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Flybarless Rotor Head Systems > Is flybarless the future?
 
 
furychamarro
Senior Heliman
Location: Villahermosa, Mexico

Due to the mods many people are doing to their TREX taking the flybar out, just curious is flybarless will be the future?

Any advantage over the flybar system?

Thanks,
06-18-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8gator
Key Veteran
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

Hello

IMHO yes electronically assisted flybarless is the next evolution of RC helis, just like the transition from mechanical mixing to ECCPM.

Advantages:
*Less components for slop to develop
*Ability to change how the head behaves in flight
*Ability to have the feel of a stable flybar at center stick and extreamly agressive cyclic at the extreams
*Less rotor head drag so a more efficient rotor system

Dissadvantages:
Vibration will hinder the preformance of the cyclic...but vibration is bad anyways...

Flybarless is the future.

C
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
hedgebird
Senior Heliman
Location: New Canaan, 06840 CT, USA & Copenhagen, Denmark

I fully agree, and would also say that the transition is like from mechnical, or revo-mix to the gyros we have today. I is only a matter of time before we all are flying flybarless.

There was (according to the legend) many that did not want to move to the modern gyro, and said that it wouldn't be like flying a heli at all if this was controlled electronically, but take a look today, who do you know you does not use a gyro

The future is here to stay!

AMA 881220 2 x Swift16 (one Flybarless), 3 x TREX600, TREX450
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
jetranger
Veteran
Location: PERHAM M.E.

Flybarless

Flybarless was the furture back in 1985 when GMP made the Ledgend--strange how it took 22 years to catch on, My 85 Ledgend out flys my X-cells, but the only difference is the X-cell's with a fly bar are so smooth. The flybarless you have to fly it all the time. Now a flybarless X-cell that could be one super hot rod of a heli
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Furious Predator
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

i have to disagree with the evolution of "CCPM"....i HATE it!!!! what a pain in the A$$!!!!!!

it takes me all of a couple minutes to setup and tune a mechanical system, while a CCPM system takes me sometimes hours to get all interactions out. god forbid you need to change something!!

ccpm might have increased performance to some level, but i think with the servo technology we have today, its not needed. i would rather take the time to fly then to setup. look how well the raptors are doing! i was ALMOST going to get a raptor just because it DOESN'T have CCPM.

but thats just my opinion.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Cratering the earth one heli at a time
06-19-2007 Over year old.
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heliboy1023
Veteran
Location: Tinton Falls, NJ

maybe...

It might, but I don't see it happening for another 5-10 years. The price for the flybarless systems that are good, are easily over $700, and the advantages of the current systems really aren't worth the price. However, once gyro tecnology advances, and microchips become more powerful, I can see flybars becoming a thing of the past.

You know you have to many heli's only when your wallet is empty.
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Eco8gator
Key Veteran
Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

There are problems with CCPM because of implementation, the idea is great. Keep in mind that some radios for the longest time had pulse signals to the cyclic servos that were out of sync, on top of not having matched servos. There has been lots of work to improves pulse synchronization and better servos. Also new mixing systems seem to resync the pulses so interaction can be reduced significantly.

I do love how easy it is to setup a mech system but I do not like haveing to deal with more mechanical components than I need to. Right now its so easy to maintain my TREX 450 in the flybarless configuration with my custom electronics not to mention I like the stability while at center and the extream cyclic response I get at the extreams.

C
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
bigdad390
Veteran
Location: e. liverpool, ohio

Quote 
Flybarless was the furture back in 1985 when GMP made the Ledgend--strange how it took 22 years to catch on, My 85 Ledgend out flys my X-cells, but the only difference is the X-cell's with a fly bar are so smooth. The flybarless you have to fly it all the time. Now a flybarless X-cell that could be one super hot rod of a heli

I used to fly a flybarless head GMP Legend 15 years ago or so. What a great flying helicopter. We did not use electronic flybarless systems back then, just a great mechanical design and from a US company. I converted an x-cell 60 to flybarless and flew it for a while that way, but whent back to the flybar since those old x-cells were so smooth.
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
OICU812
rrProfessor
Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada

V Stabi is the future, no doubt about it.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
3Dx
rrAdvertiser
Location: Monterrey NL Mexico!

Very interesting Topic….
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
The man
Veteran
Location: at home

...2 years from now, 1/2 the helis will be flybarless....1 year from now, all helis will come default in CCPM..... Wait, doesn't all electrics now comes in CCPM. Now how much does the 600N flybar system weight. Can finally get it down to 7lbs.
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Autoeject
Key Veteran
Location: Ashtabula, OH, USA

I know I'm really liking my converted Raptor 50. I saved the flybar junk incase I wanted to put it back on but it's now just collecting dust. I have not intention of putting the flybar back on that heli.

Trex 600 is next on the modification block

Mark Webber
wai-rc.com
Spartan RC Distributor
Outrage Helicopters
06-19-2007 Over year old.
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dialarotor
Veteran
Location: Traverse City, Michigan

Personally I hope ALIGN doesn't abandon the TREX 450 HDE. It is a nice flying heli and is easy for beginners to set up and understand.
Also older legacy radios can be used, those without CCPM programming like the FUTABA 7UHF, or even the old CONQUEST 5NLH and CONQUEST 6 radios. If the HDE disappears that leaves only the HELIMAX MX400 available for lovers of mechanical mixing. Maybe the KYOSHO CALIBER 400, not sure on that one.

Carbon fiber paint stick maker
06-19-2007 Over year old.
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Eyefly
Veteran
Location: Charlotte, NC

Check it out fellas... Looks like it will be sooner rather than later. This guy will have one out for the trex soon enough.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=698121
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Edders
Senior Heliman
Location: Suffolk,UK

yes its the future
think of it like true flyby wire
make the heli very unstable then put electronic stabalation back in and youve now got a heli with more room for new stuff (yet to be discovered)


Edders

Sponsored by Real Raptors and CSM
06-19-2007 Over year old.
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JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

Yes, it's the future. I'm quite certain of it.

- John

MSH Protos
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
MJWS
Key Veteran
Location: Airdrie, AB - Canada

The costs just need to continue to fall, and we'll start to see widespread adoption. Anywhere around $500 and I think we'd get many more takers. I'd be up for it in a second around there, at $1000 the impulse purchase is tougher.

Definately the future, imho. No different than a modern jet, completely unstable and unflyable without computer assistance. But man will it move when you ask it to.

Mike
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Autoeject
Key Veteran
Location: Ashtabula, OH, USA

Right now, I've only got about $400 in mine. That is with the stock head modified just a bit. And used gyros.

Mark Webber
wai-rc.com
Spartan RC Distributor
Outrage Helicopters
06-19-2007 Over year old.
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JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

> Anywhere around $500 and I think we'd get many more takers

The CSM system is available for $450 (or less). That's two SL720s and a CycLock. Add another $50 if you need the USB interface.

I do agree prices need to drop even from that to get a more widespread adoption rate.

- John

MSH Protos
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
paxaran
Heliman
Location: New York, New York

what is this V-Stabi? Not quite sure I understand that their web site is in german, at least for the descriptive part of it.
06-19-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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