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talk the torque
Senior Heliman
Location: SA

Tip a cleaner air frame will give you a better full throttle speed but wont make any or little difference to stall speed. Everyone will set up their plane to suit the way they like to fly, I like drag on my AP planes. I have just re setup my radio a week ago so that when I switch my flaps on they mix automatically with the throttle from half throttle. They start engaging at half throttle and are at full by the time the throttle hits zero, the ailerons go up as the flaps go down. The end result is slow proportional flaps but more importantly its like going downhill on a bicycle with brakes Flying around and down obstacles, it really makes a difference.

Kev if that is in 10mph wind that is nothing short of amazing. Absolutely stunning, that askman is doing a great job as well. We have constructed a mount to try on the bipe but I can see that with it being front mounted it is going to cause me some problems. I have not put shocks on yet but this is just a test so I will use elastics just for that. I really think the CG is the point to be as it is the pivotal point. At the mo if I pick the frame up at the CG and move the rudder left and right it swings the camera all over where if it were at the CG it would not swing but just rotate. Which Askman mount are you using Kev? I dont know if he is making at the moment, sounds like he is not replying to any emails. Hey its nice flying FPV hey
...and nice snow machine
10-09-2008 10:49 PM
 
 
cranester
Key Veteran
Location: Bogota, Colombia

Burnt, that was great footage from the aurora, good to know you are now flying FPV, it is very useful for AP. Did you have a spotter for that flight?

Juan Crane
10-09-2008 10:59 PM
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Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

Hey Denny, I have to tell you, something I hope I never have to do is have moving out of Alaska become a reality. There are no words to describe how much I love it here. As far as I'm concerned I will be buried here. I have seen the rest of the country, and this is a great nation, but Alaska is my home. There is simply no where else like it. My kids will remember all the things you mentioned PLUS, me getting hem up at 2 am on several occasions to look at the northern lights. I would roust the entire family out of bed. We would all jump in the car and drive out to a hay field when it was -35 to get a unobstructed view of the northern lights at their peak. O man, its so awesome.
Jason, yepper on the wind. if you watch that video to the part where I am above the road, you can see me holding a little right aileron into the plane to compensate for the crosswind. I converted the Aurora into a pusher. At first I HATED IT!! It seemed to take way more power to get it airborne, and then way more power to keep it in the air. I got so mad I converted it back to the front mount again. But I could not come up with a way to get good video with the engine on the front of the plane. So I decided no matter what it took I was going back to a pusher, and I was going to stay there until I got it to perform like it does with the engine on the front. It took a while, but I finally got it to where it would take off on a dime, stay airborne at less than half throttle, and land on a dime. Then of course I had to redo all my LG, move the camera and mount to the front of the plane, etc etc. But I finally got it to where I like it, and believe me, that wasn't easy.
No Juan I didn't have a spotter. Juan AND Jason, you both are schooled up on FPV. Yesterday was my first attempt. I am open to any and all advice on what the tricks are, the to do's and not to do's. I found out right away yesterday that electric motors are useless whn trying to locate the plane as you simply cannot hear them. At one point I was forced to fly FPV fro quite a while as I TOTTALY lost where the plane was as I completely loss visual of it. Man THAT was scary bbut also very cool! I don't have a designated camera for FPV which I will be going to eventually. I was flying right off the camera downlink. I want to get a KX 131 or 141 camera soley for flying FPV. I am hoping eventually to do a lot more FPV flying. I would be trying again today except it is really windy.
Jason, I will try to get a picture up of the converted Aurora.

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
10-10-2008 12:14 AM
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banffdude
New Heliman
Location: Banff, Alberta

A thank you

This thread has been my bible and I would like to thank everyone who has shared valuable information for my self and others. I would particularly like to thank Burnt Offering. He and I corresponed significantly and I built my SS to his specs. After some grief and a couple of 'hard landings', I was able to take some shots yesterday.



By the way Kevo...your video is amazing. I love it!
10-10-2008 04:27 PM
 
 
Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

Fantastic Mark, great job. The first one can easily have the horizon leveled on it, the second one is good to go. Keep up the good work and keep practicing. Every chance you get fly and practice taking pictures. I am anxious to see your progress. Welcome to the club!

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
10-10-2008 05:06 PM
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talk the torque
Senior Heliman
Location: SA

Hey Kev, I know exacly what you mean about losing the plane flying FPV. I once lost the plane for 5min at a shoot... lol. From looking at my LCD I worked backwards to where the plane should be in the sky but when I looked to the sky all i saw was a blinding sun. It was windy and by the time I looked back at the LCD and got my vision back the plane was in a very tight bank and turning. I leveled the wings in FPV mode and kept looking towards the sun hoping to see the plane coming out but somehow i had missed it coming out. I was in a new area that i didnt know. I was flying FPV and because i had got far and low the reception was getting bad. A few close encounters with trees, rugby posts and flood lights didnt help matters or my nerves I agree with the spotter idea, if you can, even better if the spotter can fly. If it is not possible then try do short glances at the screen and keep checking back for the plane. I dont want goggles because i want a fail safe system incase i loose reception. my mobile monitor works well because it is easy and quick to view up and down. I have just ordered some eyetop glasses and once i have tested them i will let you guys know how they work.
10-11-2008 12:29 AM
 
 
Tonic
Senior Heliman
Location: Des Moines

Well done “Banff” me lad …welcome!

Talk, I got into that. I had to read that one twice …thanks. You’ll never forget that one.

Burnt my brother, what can I say? I update my wife on Alaska weather now …you’re the DUDE!

Some of the fun for me and this thread is this window on the world kind of thing, most every one I know lives in Iowa, not so many from Alaska, South Africa, Oklahoma, Alberta and Bogota. Keep the picture from around the world coming guys.

Thanks all,

Tonic
10-11-2008 03:08 AM
 
 
Envision
Senior Heliman
Location: MI

Here's some scrap carbon fiber I got from IRCHA 07, I knew some day I'd need it. Along with my ideas comes designing in my 'sign software' for cutting stickers. I cut removable stencils of the design and made to fit specific pieces of the scrap. Each piece is hand cut with a dremel and glued into place. Here are some of the items I've created.







What are those weird contraptions? It'll all come together soon, just waiting for that darn glue to dry.

Troy
10-13-2008 02:56 AM
 
 
ministock22
Senior Heliman
Location: Newcastle, OK

Well, while I was at Texoma for the AP Conference, I visited the local hobby shop their, and the guy just so happened to have a GWS SS built and ready to fly, so I bought it. I tried to fly it in about a 10 mph wind and it was insane. It was amazing that I even got the thing back to earth without totally tearing it apart. What are you guys doing to be able to fly these things in any kind of wind, is it the ailerons? A plane with no ailerons, man I didn't like that at all.

Denny
10-13-2008 05:58 PM
 
 
Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

LOL, Denny, you just experienced the same thing that I did the first SS I ever flew. There are many things I'm sure you are aware of that you need to do to get it to perform like a true AP ship. Ailerons of cours being the most important. But I will tell you, once the ailerons are on, she flys and handles a lot better with a good 10 ounces of weight on it. But to make it an AP ship you have a LOT of work ahead of you. But its worth it.

Kevo

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
10-13-2008 06:06 PM
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Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

Oh, by the way, How was the AP conference? I sure wanted to go.

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
10-13-2008 06:19 PM
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ministock22
Senior Heliman
Location: Newcastle, OK

Yea I know I have a lot of work to do, I just wanted to get one to start playing around with and to see how they fly. I will get the ailerons on and then give it another try, then I'll try to add some weight to it.

The AP conference was great for being the 1st one. It needs to be a little more organized, as far as like having a schedule of some sort. Other than that I wouldn't change a thing. Great place to stay and fly, I'm getting ready to post a couple of pics that I took above the marina. It was incredible to me how big lake Texoma is.

Thanks for the info on my SS!

Denny
10-13-2008 07:39 PM
 
 
talk the torque
Senior Heliman
Location: SA

Ok my latest project. This is my new Std size SS. The idea came from many guys building front motor on a high pod with the not so nice flying characteristics. I built in quite a bit of up thrust so that it would stop the tucking problem but with the idea that it will also give additional lift when doing powered landings. I have designed the mount to go in front of the motor to protect it in the normal AP enviroments. I have also increased the tail moment length and moved the rudder slightly forward of the elevator so that the elevator can get more up movement. The idea of this is to get this plane to harrier.

The maiden flight went well. The up thrust made all the difference to the pitching problems assocciated with the high front motor. There was no or very little pitch problems at any throttle setting. My angle was just a guess and is about 13 degrees. I am puting an adjustable mount for the motor to be able to get the final up thrust angles but I think it will be more as I want it to help pull the nose up for the harrier. I did do some harrier tests today but found at those very high angles and slow speeds the high motor was keeping the plane from holding pitch nicely.

Some pics

10-13-2008 09:30 PM
 
 
Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

Troy, Thank you for posting the mods and progress on your SS. I have seen your inginuity on AP landing and I know what you come up with on your SS project will be revolutionary. Please keep us updated with some pictures and even videos if you can. And I am glad to have you aboard this thread and the SS club!
Jason, you never cease to amaze me! I finally go with a pusher config on my Aurora with prompting from you a year or so ago on how good it works, and then what? You go back to a front mount! Thanks PAL!! Regardless, that is one differnt looking mount for an engine. It looks like an arm pointing backward getting ready to shoot itself. Knowing you though you are on the edge of some big breakthrough. In your opinion, do you think you will like this better than a pusher? And why with all the good luck you've had with your pusher are you going switching to this configuration? Is it because of its ability to better "Harrier" in on your landings?

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
10-14-2008 02:42 AM
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talk the torque
Senior Heliman
Location: SA

Ha ha Kev, sorry Buddy I am just trying a different design but the main reason is the harrier. I have been away from home for a few days and because I had no PC I posted from my mobile phone. Unfortunately I hit the cancel button just before I was gonna send my long 1/2 hr msg and and promptly lost my post I had written down the reasons I went with the pusher. The main reason was the propblast over the camera, safety of the prop striking anyone if the plane went out of control and clearing the front for a front mounted camera. Most people believe pushers dont fly well and have this idea that pushing must mean instability. My pusher flies very well and is still my best plane just because it has more pros than cons for AP and is also so practical over any of my other SS but I will never know if I dont try and maybe something new can be learnt.
10-14-2008 08:38 AM
 
 
ministock22
Senior Heliman
Location: Newcastle, OK

Hey Jason, just curious what the white cord is that goes to the back tail and is tied of there for?

Denny
10-14-2008 03:38 PM
 
 
Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

Denny, I think thats his RX antenna.

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
10-14-2008 04:11 PM
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banffdude
New Heliman
Location: Banff, Alberta

SS wing

Good day experts,

I will be building a new wing for my SS. My first wing was modelled after Burnt's, with the external ailerons and extra bracing. It has been a great wing and proved incredibly strong and crashworthy. I think that my next wing will be similar if not identical with only one difference...no dihedral. Obviously the plane won't right itself anymore...what other flight differences can I expect? More lift? That would be good. Slower stall speed? That would be good. Better in the wind? That would be great.

Regards,
Mark
10-14-2008 04:23 PM
 
 
Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

The only real difference with the flat wing is it really cuts through the wind way better. You need to be aware though buddy. Now you will have to "Fly" the plane. It s abit more difficult to fly. You will really need to keep track of your orientation as in a turn, like you say the plane will no longer right itself. But still, its worth it to go to a flat wing.

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
10-14-2008 04:29 PM
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banffdude
New Heliman
Location: Banff, Alberta

Thanks Kevin...flat wing it is then!
10-14-2008 05:03 PM
 
 
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