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Gohbee Aviation Stinger 30-90 > Coming Soon....Phazor 600!
 
 
rsalazar
Key Veteran
Location: Florida, USA

David!!

Great video, very nice heli.
08-26-2007 03:55 AM
 
 
Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

How much are batteries going to cost for the electric version.

Edit
Looks like they will cost around 310 from tower.

I here you get over 150 flights a lipo before you have to recharge. So the cost is 2$ a flight.

For glow, at 17 dollars a gallon for 15% it would be $1.7 a flight, or 30% at $25 a gallon it would be $2.5 a gallon. Still, you would have less power. Makes you wonder, especially since i only do 1 flight on my stinger before i move to planks i would only need 1 battery
08-26-2007 03:25 PM
 
 
Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

AHH, the motor and esc are going to be a BUNCH though. OUCH
08-26-2007 10:59 PM
 
 
Gohbee
Senior Heliman
Location: SC

Actually the motor and ESC are comparable to Nitro prices. An OS 50 Hyper runs about $200 from what I've seen. We've tested motors that range in price from $150 to $240. A nice governor runs from $85 to $120 depending on the brand which is comparable to a good ESC. So, from my standpoint the only difference is that with batteries your paying for a year's supply of fuel up front.

The more you fly the more cost effective the electrics are. In fact if you fly regularly then I can see electrics a little less expensive. If you only fly occasionally then electrics will more expensive...but they'll always be more convenient in my book. ...Just my 2 cents.

-David
08-27-2007 02:19 AM
 
 
Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

Now, i didn't think of that. I do run a hyper and a multigov. A total of 310 dollars.

What motor were you using that was running for 150?



I almost forgot, add the 100 dollar hatori pipe and we are 410 for engine components. Dang, that could get you a really good esc/motor. To bad i already have the nitro stuff or i would go elctric
08-27-2007 03:35 AM
 
 
Gohbee
Senior Heliman
Location: SC

The $150 motor is a motor we're testing and if we like it, we'll offer it under the Gohbee brand. So far its been a pretty good performer.

-David
08-27-2007 12:23 PM
 
 
Gohbee
Senior Heliman
Location: SC

Some of you guys requested more pics at different angles in our telephone conversations. So...here are some more pics. These pics are of the machine that we were flying when we shot the video.

-David

08-28-2007 12:16 PM
 
 
Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

sweet
08-28-2007 03:04 PM
 
 
rsalazar
Key Veteran
Location: Florida, USA

very nice!!

08-28-2007 04:15 PM
 
 
willie evans
Veteran
Location: Alberta, Canada

Look's like Gohbee may have a winner here!
08-28-2007 05:55 PM
 
 
702nitro
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Looks nice!

The only thing I'm wondering is if it will have a tray/compartment to house the electronic components?

Everything looks right, but I(others) don't like the idea of having the electrics exposed like that.

T.I.A (This is Africa)
08-29-2007 12:56 AM
 
 
willie evans
Veteran
Location: Alberta, Canada

Looks like there is plenty of room under the belt drive for electronics.

This also looks like it could be converted to 10s if the battery was in that area? (in frames) and then the elctronics could sit up front.
I may have to get one to evaluate
08-29-2007 03:20 AM
 
 
Gohbee
Senior Heliman
Location: SC

I just answered some tech questions from willie via pm that I thought appropriate to post here so that everyone could benefit. See questions and answers below:

>Could you tell me if you will be trying to gear a 1600KV motor for your electric Phazor as >that would allow many buyers to use the Align 600l and Xl motors on the market.
>the RPM range of course would want to hit rotor head speed of 2300rpm under a hover load.
>I see your using a belt drive what ratio to the secondary drive is that?

Exactly. In fact, we have an Align 1650Kv motor and ESC that we’re testing on 6S. We will offer a “drive package” for this combination. We will likely offer “drive packages” for popular motors and setups. We will like offer a drive package for a “hot setup” and for a “sport setup”. The package would include the right gears, pulley, belt combination for that setup. The hot setup would emphasize power and the sport setup would emphasize flight time.

>The other Gearing I hope your able to produce is for the 1150KV motor and same RPM. >for those 6s motors

The goal is to have gearing available from 400kv up to 1800kv available from 6S to 10S. Which motor are you referring to at 1150Kv? A Neu motor by chance?

>I saw your aiming for the Im assuming 800KV motor for the 8s market, but are you also >developing a gear ratio and frames to incorperate the 10s packs like the FP10s >3700mah, they are longer and will have to of course be in the frames under would be a >bad choise.

Not really aiming at 800Kv….that just happens to be roughly mid way between 400kv and 1800kv and there are some really good motors available around 800Kv.

Actually we are testing the 10S solution using a Flightpower 10S 3300mAH brick. We're also testing the 10S solution using 2ea 5S 3700mAh packs.
08-29-2007 03:37 PM
 
 
Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

sounds good
08-30-2007 12:20 AM
 
 
dunbare
Senior Heliman
Location: Oak Ridge, TN

I was going to sell my trusted Stinger 50 airframe and get another T-Rex 600N, simply to only have to deal with one brand. Now I'm going to have to wait.

Stinger 50, T-Rex SE, T-Rex 600N Pro
08-30-2007 05:47 PM
 
 
Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

Dave
Have you crashed it yet. How did it hold up? If so what were the causes of the crashes?
08-30-2007 11:29 PM
 
 
WJackson
Key Veteran
Location: Smyrna, Delaware

I am SOOOOooooooooooooooooo ready for the eccpm Stinger 50 , Got Stinger heads just waiting for a home!!!!!

Bill Jackson
President- Delaware Heli Association
www.DelawareHeli.com
08-31-2007 12:44 AM
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Gohbee
Senior Heliman
Location: SC

So far we've crashed the prototype 4 times. To date, we've been fortunate with every crash and only sustained minimal damage. Either by luck or good fortune, we've yet to break a main frame component. (It's just a matter of time!) Below is a description of each crash and the culprit behind it. I won't name any names to protect the innocent!

The 1st Crash was due to a ESC going out due to static electricity interference issues.

The 2nd Crash was from a gyro going out in a 6 foot hover. Likely due to the same issue as above. The problem has now been solved and we haven't had any issues with any ESC or gyro that we've tested. Incidentally the interference was coming from the tail belt. We fought this problem for quite a while. Thankfully with the help of the Flightpower team (Clintstone) and the Castle Creations team, we think we've got this one solved. We're now running a different type of tail belt and the issues have gone away.

3rd Crash was from running a receiver pack too low. One of the pilots forgot to check his Rx pack voltage before flying. I guess we'd had so much fun we lost track of how many flights we had on it. Lost control at about 150 to 200 feet in the air. The attached pics are from this crash. Notice how the break-away skid pads worked. (Saved the frames!) The main blades, battery and frame survived. We ended up replacing the boom, a boom support and the landing skids. We probably should have replaced the flybar, but we just straightened it, installed the other replacement parts and got it back in the air for more testing. We calculated the retail cost for this crash was right around $29. (Including the flybar we should have replaced.)

The 4th Crash was from unsecured batteries. We were testing a 10S setup with two 5S packs and one of the 5S packs was not secured correctly. The canopy was off and we were flying right side up. The pilot gave a sharp negative pitch input and one of the batteries came loose and went up through the rotor disc. Fortunately the flybar hit the battery not the main blade. However the battery is no longer usable. This crash is the one that didn't even break the skids....and from what I understand was a pretty hard landing. (I wasn't there to witness it.)

So, there you have it. All in all, I'm very pleased with the guys we've got test flying them. They're doing an excellent job. We've made and are continuing to make adjustments when we see or perceive a problem. For sure, if the cause of a crash was due to something mechanical or in the design, we will fix it BEFORE we go to market.

-David

08-31-2007 02:46 AM
 
 
ddierking
Senior Heliman
Location: O'Fallon, MO - USA

Man, I'm gonna have to get another job so I can get one of these. The madness never ends.

Dan Dierking
Gohbee Field Rep
Gohbee Stinger 50,Phazor 600,Trex600,Predator Condor
08-31-2007 02:56 AM
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Cambo
Senior Heliman
Location: Phoenix, Arizona

That is amazing, it survived a dipin from 200ft to have only 30 dolars of damage. WOW.
08-31-2007 08:55 PM
 
 
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