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wac
Senior Heliman
Location: winter park co

Hello All, I am looking to build a siginal direction and distance locator. Basically what i would like to do is track down siginals interfering with my wireless video system.

I know that i will need a reciever that is in-tune with whatever frequency i am working with and i would like to use a 4 led light display in a cross pattern(one on top, bottom, left and right). What i am not sure about is how will i gage the incoming frequency and send that signal to the correct led display.

If you can help me in building a working model, i will send you the complete plans in building this gadget

thank you
wac
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07-26-2007 Over year old.
 
 
josephk
Senior Heliman
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Hi wac,

This is an interesting concept. I never thought of this before but let me write down some brainstorming concepts here.

Well to start off, when you start the unit, it will start the following sequence.

Initialization process
1. Assuming the unit scans only 72Mhz band, we will start scanning the first channel, all the way til the end. (i.e. 72.010, 72.030, 72.050 ....etc.)
2. At each frequency, your unit needs to listen and record the signal received. Afterwards to determine if it is just noise or valid signal transmitting from nearby RC transmitter. (FM/PCM/PCM1024/PCM2048) Each type of modulation has its own communication protocol (JR/Futaba).
3. If signals determined to be valid, we then find out signal strength (not direction as air signal can come any direction). I dont think cross pattern LEDs for direction will do any good, especially when your aircraft is in the air, you will make it fly everywhere. We can find out signal strength and use as baseline using your own radio. Use LED to show signal strength.
4. GO thru step 1 again with next frequency

I hope this helps

Joe
07-28-2007 Over year old.
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josephk
Senior Heliman
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Now I read it is for video wireless system

Crazyme, I didnt even read whatcha wanna do correctly. Sorry. Let me think of this more.
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Havoc
Key Veteran
Location: Ky.

You just need to triangulate the signal. There is a whole hobby dedicated to it and I'm sure lots of resources on the net.
07-28-2007 Over year old.
 
 
wac
Senior Heliman
Location: winter park co

I dont want to track the signal down, i just want to see if its coming from the N S E or W and how strong the signal is.

wac
07-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Havoc
Key Veteran
Location: Ky.

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Basically what i would like to do is track down siginals interfering with my wireless video system

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I dont want to track the signal down, i just want to see if its coming from the N S E or W and how strong the signal is.

Arg.

An amateur radio forum would be the ideal place to ask. I would think you would need a directional antenna(s). One rotating and stopping when it hits the signal. Or one in each direction you are looking at if you can't have a moving antenna. Then an S-meter to look at relative signal strength.
07-29-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Brunobl
Veteran
Location: Pomerode, SC, Brazil - 26 40S 49 11W

Wac,

Look into how an ADF (automatic direction finder) works. There should be lots of online info on this. It the oldest but still widely used form of radio navigation system, meant to find the direction of a radio station, from one's position.

You can get a good idea of the concept if you hold a cheap AM broadcast radio, tune in a station and rotate the radio (horizontally) through 360 degrees. You will see that there are two peaks and two nulls in reception, as the internal ferrite antenna passes through different orientations with respect to the transmitter direction (the internal antenna is bidirectional and cannot differentiate front/back). Some ground-based ADF receivers add a vertical whip antenna to resolve this ambiguity. All modern airborne ADF receivers do this automatically, and directly show the transmitter direction in the form of an arrow pointer against a compass-rose. I think some land-based ADF receivers still use the manual, rotating antenna scheme.

I suspect that what you'd want to do is , as you scan through each channel, electronically change the directional field of a phased antenna array (so you don't need a rotating antenna) and record where the peak signal strength came from. It wouldn't really matter if each found signal is FM, PCM, etc, as all you'd be really looking for would be a carrier signal at each channel.

The end result could be a series of LEDs, as you said, pointing to the approximate signal direction, briefly pausing at that position for each of the active channels found, and some indication of the channel number or frequency.

In all, this is quite a challenging project and frankly I don't think it is worth the trouble or expense of pursuing, given that most people are switching to the 2.4GHz band, turning the other, nearby radio signals a non-issue.

LONG EDIT: After I posted, I realized that you don't want to scan the RC frequency band, but your wireless video band to detect interference. I then presume that you wouldn't need frequency scanning (leave it fixed at your video TX frequency) and look for offending signals before turning on your video transmitter. Anyway the rest would still apply, and I do believe this would be an overwhelmingly complex project.

For such a specific application (detecting interfering signals), maybe a much simpler compromise could be using a receiver at your video link frequency with an S-meter and directional antenna, and phisically search all directions for other signals on your video frequency before turning on your video link.

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Best regards,
Bruno.
10-04-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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