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Align T-REX 600N 700N > Voltage Regulator: Align 2 in 1 or Fromeco?
 
 
Rockohaulic
Elite Veteran
Location: Valencia, CA, USA, 3rd Rock from the Sun

OK - I guess I need to learn about these fancy voltage regulator things!

I guess I'm old school with a good ol' tried and true 4.8V NiMh RX battery pack! Sheesh, what's this hobby comming to?

1. So, let me hear from all you guys with the Fromeco system and the Align 2 in 1. Are you happy with your setup? Have you had any show-stopper issues?

2. I have heard several answers to this question, but here goes: What is the bottom line on the Gyro Servo? If your regulator is set at 5.8 volts, do you or do you not have to step down the voltage for the tail servo?????

Life was so easy before!

I got a helicopter for my girlfriend,
It was a good trade!
06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
baddraptor
Elite Veteran
Location: valencia, ca- usa

I would use a step down to make it 5.1v to the tail. I will sell you an Align 6v reg with step down. never used...

You have seen mine fly on the fromeco, it works very well. But I think for the money, the align is the way to go. I have never heard of any issues with the Align reg on the Erex.

**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

I used the align model with the stepdown on my gasser without any problems.

Gas is Great
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06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
alcastan
Senior Heliman
Location: San Luis Potosi, Mexico

I´m using the Fromeco Arizona and a 4800 peerless, I can´t speak for the align, but the Fromeco it´s the best I´ve used

An yes the servos for the gyros are meant to work at most 5 V,

Correct me if I´m wrong


Alejandro,

Momma used to say, life's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get!
06-20-2007 Over year old.
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Ticidytoc
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles, Ca.

One thing to remember the Align 2in1 has on board glow, where as the Fromeco does not.

6A cont. is more than enough current handling capacity for a .50 size bird.

The Fromeco had a built in step down for the tail servo, the Align you will need to add a diode to drop the voltage by .8.
06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
uf-engineer
Senior Heliman
Location: Jacksonville, Florida

Align sells a voltage step down for the tail. I think it was $3.99
06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Rockohaulic
Elite Veteran
Location: Valencia, CA, USA, 3rd Rock from the Sun

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Align sells a voltage step down for the tail. I think it was $3.99

Excuse my ignorance, but does this just plug in-line with the tail servo like a servo extension???

I got a helicopter for my girlfriend,
It was a good trade!
06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Rockohaulic
Elite Veteran
Location: Valencia, CA, USA, 3rd Rock from the Sun

Oops, one more stupid question...

Can you run the 5.8 volts from a regulated system to servos like S9252?

And if so, and I have heard that many do, then can you also run 5.8 volts to the tail servo, or is it different somehow??

I got a helicopter for my girlfriend,
It was a good trade!
06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
colsy
Elite Veteran
Location: Cambridge, UK

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Excuse my ignorance, but does this just plug in-line with the tail servo like a servo extension???
Yes exactly that, they normally drop 0.6v or 1.2v.

colin.

Only Quote From Experience.
06-20-2007 Over year old.
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Goose(is dead...)
Heliman
Location: UK

Fromeco no contest! (Maybe that's a little over the top...)

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I´m using the Fromeco Arizona and a 4800 peerless, I can´t speak for the align, but the Fromeco it´s the best I´ve used

An yes the servos for the gyros are meant to work at most 5 V,

Correct me if I´m wrong

Alejandro,

My Vibe is all JR except for the Gyro and tail servo which is the Futaba 611 combo. It continues to amaze me as I get myself on all sorts of trouble ! but the heading lock doesn't budge. One thing that is - perhaps - not considered in this issue is the difference between the volts & amps drawn by the gyro and servo. For example a JR - 8711 (which has 25kg/cm torque) can draw up to 3.8amps at 6volts. That is a hell of a lot of current. All IMACS run 'Power Boxes' or Expanders so the Rx is not subjected to 10+ digi servos with the potential to draw this amount of current. There is actually another cited element called a colomb which is essentially a packet of energy (I need hardcore Physist to explain it further as I may get it wrong, please help!!). The bottom line is the Futaba gear (on Futaba.com)explicitly stipulate that it can only handle 4.8 volts.

It's interesting how Futaba or JR really never give an explanation as to the intricate workings of the Gyro sensor. Except that the sensor measures the change in the angular velocity, not the physical displacement of the Gyro. At a guess, I'm tipping there are nth number of individual current streams running up a semi-conductor with parallel 'grooves' in it and when a rotation of the heli occurs these energy streams cross over the grooves and the result is sent to the amplifier and the gyro inputs a command to the servo to rectify. (Of possible interest, Futaba and Hi-Tec servos have a Frame Per Second (FPS)rating of 333. JR gyros has 250 FPS inputs. That is why you should never mix the two brands. Although I hear that Master Curtis in bringing out his Gyro will have a switch to define the output FPS.

I run exactly the same setup as Alejandro. The Fromeco regulator is very clever in that it delivers 4.8V to the Gyro and tail servo and delivers a variable voltage (4.8 - 6v)to the rest of the servos.

Admittadly, I have never used an Align but clearly I have no doubt what they offer is top quality.

The major point I like about the Fromco is that if you look at the IC board there are not as many elements and you adjust the variable voltage in a unique fashion - with no pots (which have the potential to fail, in a high load situation.

What is of interest to me is that Scott Grey is one of only a handful of the 'Top Guns' using a LiPo Rx Batt. The Pearless is a Lithium Ion.

I hope I haven't made things more confusing but the bottom line is you need to consider all your electronics and flying style, beit agressive or crusy in order to select the best gear.

I would love if someone could explain the relevance of the colomb measurement - I don't want to post anything I'm not 100% of.

All the best, please let us all know how you go


cheers from Down Under..
06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Rockohaulic
Elite Veteran
Location: Valencia, CA, USA, 3rd Rock from the Sun

Darn the luck - I knew I should have stayed awake in that circuits class!

I got a helicopter for my girlfriend,
It was a good trade!
06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

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At a guess, I'm tipping there are nth number of individual current streams running up a semi-conductor with parallel 'grooves' in it and when a rotation of the heli occurs these energy streams cross over the grooves and the result is sent to the amplifier and the gyro inputs a command to the servo to rectify.

Thats some pretty cool alternative physics you got goin' there.
06-20-2007 Over year old.
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inkspot1967
rrProfessor
Location: cranston ri.

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What is of interest to me is that Scott Grey is one of only a handful of the 'Top Guns' using a LiPo Rx Batt.


not true Curtis Youngblood ,Alan szabo jr ,Danny szabo ,Jason krause all use lipoly packs in there heli's just to name a few. there are plenty more top guys who do as well

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06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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not true Curtis Youngblood ,Alan szabo jr ,Danny szabo ,Jason krause all use lipoly packs in there heli's just to name a few. there are plenty more top guys who do as well

I thought most of them are sponsored by Dulalite and using the Duralite LiIon batteries.



06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
inkspot1967
rrProfessor
Location: cranston ri.

curtis's heli with evo pack


jason's with tp pack


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Vibe50fbs
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06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

I'd stick with LiIon myself. I don't trust LiPos for RX packs.



06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
BlakeMcBrayer
Elite Veteran
Location: Georgetown, Ky

My vote is for the Arizona. I feel it's a better to have the dual outputs (one fixed for gyro and one adjustable), this way you can dial in the voltage that is appropriate for your servos.

I also like the fact that all of the final assembly of Fromeco products is done by only the two owners of Fromeco. I tend to feel the quality is gonna be a little higher than a foreign assembly line regulator.


Looking at the two previous pictures leads me to a question?

How are they running three and four cell packs? I know the Fromeco regulator will only hand a two cell pack and thought the same for the Duralite regulator?


As for L-ion vs Lipo? I prefer the Lions, as they are a hard cased battery and much harder to tear up in a crash. I also like the fact that they are almost as safe to charge as nickel based batteries. Thus being some what safe to charge in the heli. I would think it would be a major pain to remove a Lipo pack from the heli every time it needed a charge. There is no way in heck I'd charge a Lipo in the heli?

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Don't come off the throttle untill you see your GOD!
06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
BlakeMcBrayer
Elite Veteran
Location: Georgetown, Ky

Upon a second look, I see Jason is only running a two cell pack.

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Don't come off the throttle untill you see your GOD!
06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
baddraptor
Elite Veteran
Location: valencia, ca- usa

I am with Blake on the LiIon for nitro birds. Just seems MUCH safer. And I cant help but think that the vibs from a nitro bird would eventually wear through a LiPo pack.

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06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
inkspot1967
rrProfessor
Location: cranston ri.

curtis pack is the new evo 4200mah 2s2p pack
jason's is a tp 2s pack as well

Trex700fbs soon
Vibe50fbs
Next-D Rave
WENZEL CANOPYS
Flybars are for wimps
06-20-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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