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Toolman
Senior Heliman
Location: London

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russ, do you mean it is linked to pitch now and will automatically ease off it to preserve headspeed?

I wonder what happens for autos though.
Engine at Idle, what happens to pitch!

Tim.
07-22-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

it'll only be active in idle ups i would assume.

cheers


www.waterfoothelis.com
07-22-2007 Over year old.
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Patriot
Veteran
Location: Luton

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I wonder what happens for autos though.
Engine at Idle, what happens to pitch!
As the throttle curve is below 25% the governor will be disengaged

Just smile
07-23-2007 Over year old.
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bagobitz
Veteran
Location: saddleworth,lancs,UK

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If the heli was behind plexiglass or something then fair enough but to be in an enclosed space with no protection is idiotic

That'll be the FOO SHIELD then!
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
felix12
Senior Heliman
Location: Wales, UK

ed masters

Yep, I made my way there all the way from swansea, had to turn back 5 times on saturday, eventually coming back to the M$ at Newbury to get almost to london to get north to Northapmton uni. Got there 6 pm and saw the night flying and then the masters the following day. It was very muddy but other than a bit of wind the weather was great on sunday. Martin Briggs did not turn up, though we called into him in Ledbury as we tried to get thru on saturday. Perhaps he did'nt want a 340 mile trip getting around the floods in the midlands.
Century were selling 15% fuel in cases of four gallons for £30! I mainly fly scale so I loaded up!
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
wardd
Heliman
Location: Dublin, Ireland

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I am sure the safety aspect of the demo was taken into account, in fact I bet a damn lot of thought went into it, as with all things involving the public there would of been a method statement and risk assessment done, this is a standard practise in leisure and industry, so if it was going to be unsafe then I'm sure it would of not been allowed!

What makes you so shure! I was at the show, though did not attend this seminar, and would be very concerned about any heli running in such an enclosed space as the seminar tent with spectators un-protected.

Did you not see the head fly off one of the machines in the competition!

I wonder what the insurers of the event would think if they saw the CSM demo? It sounds very irresponsible to me.
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Snake Rimmer
Senior Heliman
Location: Up north in the England

Like i said any kind of event has to have proper organisation, and one of this scale and type will of had numerous risk assessments, for everything from number of portaloos to the seminars, if there had not been a risk assessment done I would say the seminar would not of took place, and I am sure the people at csm are not in a habit of unsafe practise!

To infinity and......................... the ground............Paul
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

risk assesment....lol. like it.

cheers


www.waterfoothelis.com
07-23-2007 Over year old.
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RussD
Veteran
Location: UK

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russ, do you mean it is linked to pitch now and will automatically ease off it to preserve headspeed?

cheers

www.waterfoothelis.com

Sorry for the delayed response!

Yes very much so... but more control over how RL 30 pulls off the pitch was added at Duncans request! With high values of collective pull off & gain, you have an incredibly constant head speed regardless of what you do with the collective stick. However... with todays flying styles prompted by high torque engines, headspeed on stock set-ups is currently being allowed to drop quite dramtically in climbs and aggressive manouvers to create desired effects.

For example: Duncan was running his freestyle flybarless Synergy set-up with around 16 degrees of collective each way, with RL 30 adjusted so that it could only pull off a maximum of 4 degrees (easy calculation via % of overall pitch range), with a fairly long deadband (delay of activation) and moderate gain. In comparison, his set-manouver Synergy was adjusted to retain more headspeed via a shorter dead-band and higher gain. Sounds like a load more to fiddle with, but it is incredibly tolerant and seamless if adjusted to provide full collective management and at least give us less nimbled fingered guys a chance to match the best at collective management

Obviously the choice of engine and flying style would dictate how you adjust the unit and just maybe, there might be some serious milegae in revisiting tuned pipes if looking for absolute maximum power output from an engine, but with the ability to keep it on the Pipe

Ooops, forget to mention Peter Roper has also been testing RL 30 and used his pernalised settings on his Century Freestyle at 3DM... and Colin has also added a High Vis LED function to indicate when the collective management is activated in flight to aid setting up. And yes as soon as Revlock is disengaged, the collective management is automatically disengaged.

RussD.
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

russ, thanks very much for the response and clarifacation. i look forward to this. i will defo buy one as i'm a big revlock fan.

cheers


www.waterfoothelis.com
07-23-2007 Over year old.
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raptor50luvver
Veteran
Location: southampton UK

I am sure H and S would not allow a model heli with awesome power meant to be in free flight to be operated in an enclosed space,tethered down with unprotected members of public present

I do hope for CSM`s sake a video does not become available as i am sure H and S would love to see it

What a bunch of morons they must be
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Snake Rimmer
Senior Heliman
Location: Up north in the England

A few off you seem to have got yourselves rather worked up over the demo in the tent, you have obviously never been involved in organising an event or come to think of it, anything! and do not understand how it all works, the 3d masters will be a very well thought out event!! And all safety aspects will of been taken into consideration.

To infinity and......................... the ground............Paul
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptor50luvver
Veteran
Location: southampton UK

I have seen a tethered heli explode at close range and its not a very nice experience..

There is no way whatsoever that this would have passed a proper Health and Safety risk assesment

ALL heli manufacturers warn against Misuse,

Did Align say it was OK to strap a T Rex 600 to a block of wood so it couldnt lift off,run it up and muck around with it,in an enclosed area with members of the public in close proximity and with no form of barrier to protect against a possible failure..

Why do they have netting at events outside by the flightline,its not there just to keep the public away from the flight area,,most organised indoor shows have netting protecting people from models..

If there was a proper risk assesment done then make it available
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptor50luvver
Veteran
Location: southampton UK

Dont take me too literally,any chance to have a pop at CSM and i am like a rat up a drainpipe
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptor50luvver
Veteran
Location: southampton UK

I am quite involved with H and S with my employer at the moment (TNT) and they have gone Health and Safety crazy but its all needed nowadays due to the trend to Sue for anything..

Knowing how they work and how our work practices are questioned and safety measures required to do things on a just in case basis i cant see a heli running in this example being a good egg


If they did OK it,can we have the name of the officer as we could do with him in Southampton
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptor50luvver
Veteran
Location: southampton UK

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Its this type of ignorant attitude that allows accidents to happen, please explain to us through common sense what you see from that photo that indicates the risk managment that you claim, truthfully would you take your five year old child(your wife with baby in arms?) in that tent when the chopper was running?.


Add the fact that the poster said he was a few feet away and terrified
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Snake Rimmer
Senior Heliman
Location: Up north in the England

Personally yes I would of gone into the tent with my family, as I believe what They were doing in the tent was tried and tested and that the csm team had it all in hand.

As for seeing the risk assessments you would have to take that up with the organisers of the event,

As for wanting the HS officer in Southampton I sure you know (as your involved with h&s at work) that any senior member of a company or organisation can do a risk assessment, not necessarily the HS officer.

I run my own railway company and I know how crazy it gets with HS.

To infinity and......................... the ground............Paul
07-23-2007 Over year old.
 
 
raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

own a railway company and think thats safe....no wonder the rail system is screwed.

cheers


www.waterfoothelis.com
07-23-2007 Over year old.
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Rob Shaw
Veteran
Location: Egham, Surrey, UK

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Personally yes I would of gone into the tent with my family, as I believe what They were doing in the tent was tried and tested and that the csm team had it all in hand
Dude you must be either Mad or work for CSM, I have seen a heli explode on the ground before as it was just about to take off blade grip failure I think it was !!! one of the main blades landed about 50 metres away from the heli......so I know theres no such thing as a safe environment when helis are involved as anything could happen at any time, IMHO this was just a plain stupid thing for CSM to be doing in a tent full of people !!


07-24-2007 Over year old.
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bagobitz
Veteran
Location: saddleworth,lancs,UK

GET A GRIP, YOU BUNCH OF NAMBY-PAMBY,BRAINWASHED,P.C. JESSIES


Of course, there's a danger....it's called A CALCULATED RISK !

Even getting out of bed is dangerous.....so you minimise the risk!-shoes clear so you don't step on them in bare feet,ricking your ankle. mats on slippery floor -stuck down or grip-backed-so you don't step out of bed and go base over apex....last night's clothes hung-up so you don't trip over them...etc etc.


NOW,KIDDIES, A NEW IDEA!!!! It's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

This means acting like a big,grown-up person and deciding FOR YOURSELF, if climbing a tree, jumping off a high step, putting a cardboard cup of hot coffee between your thighs.....are TOO DANGEROUS FOR YOU....if so, you're free to refrain.

If you're frightened to explore the big,wide world alone,just keep a grip on "big-brother's"guidance.....he'll dumb you down to the lowest common denominator.
Meanwhile, I made 60, have always used my own wisdom to establish a level of risk(in any walk of life) and i'm still fit with a full complement of digits.

I'd sooner trust CSM than some bloody airy-fairy,limp-wristed,mummy's boy jobsworth.


next post I'll say what i REALLY think
07-24-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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