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Kyosho Caliber 30 & 60 - Concept - Nexus > Caliber 90 ver 06 Build Thread
 
 
irocu88
Senior Heliman
Location: norfolk,va

Yes they do fly nice don't they!!!

Caliber 90 FT os91 c-spec
Caliber 50, OS50 hyper
Caliber 30 OS37
10-08-2007 Over year old.
 
 
tracvision
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Florida

From Harold

Hey Guys, Sorry for my lack of zoom when video tapeing Erichs Caliber. Maybe we'll give it a try again and show you some of the Calibers moves upstairs. I'll wear my glasses next time. I assure you , Erichs' finesse of that Caliber aloft is as impressive as it is smooth.
10-08-2007 Over year old.
 
 
jester4
Veteran
Location: Brampton, Ontario (Flyin' outta Mississauga)

I don't want to take anything away from this nice heli, but can someone tell my why this machine is so much money? What does this machine offer better than any other high end machine out there? Just curious, I'm not bashing it, just always wondered. I remember when they first came out, and I was always drooling over them, but since then many good high end models have hit the market...
10-09-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Dr.Ben
Elite Veteran
Location: Richmond, VA, USA

Actually, the model is right on par with other premium F3C models in this class. It's less than an Eagle III, a bit more than a Sylphide, and really close to a Freya EXII depending on where you shop.

To understand where the expense lies, you first have to understand that Japanese marketing ties price to the number of an item they will likely sell, and that price might not be tied directly to the true value of an item. None of these FAI models sells in massive numbers, so that makes them costly right there. Then you need to understand just how well machined the premium Japanese models are. Everything fits, and I mean dead nuts perfectly. Machined surfaces are like a mirror, and anodizing is at the next level. Bearings in bellcranks are placed on shafts rather than bolt threads. Some parts that could be more easily made of several pieces bolted together are instead machined from one piece of stock. The transmission of the Sylphide or the frame billet pieces in a Caliber are examples of this. Many components in these kits are preassembled, and you typically don't have to redo it yourself. You could debate all day long whether it's worth what you pay for it, but I can say for sure that you DO get things for the money that are simply unheard of in less costly models.

Ben Minor
10-09-2007 Over year old.
 
 
jester4
Veteran
Location: Brampton, Ontario (Flyin' outta Mississauga)

Thanks for that. I'm not completely familiar with FAI type of machines.
10-09-2007 Over year old.
 
 
yapjy
Key Veteran
Location: Singapore

Hi Erich,

Any flight reports?

How does it perform in hovering piro? Does it wander off?

What paddle, flybar lenght and main blades are you using?

What headspeed for hovering and aerobatics?

11-01-2007 03:37 AM
 
 
Chris.C
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

As said above, this one well worth the money I paid.

It does not comes with paddles, at least mine does not so I use Funtech paddle, with original flybar.

With FunKey Carbon 690 semi-symmetrical, I need to put flybar weights to tame it down.

Chris
11-01-2007 07:14 AM
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

I've been flying the new lady every weekend now for about three-four flights a day. The Caliber flies very smooth and predictable. There's not really any way to describe here how it flies, without sounding cliche`. The pilot workload is much lower, in my opinion, than the Hirobo machines I had been flying. This is especially true in regards to hovering crosswinds. There is very little elevator trim change with crosswinds. Upstairs, she tracks very well, and the 140° CCPM system (new for me) is very accurate. Rolls are as straight as I can fly them, and vertical radii are straight as long as you enter level. There is no tendency to wander off to the side when pulling into an upline. I'm sure some of this is also due to the electronics in the bird, too. I'm using the high precision JR 8231 servos and Xtremelink 2.4 module system with 16bit resolution.

Interesting you ask about hovering piros. This was important for me going into Class 3 this year, as there are lots of hovering piros, as well as a tall climbing piro. With the crosswind trim changes my Hirobo birds had, piros in wind were a real workout. Not so much with the Caliber due to the light trim changes in crosswind. My piros with this bird are much more precise. Not perfect, but better still.

Currently, I'm using the stock flybar, but have a shorter 485mm flybar that I may experiment with. I was originally going to fly the short flybar as suggested by Wayne. However, I also used Hirobo paddles from the X-Spec with both weights. The Hirobo paddles thread onto the flybar a long ways, and effectively made the flybar very short. So, I installed the stock flybar instead for initial flight testing. It seems to fly very nice now, but will try out the short bar soon.

I'm currently using DY Products 700s, but will be changing to Rotor Tech FAIs as soon as I can get my hands on some 14mm grip spacers. The DYs just don't have much at the bottom of the auto, and make for a fast descent. Not a great combo for a 180 auto with a cross wind.

I'm using 1450rpm for hovering, and 1900 for upstairs. At hover rpm, it's quieter than electrics at the field, and very sedate and stable. Hovering nose-in, you hear mostly blade slap, rather than engine. The ducted cooling fan makes a neat turbine sound. Some guys at the field compare the sound of the heli to that of a high quality vaccuum cleaner

So far so good. Of course, the proof is in the contest pudding, and there aren't any contests for a few months.

Erich

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Any flight reports?

How does it perform in hovering piro? Does it wander off?

What paddle, flybar lenght and main blades are you using?

What headspeed for hovering and aerobatics?



Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
11-02-2007 01:20 AM
 
 
heli-cuzz
Veteran
Location: Pittston, Pa. USA

Holy sweet heli, erich. Beautiful!!

Love the sound of the 90.

Life Rotors On!!!
11-02-2007 12:06 PM
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

Wow, 1700 views! I don't think a post of mine ever reached that many before

Glad you guys like the build.

I would really like to hear from other Caliber 90 owners out there. Maybe start a Caliber 90 Owners Club, of sorts. Exchange setups, parts and suppliers, etc.

I wouldn't mind starting a Yahoo Group for the C90, if anyone is interested...

Erich

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
11-07-2007 01:21 AM
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

The Lady gets an early Christmas present this weekend...

A brand new BLS251 Tail Servo from Futaba for the ole reliable GY601.

This new servo should revive the ole 601 to modern status.



I'll have pics of the installation and a flight report this weekend.

BTW, the gold anodizing almost perfectly matches the Caliber gold

Erich

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
12-13-2007 12:24 AM
 
 
tracvision
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Florida

.06 at 6v. I wonder how much faster they can get. That should put some serious authority in the tail.
12-13-2007 12:48 AM
 
 
Heliguychris
Senior Heliman
Location: Perth, West Australia

WOW! Some really cool new thinking in this helo.
I juss gotta get me some of those tail boom brace rods!!!
The cooling fan and push/pull rudder control are inspired.
Great looking heli, and cool build thread m8.
Cheers CHRIS.
12-13-2007 12:48 AM
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

Chris, thanks for the comments. It truly is an awesome design.

Harold, that 0.06 transit speed is at 4.8V!

I don't think it can be operated at 6V. It would probably exceed the speed of light and end the universe as we know it

Erich

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
12-13-2007 12:55 AM
 
 
tracvision
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Florida

Erich,

As fast as that Caliber flies, your getting close to some kind of reaction now. If it gets much faster and higher, you're going to need clearance form Approach Control.

Harold
12-13-2007 06:11 PM
 
 
Dr.Ben
Elite Veteran
Location: Richmond, VA, USA

Steve Helms actually tested the BL251 on 6 volts. The motor got way too hot. It's limited to the specified unregulated 4 cell pack or regulated system to something in the mid to lower 5's (volts).

Now you just need BL451's for the cyclics..............<g>.

Ben
12-14-2007 12:49 AM
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

I'm regulated to 5.3 volts all around. That's totally adjustable, if it gets too hot.

BLS451s on Cyclics would be killer. I still have to pay off the credit card for the Lady, though

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
12-14-2007 01:02 AM
 
 
HAT
Senior Heliman
Location: OC California




Here's my BLS 251 controlled by 611 on my Caliber 5 (over kill), I like it alot.

The BLS runs hot all the time, and can also be operated at 6V.

Sponsored by: American Express
12-14-2007 02:39 AM
 
 
ErichFKey Veteran - Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area) -
Here's the BLS251 installed on The Lady...

Test flights tomorrow, it'll be nice and windy, too. Perfect to test a new tail servo.







Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
12-16-2007 03:42 AM
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

Tested the new BLS251 tail servo today...very nice indeed.

Major improvement for my reliable old 601.

In very fast FF, I used to get an audible, high freq tail oscillation (could't actually see the tail oscillate). Simply installing this servo removed the oscillation without reducing the gain at all.

Very smooth pirouettes and predictable starts and stops. Love it.

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
12-18-2007 09:44 PM
 
 
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