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Main Discussion > I'm so fed up with plankers saying they don't like how heli pilots are flying!

Shoego Heli
Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA, USA

Flying helis close to yourself

This topic started with my anger escalading after a ‘planker’ told me after I flew my heli to:
"fly north of the runway!” which at our flying field is a long way from the flying station. His and the safety officers complaint was that I was not behind the safety fence and I was flying over the runway.

These guys told me to do this and I responded with, I’m only flying just like the rest of the members do – in fact my flight was right after “Torkboy” flew some great 3d right over the runway with his mini titan. And I cited that the club president and his fellow Imac flyers, who I have seen fly knife edge, hover and so on with themselves in the middle of the runway with their 30% planes. I’m not against safety rules, but what is one to think when our own club president, many top plane flyers and heli flyers and top flyers at our funflies don’t even abide by these very same rules and then some ‘planker’ tries to enforce these rules to the rest of us at the club. Baloney, B.S., etc.

I have always felt comfortable flying my heli close to myself, whether it be hovering or doing some fast maneuver or even coming in for a landing nose in landing with my 90 heli.

I have selected a few photo clips from our own RunRyder gallery that show that many of us pilots do like to fly the helicopter relatively close to ourselves. This includes normal, 3d and inverted flying, with more than one person in close proximity and would you believe it even at funfly/competition events, a place where there are going to be even more people around than at any given flying field. If ever there should be stricter rules enforced for safety I think it should be at those events, yes the pilots are skilled, but the helis are being flown much harder and throughout the whole flight with people everywhere. Who says that a heli can’t crash or fall apart here, there are no exemptions at these events.

Some examples of what I'm describing:

flying close 3d, not barrier:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

flying close past barrier:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

flying close, few people, no barrier:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

flying close, large heli, inverted:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

same:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

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flying inverted and close:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

flying inverted and close, next to another flyer:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

flying close, competition/funfly, no barrier, lots of people:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

more:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

flying close, away from barrier
http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

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http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

someone flying NOT behind the low fence barrier

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...0/&i=23&a=0&s=0

same:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

Female flying close up

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

same, but maybe a contest:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

pilot flying scale:

http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

My agenda do is in no ways to disregard safety at all, I know what it feels like to try to stop a heli doing the “chicken dance” and the feeling when a link falls off while in fast forward flight and also to loose orientation of the heli when the heli is pointing towards people. My point is that as I have observed how I like to fly, how I have seen others fly and the many video clips of others flying, i.e. Szabo brothers and other big names, this flying is done away from a fence and you and the heli are pretty close to each other.

Somehow the grumpy plankers at our field and many other fields think this is the worse crime ever and want us heli flyers the hell out of “their” flying field because of that. And when they are called out on the same infraction, it’s well we don’t do that anymore, or planes don’t pose that same problem. BS I say to them.

And why is it that it is only someone who flies planes who try to hypocritically enforce the safety rules on us heli pilots? Look thru the RunRyder galleries and video clips, you'll find lots of examples of other pilots flying close to themselves at your regular 'ol flying field, at funflies and competitions.

Needless to say it was a bit tenseful at the field last Sunday morning. The heli pilots were saying, why do they hate us so much? So the next time a planker tells you to stop flying over the runway, tell them as soon as they stop hovering over that same runway with their foamy or 30% plane.

Having my heli: Cool, Having a working heli: Awesome, Having a day to fly: PRICELESS!

07-08-2007 Over year old.

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bigdad390
Veteran
Location: e. liverpool, ohio

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Female flying close up http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

This picture must be an optical illusion, if I stare at the picture long enough, I can begin to see a helicopter in it.

07-08-2007 Over year old.

Jason Bell
Elite Veteran
Location: San Diego, Ca

I agree, if Shoego heli was approached, I should of been approached as well. I was over the runway, 3Ding my mini titan around. But this was before the "X person" came, and had told shoego to fly out past.

We just received our flypaper, and our club president stated this

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Safety…all flying needs to be north of the runway
over the dirt….that is the club rule and we need to adhere to
this rule in all cases. This is a deadline and it is not to be taken
lightly by any member or guest flying at out field. We have
been lax lately and we need to tighten this up. If you like to fly
close to your aircraft then walk out to the edge of the runway
by the dirt and stand out there….I do not recommend this but
if no one objects to your request then go out to the far north
edge of the runway and hang it close to the ground. Pilot stations
are the rule otherwise for all other normal flying.

And later on in the flypaper, there is a picture of a "pro" plank flyer hovering his 40% plank a foot away from him, OVER THE RUNWAY

So if Joe, the guest of whoever was present at the field at that time, im assuming the president. I guess I can invite Alan Szabo, or Danny, or anyone, and say sure go ahead, fly over the runway, we dont mind.

ITS TOTAL BALOGNA. If it shall be enforced to 1 person, it should be inforced to ALL!!!

Team Avant
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Vblades

07-08-2007 Over year old.

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J.D. Wilson
Elite Veteran
Location: Nashville, TN

They are just jealous. lol. I've had the same problem at my field. Now I just try to time my visits when there will be few if any plankers out. Some of them really just don't like helis and wish we would get the he11 out of their clubs.

Let your flying do the talking - don't talk about your flying

07-08-2007 Over year old.

Pyrock
Key Veteran
Location: SF Bay Area

I've experienced the same thing at my local club which is why I dont fly there too often. They make me fly beyond the runway which means that my heli must be approximately 25-40 yards away. I like to take off and fly around 10-12 yards from me.

Blinged Trex 450SE, Stretched Logo 10 3D, Ion-X

07-08-2007 Over year old.

Raptor3DPilot
Key Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Quote
Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Female flying close up http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This picture must be an optical illusion, if I stare at the picture long enough, I can begin to see a helicopter in it.

Man I've been staring at it for 10 minutes and still can't see it... is this a joke?? HAHA

Airplanes are for guys with one dumb thumb...

07-08-2007 Over year old.

AltecLansing
Key Veteran
Location: Under the tire of a truck

I can't get the link to point to a viewable picture for me.

Man, I miss the eighties.

07-08-2007 Over year old.

Raptor3DPilot
Key Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

gotta click on the original post pic

Airplanes are for guys with one dumb thumb...

07-08-2007 Over year old.

#55
Senior Heliman
Location: Ft. Hood, TX

hey----watch yourself...your FIRST pic of "flying close 3D without a barrier"---uh, ya- I was THERE and that would be the DRAG-RACING Event at the St. Louis fun-fly

that's my old club- don't be accusing ppl of stuff they don't do.

flying 60's in the Hood

07-08-2007 Over year old.

darksidedave
Senior Heliman
Location: niles,MI

Does he seem to give the plankers salute while clearing the runway of debree?
http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.txt

07-08-2007 Over year old.

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Leif
Elite Veteran
Location: Oxford, PA - USA

Telephoto Effect

Many of those shots were taken with telephoto zoom. This tends to make objects appear closer together than they actually are.

This shot, for example gives the impression that the heli is less than one meter from the pilot although it is probably at least two or three times as far. Still too close IMO, but not as close at the photo makes it appear.

The AMA rule for safe flying distance is 25 feet, although that designation appears to be for spectators. A 90-class heli can cover that distance in a fraction of a second.

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With the exception of events flown under official AMA Competition Regulation rules, excluding takeoff and landing, no powered model may be flown outdoors closer than 25 feet to any individual, except for the pilot and the pilot's helper(s) located at the flightline.

Leif

07-08-2007 Over year old.

Shoego Heli
Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA, USA

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Does he seem to give the plankers salute while clearing the runway of debree? http://www.runryder.com/rrpw.htm?d=...&s=-Welcome.t

That's a good one.

BTW I got a pm from Torkboy regarding a club meeting 'The Flypaper' is the name of our monthly newsletter:

Quote
saw that flypaper, got me pissed off. Tim states 1 thing. Then later one shows his friend (who I know he kissed ass to), hovering over the runway.... umm...u dont have to be stupid to get it...... Seems kinda dumb for you to say one thing, and then show something doing the complete opposite

Just as I was describing earlier in the post. Even as the club president says all this stuff there is a newsletter that shows a planker doing the very opposite of what they want a heli flyer to do. Dang double standards.

Here is the link to our club newsletter, page 5 shows the picture and page 2 in the 2nd paragraph and on page 3 it is regurgitated again. This is what Torkboy was pointing out to me :

http://cvmrcc.com/newsletter/0707.pdf

Having my heli: Cool, Having a working heli: Awesome, Having a day to fly: PRICELESS!

07-08-2007 Over year old.

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Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Being told to not fly close to yourself isn't bad. It is for safety. If you're flying a plank or a heli within 15 - 20 feet or so of yourself, it is too close. That can get closer with something like a mini heli or a foamy plank, but even then care needs to be taken. I've seen someone get hit by a heli (30 size), I've also seen people get hit by various planks. None of it was pretty, and once you see it, you'll always keep it a little farther out.

That's not to say that the person who spoke to you isn't being hypocritical, it sounds like they are. However, the basic message that people fly WAY too close to themselves is a good one. I can find a million pictures of people doing dumb things if I look, it doesn't make it right.

Nick Crego
Back off man, I'm a scientist.

07-08-2007 Over year old.

hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

Nick hit the nail on the head. We had a fellow get hit this summer. I wasn't there but I can tell you rules or no rules, these helis can kill you if you aren't careful.

"Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all.

07-08-2007 Over year old.

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Dood
Elite Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

Shoego
If this is at the field I think it is (Palomar), I thought they had 2 seperate flying areas to keep the planes and heli's seperate.
Is this correct?

07-08-2007 Over year old.

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Shoego Heli
Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA, USA

No that isn't the one, this field that has the link to it is on the USA - Mexican border, where the border is only a few hundred feet from us.

As I mentioned earlier I am not at all against safety, I love it when I can come back the next day to fly. Just don't hand out 1 set of rules to heli pilots and then create your own rules as a plane pilot in the same breath. The link to our July 2007 newletter exemplifies how that has been working at our club.

Having my heli: Cool, Having a working heli: Awesome, Having a day to fly: PRICELESS!

07-08-2007 Over year old.

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gian
Senior Heliman
Location: AZ

And planes can't kill you!? What's with the singling out helis? I think that the head of the nail has been missed. The argument is over the double-standards that some of the fools that we fly with hold- not safety rules or how dangerous any particular model is.

07-08-2007 Over year old.

RCMed-x
Veteran
Location: westpalmbeachflorida usa

Just to chime in Ive been hit by a 40% plane at my field and I was on heli pad it seems more planks come into pit area than helis I think people flying helis are more into their birds than plankers not all plankers the ones that are into planes like we are helis are not bitc*ing its seems to be the haters sometimes it seem to be about money I hear all the time (must be nice to afford flying and crashing helicopters)so they complain about the rules I used to be pres at my field just to keep peace between planks & helis Ive never been hit by a heli or had to run from one in the pits so far that's my argument

07-08-2007 Over year old.

Shoego Heli
Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA, USA

Thanks gian, that is what I've been trying to get across here.

I have seen at our field and the one in Mission Bay next to Sea World that planes on take-off and landing are most dangerous. At take off, especially with a beginner they cut the throttle and the plane ends up going towards the pits and on landings a stalling plane bounces into the same area.

Having my heli: Cool, Having a working heli: Awesome, Having a day to fly: PRICELESS!

07-08-2007 Over year old.

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GMONEY
Senior Heliman
Location: Upland CA

I have been at that field with my PLANKER BOYS and yes we did some serious hovering over the runway! Hey Bro dont let that stuff get to you. Go out fly your helos put a smile on your face. Thats about the best you can do. There has been and always will be a divide. I have broken that divide by learning to fly helo's. Which in turn has gotten some of my hard core PLANKER BOYS to pick up a helo. Its cool to pull up with the trailer with two 40% fixed wing birds and fly the crap out of my helo all day..

GMONEY

Beware of trolls!!!

07-09-2007 Over year old.

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