE IT WITH Arctic Silver Thermal compounds as these are only paste that one puts between the processor and heatsink. Its NOT glue.

Oh, and eventhough it looks like I put the sensor on the head and just put the epoxy over it, in reality I made a epoxy bed first so that the sensor would be fully packed in it.

Finally, if you don't manage to get your hands on the Alumina Adhesive, get the regular compound and mix it with regular epoxy. It will work almost as good the Alumina.

Tony

Tony

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11-14-2007 02:26 AM

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tgo
Senior Heliman
Location: HK

Hi Tony,
Thanks for your detail explanations. By the way, what's your comments on Carb Smart? Both personal feeling and the data from Eagle Tree.

Thanks
TGO

11-14-2007 10:13 AM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

I will let you know this evening if everything goes well. I havn't had the time to test the system yet

Tony

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11-14-2007 01:21 PM

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tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

I'm back

Just put in 3 tanks with the carbsmart.

What can I say? Well, I had my doubts especially when mounted on a YS50 but I can tell you the diference is almost insane. I thought I had my engine tuned quite good but after this experience I have to rethink that.

I also amost got an stroke when I saw the eagletree data. Average temperature was around 112 C and the carbsmart was programmed at 110C thats a little over 1% deviation of the set temperature. I still have to digest everything I got from those flights but I'm starting to write my review as we speak

Should have the full text and lots of comparison graphs till the end of the week

Tony

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11-15-2007 01:03 AM

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ESWLFSE
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Ceia, FL USA

Maybe the 1% deviation was from the Eagle Tree?? Either way the fact that they agree within 1% is amazing. Can't wait for the full report.

11-15-2007 01:17 AM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

well you can't have two different sensors measuring two different points on the engine and expect a perfect match. Even if that would be possible, the carbsmart is a reactive device so it would need to detect the heat and then open the needles. you will always see some kind of waving form of temperature deviation. What really hit me is that the AVERAGE temperature of the full 9 minutes of flight was only 1% diferent from what was programmed before hand... simply amazing.

Tony

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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."

11-15-2007 01:21 AM

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tgo
Senior Heliman
Location: HK

Hi Tony,
Can you post your Eagle tree chart here? I'm interested in the head temp when you just have your engine started and not yet spool up....

Thanks
TGO

11-15-2007 06:21 AM

Ghostrider
Key Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

tchavei

What fan are you running?

Currently flying:
600N Pro, BW Stratus, & Aurora (x2)

11-15-2007 06:37 AM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

engine at idle is under 80C even at full lean setting. The 600N design is too eficient to let an engine heat up to 100C at idle. I'll post the charts later.

Ghostrider: Right now I have the QuickUk fan in as the temps aren't that low here right now. Will put the HeV2 in December probably

Tony

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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."

11-15-2007 08:55 AM

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tgo
Senior Heliman
Location: HK

Hi Tony,

Does this means CarbSmart will lean the main needle once the engine is started and the temp is below your preset temp?

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engine at idle is under 80C even at full lean setting. The 600N design is too eficient to let an engine heat up to 100C at idle. I'll post the charts later.
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11-15-2007 09:13 AM

SRH990
Key Veteran
Location: Birmingham, UK

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Does this means CarbSmart will lean the main needle once the engine is started and the temp is below your preset temp?

When you switch on the heli the CarbSmart goes to the fully lean position, it only richens up when the head temperature reaches that set.

Steve -Trex 700N, Trex 600N, Raptor 550E, 450SE, Mini Titan, Logo 5003D, Fury Extreme

11-15-2007 11:10 AM

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