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e-Electric General Discussion > Headspeed calculation
 
 
mvhf
Senior Heliman
Location: Antwerp, Belgium

I was wondering if someone has a formula to claculate the headspeed of an electric heli.
Since an electric engine can run a stable rpm, it should be possible to calculate it, certainly with a controller which has a governer mode.
I've been trying to figure out a formula but I cannot get it complete.
The parameter which I'm missing is how to claculate the engine rpm.
Or should I install some head speed meter, like the one suggested on another topic (with the cyclo computer), write down the headspeed, do some changes, and then I'll have the formula ?
When I look at technical info from the Site of my engine (a Hacker B50L15 )I get three motorspeeds so I' don't know which one to use
or should I take the middle value, i once mounted my governer of my nitro on the logo 10 to check the headspeed, and it was close to what I get when calculation with the middle value ?

My formula :

Voltage * Rpm/v / Gear Ratio

Cells 12 14
rpm/v 1610 1610
Voltage 14,4 16,8
Rpm 23184 27048

Pinion GearRatio
13 15,38 1506,96 1758,12
15 13,33 1738,80 2028,60

Is my calculation correct ?

So now another quest when you take in account the controller with governer function, what is it doing ? changing the voltage ?

regards

Marc
02-12-2003 Over year old.
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mvhf
Senior Heliman
Location: Antwerp, Belgium

No ideas

More than 50 views, and nobody can help me
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E-gpeden
Senior Heliman
Location: Lake Louise, Alberta, Canada

Your calculations are bang-on EXCEPT that they would be more accurate if you used 1.05 volts per cell UNDER LOAD for your calculations. Therefore all your results should be substantially lower.

The controller is varying average voltage. One thing to remember is that the percentage throttle does not proportionally reduce the resulting rpm, i.e. the rpm at 85% throttle will be higher than 85% of max rpm.

You might find some useful info on my website.....

Cheers!
Glen
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mvhf
Senior Heliman
Location: Antwerp, Belgium

Thanks Glen, You really have in interesting site, very helpfull

regards

Marc
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aeromorris
Senior Heliman
Location: Murfreesboro, TN

mvhf,
I'm really not into electrics but couldn't you just connect a GV-1 to your speed controller. I think the GV-1 can measure pulses in the 330hz range. But since your motor is probably at twice that speed you wouldn't be able to measure it off the main gear (Also your pinion is too small to mount a magnet). If you have a constant drive tail, you could place the sensor there and use the tail ratio as the main ratio in the governor. Again, I've never broken down an electic heli but just off the top, this technique seems viable.
-J
PS- When I go the field the last thing I want to take with me is a calculator. Reminds me too much of work!!!
02-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
mvhf
Senior Heliman
Location: Antwerp, Belgium

aeromorris,

I've once put up a GV1 on my electric, the sensor was on the main gear, and I just used the motor RPM in the GV1 as a reference for the Rotor RPM, this works, but it is rather expensive to put a GV1 on an electric, just to know the head speed, I think I'll put a cylco computer on it so I have a constant reading, but I did not have the time to go and buy one and put It up.
Thanks for the hints

regards
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aeromorris
Senior Heliman
Location: Murfreesboro, TN

mvhf,
Yeah the bicycle tach is definitely the easy way to go. I've got one on my Raptor 30 and it works great. (Much more cost effective than the MinAir tach IMPO). If you do a search on Bike tach you should be able to locate some pictures of different setups. If not, let me know and I can email you some pictures of mine...
-J
Just a word of caution; It's tempting to try and read the LCD screen while flying the heli. Don't make a habit of flying too close!!! Just use the Max RPM feature.
02-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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