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Beginners Corner > Unusual Attitudes Without Header Tank?
 
 
Slider
Senior Heliman
Location: Orange City, FL

I am thinking about installing a header tank and was wondering just how far you can push your heli without one? Would you even attempt stall turns? The reason I ask is that the only crash I have ever had was doing just that, stall turns when the engine caughed and died. I guess I didn't have something right because even though she landed right side up, it broke the LG and bent the main rotor shaft. So I am very apprehensive about doing them again without first installing a header tank. Also, if anyone has any suggestions as too which tank/mount to get, I am all ears.


Blue Skies,
Slider
02-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

Don't leave level flight without one
02-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

I flew around for months without one telling everyone that its not necessary. Then I had a crash when I was low on fuel and doing a loop. I've got one on now,, ,,,

Chris
Rex 500 A123 Power

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
02-01-2002 Over year old.
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321
Senior Heliman
Location: FL

02-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

basically three reasons too have one on .. one being to minimize the bubbles and sloshing about of the main tank, the other being keeping a constant fuel draw pressure to the carb .. the last is for an extended flight time ..

at some point the manufactures will build a secondary partion into the tanks .. eliminating the need for a external one ..

as you can see a header tank has it advantages ..


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Phil Cole
Veteran
Location: Redwood City CA

>>>>Just make sure the outlet is mounted level with the one on the main tank so that the mixture remains somewhat stable when the main tank happens to run dry.

I make a point of having them a bit different. When I hear the mixture change, I know how much fuel I have left.
02-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
321
Senior Heliman
Location: FL

02-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
clueless
Senior Heliman
Location: somewhere in between

Well put - 321
sounds pukka to me
02-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
JeepsRcool
Senior Heliman
Location: Bismarck ND

soo, what temp is a good temp for the heli engines? is it the same as .21 car engines, with those we normally run about 220 to 240, sometimes higher. Thanks!!
02-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

"header tank"

Hi Ed,

Just a correction on your three points...two are correct. It has been proven that contrary to what was initially believed, the "header tank" does not "keep a constant fuel draw pressure" at the carb. If it did one would have the same presure after the maintank empties, even when the center line of the main tank was different then that of the header tank. The only type of tank arrangement that keeps pressure at the carb the same from the top of the tank to the bottom is one plumbed in the "uniflow" manner.

People used to think that the carb would then only see the pressure head of the "header tank" at all times. If this were true then there would be no change as the main tank emptied and the only fuel was left in the header.

This is also why, in many other countries, it is called a "sub tank" and not a "header tank". It is basically there to trap the air bubbles that get sucked into the fuel line from the main tank whenever its clunk comes out of the fuel through aerobatic manoevers.

In fact if the sub tank is plumbed with a clunk it too can feed air bubbles to the carb. As it collects air from the main, it too will end up with air at the top of it (even when their is a good bit of fuel in the main). Then when inverted, if both clunks come out of the fuel and into air, then air will get into the carb line. This is why many plumb the sub tank such that it can only draws fuel from its volumetric center. Then if they never run their engines until the fuel in the sub tank gets below the volumetric center of the sub tank then the carb line will never see air bubbles.
02-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Conrod
Veteran
Location: Melbourne, Florida

header tank

Ok...so what if you are running a YS engine w/ it's on pressure system?
I realize that muffler pressure is not constant and can cause problems.
Right now, I don't have a sub tank on my YS, but am still breaking it in, so I don't have alot of experience w/ or w/o the subtank yet...
Maybe someone should do a poll and note how they have it plumbed (clunk or no clunk) (above centerline of carb or below)
02-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

I don't run a header with my YS .61 ST-2 because from what I hear the fuel is not just sucked into the motor, it is forced by the pressure.

Chris
Rex 500 A123 Power

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
02-06-2002 Over year old.
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Rotor
Key Veteran
Location: USA

I have a Freya with a YS-80 and a 3oz. round KSJ header tank and it works well.

My motto is this..Fly...Rebuild...Fly
02-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Slider
Senior Heliman
Location: Orange City, FL

I chose to install a header tank on my Ergo because my only crash came from doing stall turns with a 1/4 tank of fuel remaining. In theory, you can still get air to the carb, but I am not doing violent/inverted manuvers yet to cause this. I just want to have fun and not worry about air getting to the carb. It is cheap insurance.

Blue Skies,
Slider
02-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

YS and Sub Tank

Conrod,

A pump can still be fed airbubbles if the clunk in the maintank remains out of the fuel in the tank for any length of time. Consequently, the only way to keep air from it would be with a sub tank plumbed to do so.

The pump in the YS pumps a specific amount of pressure into the tank system. Consequently the carb will always see the same pressure. Because this pressure is constant it is easy to design the carb for a uniform fuel delivery setting at all throttle openings and because the pressure is higher then standard atmospheric pressure and higher. This larger throat area will allow for a higher fuel charge delivered to the engine cylinder when wide open for greater top end power.

Oldfart
02-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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