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cranester
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Location: Bogota, Colombia

Talk, thats my AUW as well, Im thinking I like my setup as it is I wouldn't want to run only one bat for everything, cause if if it goes when flying FPV I'll probably loose the plane, so I'm thinking its going to be a lighter camera or a better motor, since your weight is the same as mine how well does that eflight motor you got there handle it?

Juan Crane
09-04-2008 02:44 PM
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cranester
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Location: Bogota, Colombia

Ok here's the last job with the SS, I took off from the soccer field behind the building. Also FPV



And here's a shot of the city, I took it while flying away from the building before turning around to frame the shot.Terrible weather around here.



Juan Crane
09-04-2008 07:38 PM
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Burnt Offering
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Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

Awesome Juan. Little less knee knocking going on with the Slow Stick as opposed to your heli eh? Juan you are an inspiration to us all. I am glad you are on the Slow Stick Bandwagon.

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
09-04-2008 11:04 PM
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cranester
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Location: Bogota, Colombia

Hey burnt thanks!

I have a question, what are the advantages of extending the wings a little bit using another SS wing? More lift so better payload capacity I guess, but if I keep my motor will I have shorter TOL?

Juan Crane
09-04-2008 11:30 PM
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Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

MAN, did I know THAT question was coming or what!!?? Let me give tell you a little secret my friend. I used an Eflite park 450 on my Aurora as a test just to see how little power it would take to get it in the air. Now I will not tell you that it did it in style or with any amount of extra power to spare, in fact I had the throttle to the wood just to maintain flight. But my point is this. That tiny engine took my Aurora with an almost 7 foot wingspan, weighing over 5 pounds into the air and I flew it around until the battery went dead. Knowing what I know, I was just waiting for you to ask me this as I had already thought of it for you. I was just curious to see how long it would take before you started contemplating this. Again, I would go with the Eflite park 480 1020. The end of your engine questions. The beautiful thing about the SS especially if you use the stock foam parts is that you can extend the wings without adding any significant weight to the plane. If I were you here is what I would do. I would not alter the wing you currently have. I NEVER alter a perfectly good wing that could potentially leave me without an AP ship. That being said, order several SS kits and build another wing. I would extend each wing tip 4 inches. This would give you more lift and require even less TOL space. You will NOT need to add a bigger motor in fact your motor will not be working as hard. There is one drawback however and it is one to consider. The bigger your wing the more drag there is which in a no wind siutation is not a big deal. But in a strong wind you will notice the difference. Traveling up wind will be more difficult and as a result it is more likely to drain your battery quicker. I need to address that here though. I can only think of a couple times where I ran my battery dead before I completed a shoot. Most all my shoots I have what I need in the way of pictures after 6-10 minutes leaving more than ample power left in my batteries. So you have to decide what the trade off is. You sound competent enough to get your pictures quickly with battery time to spare, making it feasible to extend your wings for added lift. I would go for it as I personally have done this and it is a great remedy for more lift. Doing this though will not allow you to start sticking more weight on your plane, but what it will do is give you a plane that handles the weight you have now more eficiently. Hope all that makes sense.

Kevo

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
09-04-2008 11:55 PM
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cranester
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Location: Bogota, Colombia

Yeah perfect sense, it's just what I thought. Today when I was trying to take off from that soccer field the grass was quite long and the SS would just not take off due to the resistance (I had to hand lauch) thats when I thought a little longer wing would realy help giving more lift at slower speeds

Juan Crane
09-05-2008 12:02 AM
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Tonic
Senior Heliman
Location: Des Moines

Very well done Juan. Man you take that out a long way. I'll go high but I keep it straight over head, I'd lose it as far out as your going.

Tonic
09-05-2008 01:03 AM
 
 
Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

Hey Robby, when your Pest Control biz slows down, why don't you ship your SS up here, jump a plane, come on up to ol Kevos house, we will watch the election (specifically Sarah Palin), eat moose and salmon, sit around the fireplace and tell lies and I'll get you all schooled up on long distance flying a SS at the unlimited Alaska flying field. O yeah, be sure to bring your ear muffs!

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
09-05-2008 01:10 AM
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cranester
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Location: Bogota, Colombia

Tonic I was flying FPV my spotter was keeping an eye on the plane, I was looking at the monitor.

Juan Crane
09-05-2008 01:31 AM
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Tonic
Senior Heliman
Location: Des Moines

Juan I don't know what FPV is. I'm assuming your piloting with some visuals down linked from you plane. So when people ask me; "How far away can you fly it?" ...it's a good question.

Tonic
09-05-2008 12:03 PM
 
 
cranester
Key Veteran
Location: Bogota, Colombia

Tonic I've been as far as 2.5 KM without any issues, this was probably 400 mts, piece of cake!

Heres some FPV flying so you get the idea Tonic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6P3boxr8hk

Juan Crane
09-05-2008 01:08 PM
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cranester
Key Veteran
Location: Bogota, Colombia

Just finished my AP easy glider for the the longer range/Higher altitude shots. Motor is easily removed so it can be used in the SS aswell check out the new camera! super light Canon sd 1100 IS, maiden will be tomorrow, I had this plane sitting around for ages, today I decided to bring it back to life.





Juan Crane
09-06-2008 02:01 AM
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AceBird
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Location: Utica, NY USA

Isn't black the most difficult color to see in the air?

Ace
What could be more fun?
09-06-2008 02:13 PM
 
 
Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

Not if you are flying FPV. If I'm not mistaken I see an FPV camera on there. Besides Ace, it looks cool. It looks, well.... stealthy.

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
09-06-2008 03:32 PM
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FLAP
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Location: Michigan

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Isn't black the most difficult color to see in the air?

Most gliders have light colored top and darker colored bottoms. The contrast of the dark color against the lighter sky makes them easier to see then our traditional yellows/oranges etc.
09-06-2008 05:55 PM
 
 
cranester
Key Veteran
Location: Bogota, Colombia

Well.... you must be wondering the easy glider maiden flight went.

Not very well, the controller (electrifly ss34) ignited in mid flight!

I completely lost control and the plane went down.... in a SWAMP!
So I walked there and in order to get to swamp it was necesary to cross a river, I was about to give up on it because there was no boat or anything to get to the plane, Then this guy showed up, he said he lived near by (he was a farmer) and said he could get it out. Do you have a boat I asked, he said no, but I have a large styrafoam block.

So he went and got the plane for me, on his way back the styrafoam (how do you spell this word?) block fliped and in the river he went, with my plane!! If anything had survived the first plunge it sure was going to fry now!

In the end only the controller was damaged everything else survived (fortunately no cameras or FPV equipment on board.

Enjoy:







Juan Crane
09-06-2008 07:39 PM
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Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

LOLOLOLOL. OMG Juan I'm not laaughing at your misfortune, only because I can REALTE!! Yo are awesome dude!!

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
09-06-2008 07:44 PM
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Burnt Offering
Veteran
Location: Winter Wonder Land, Wasilla Alaska

OK, guys, I just got back from test flying my best wing design yet for the SMALL SS. I drew from Jasons design using two servos. Most of it was fashioned after my Aurora. If you were to look at that it would look EXACTLY the same except that the wingspan is almost 7 feet. MY DISCLAMER!!! I feel it is important to say this. I do the very best I can to use ALL SLOW STICK PARTS. This or any of my designs could be improved upon, such as getting different carbon fiber rods. I look for any and every way to keep from adding any additional expenses to my planes. I mentioned in an earlier post I would let you all know what you can do to once and for all get rid of the dreaded SS wing flutter. You are looking at it. At the end of the wing tips I cut out a section of wing out of another wing that I had. I then epoxied it over the top of my support rods. Gang, this wing is so strong its unreal. I was just out putting this bad boy throught the paces and I have to tell you, I had a 10 ounce socket strapped to it and I was doing loops with it and I could not see any discernable wing flex. For those of us that have experienced the wing flutter, Well, say goodbye to that.
Pay attention to #2, this not only addes more strength, but also keeps the wings from getting crushed from the force of the rubber bands.
This wing is by far my best wing creation for the Small SS. I didn't configure them today, but when complete this wing will have fully functional flaprons. If you have any questions let me know.

Kevo

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
09-06-2008 10:06 PM
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monterey_tip
Veteran
Location: Monterey, Ca - USA

Juan, sorry to hear you ended up in the swamp. It's amazing how helpful a complete stranger can be. Who'd have thought of going after it with a foam block? You guys have snakes in those swamps?
FPV looks like a lot of fun. You guys have any suggestions of where to buy downlinks legal in the US? I just started using a 2.4ghz Tx, so it needs to be compatible.

The new wing looks like a winner Kevo. I'm about ready to build another one.

Tip
09-06-2008 11:53 PM
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Tritan
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden

Great looking wing, Kevo

When building flaperons dont forget to have the widest width inboards and smallest width of the flaperon at the tip. Also, the ailerons and/or flaperons must not go any further than to your #2. So not all the way to the tip.

When deployed it makes the tip to have a less angle of attack than the inner part of wing. And that makes the wing to have better stall characteristics.

Kevo, what about moving your aileons/flaps about 150mm / 6 inches more inwards and make the tip of them less wide? That would also put less torsion on the wing ...

Take at look at the Soarstick wing: it is almost a perfect wing in all ways, stiff, good stall and flying characteristics and very light also, about 200 grams with 2 servos. You can see my yellow Soarstick AP here: http://runryder.com/helicopter/t457666p1/

But it's very rewarding experimenting with the original Stick stuff!! And its a great flying little plane - I just love it!!

Tritan
09-07-2008 09:39 AM
 
 
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