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Main Discussion > Here's How To Make a set of blades out of two single ones (crash survivals)
 
 
switch26
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Location: CA

ok guys i've been asked many times,How do you balance two diferent blades to make a set from two crash survivals?well this is going to take just alitle time to explain,but hopefully by the time youre done reading this you should be able to make your own set of blades out of two single blades,

the process is simple and require some simple tools,i used a cheap $12 digital scale and a kyosho blade balancer,you could doit with just the balancer it self and will still work just fine but i prefer to use a scale,you'll also need a drill and some drill bits,a marker,some plumbers soldering led and some epoxy or JB weld,ill include some pictures as i go so heres how...

the first step is to put each indibidual blade on a digital scale,mark the lighter blade with a marker,i use a water marker this way i can clean it easily with out using any solvents,



ok so the lighter blade is only about 5 grams lighter,you can mark it as the lighter blade as explained,now lets get some led,the goal here is to achive a 190.9 on both blades,right?so ill put both the blade and the led to come up with a total weight of 190.9 grams



ok next step is to find the center of gravity on the heavier blade and mark it,



put the lighter blade on top of the heavier blade that you just marked and transfer the mark onto the lighter blade,this is the tricky part,put the heavier blade aside and now put the lighter blade on the balancer with the mark that you just transfered right at the balance point on the balancer,




at this point if the blades have a diferent center of gravity you will balance both the weight and the cg to one another,in rare ocasions you will find that the blades all though weight diferently they might be cg'd at the same spot,

in that case you will have to put the necesary weight,i.e led right at the center of gravity mark,this way youre only matching the weight with out changing the center of gravity,i hope im not losing you here,



ok so now we know where to place the led,mark it with a marker,now lets put both blades on the balancer to double check and place the led right where you marked it,both blades should balance perfectly,



aint that a beauty? Just Kidding,heres the blades being balanced



notice the led,this is where i marked it and this is where all that led will be going,



now all you need to do is drill a 1/4 inch hole right on the mark for the led but remember you dont want to doit on the top side of the blade,doit under the blade so it doesnt show,start the drilling with a small drill bit and work your way till you get to 1/4 inch,drill the hole on the thickest part of the blade,usualy 1/3 from the leading edge of the total blade chord width,

cut the led in real small pices or if you can find some real small pellets would work better,unfortunately i havent been able to find them my self and this has worked great for me,once you cut the led in small enough pices you can mix some JB weld and mix it with the led,

put the blade on the scale and start filling in the hole till the blade comes up to the needed weight,allow the JB weld to cure,usually overnight once is all cured you can either sand it off flush to the surface of the blade or put just alitle clear cilicon and let it dry,recheck the blades and youre good to go,

im sorry if this is too long of an explenation,im trying to cover everything so that by the time you finish reading this you can do your own blade matching,if theres any questions regarding this topic just shoot me a pm and ill do the best i can to help you,hope this works for you guys,save those blades and save some cash

happy flying
Raf
06-12-2007 Over year old.
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Nightstalker
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Location: UK (BEDFORDSHIRE)

Thats a cool post well worth remembering that info cheers
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switch26
Key Veteran
Location: CA

yup easy money bro,thanks for the kind words
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Propilot
Heliman
Location: Red Deer,Alberta,canada

I Have rebalanced a set of fiberglass blades with lead shot(small
lead pellets that you use to reload shot gun shells) glue in place
with ca, then finish off the holes with JB weld.
These blades were off both spanwise and cordwise and they fly great
now.

Wayne

Wayne Mitchell
06-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
switch26
Key Veteran
Location: CA

well i personaly wouldnt trust ca glue for this procedure,epoxy glue would be better but JB Weld works even better than epoxy all though JB Weld is an epoxy,it works great for me,the pellets should work great but i think the shotgun shell ones are a bit too big,but as long as theyre completely covered in JB Weld should be fine
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alcastan
Senior Heliman
Location: San Luis Potosi, Mexico

Very good info!!

I think the JB Weld would work great!!


Alejandro,

Momma used to say, life's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get!
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SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

I wonder what the implications are, if any, of damaging the strucural integrity of the blade?

If you avoid failure, you also avoid success.
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gullie667
Veteran
Location: Raleigh, NC

None. If you look close, many blades have the balanced drill holes in them, including vBlades and I think Radix too.

Helicopters - 1000 parts flying in formation.
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bbeverlie
Key Veteran
Location: Hudson,New Hampshire.USA

I agree, Should work fine with no loss of integrity! That
is until you bury them in the earth again

Good info Switch26, Thanks

AMA#846952
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rotor- shark
Veteran
Location: uk

all i do is put a small piece of tape onto the end of one blade,balances perfectly,flies perfectly balanced,and i can't tell the difference between that and the "official" way.

all comments are my opinion only!
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JAGNZ
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Yup, I would be inclined to use electrical tape to balance my mixed sets, just like we all used to do with woodies...doesn't look as nice but with black and white blades it would be hard to tell.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, T700N, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
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switch26
Key Veteran
Location: CA

electrical tape will work fine only if the blades are not too far off from one another,but remember to balance the center of gravity,the blades have to be the same center of gravity,well as far as any implications,

theres non if you just follow instructions here,this is the way all manufacturers balance theyre blades,one thing i forgot to mention,you will not necessarily use all the 5grams of led,the JB Weld is going to add to the total weight,

this is why you should put your blade on the scale while filling in the hole,i already did mine as of last night and i probably used half of the 5 grams of led only,heres a couple pictures for you guys

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YSRRider
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Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

you cant balance MS blades... those $#@%ing things are hallow!
06-13-2007 Over year old.
 
 
switch26
Key Veteran
Location: CA

yup those are hollow,you can balance any blade Bro,it doesnt matter if they're hollow or solid,this process applies to any kind of blades,

i can balance any blade if anyone needs them balanced for a small fee,but i wanted to post the instructions so anyone could doit them selves,you'll just have to deside if is worth the money since you'll be paying shipping both ways though
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TDriver
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Location: Portage IN

switch26

Very good info thanks..
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YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

I've mastered blade balancing using the KOLL/X-CELL balancer. me personally, I wouldnt trust gluing anything inside a hollow blade, if it breaks lose the force will more than likely shoot it out the tip of the blade which could be a deadly flying projectile, and could also cause the rest of the blade to break apart, if one blade goes badly out of balance in flight.... the whole machine is done!

balsa or foam core..... yeah, that would be fine for sport flying... anything else.... I'll pass! and let me know when your flying, I'll be hiding in my car!
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switch26
Key Veteran
Location: CA

well my friend then this thread is definetly not for you,i started this to help others,seems like you dont like doing it,then dont doit,it is simply to save those good blades and save you some cash,i have been doing this for years,

did i mention that the manufacturers do this all the time,it doesnt matter if they are hollow or not,the JB Weld is not going to let go trust me,it wont,besides we're not talking about a whole lot of weight here what do you think is holding the led weights on all the blades?you do know there's alot of weight in there right?

im not sure but i think half the weight of the blade is led weight and is about an inch and a half from the tip of the blades,i have never seen those shoot out of any blades and depending on the blades it is about half the weight of the entire blade if not more,

if you dont feel safe doing it then dont doit Bro,i wouldnt doit if i knew it wasnt safe,oh yeah,ill let you know when im flying so you can hide,but dont worry i dont think i want to go to Ilinois just to fly,so youre safe
Happy Flying
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kangarooster
Senior Heliman
Location: Orlando Fl-USA

switch26,
Nice "how to".
When I do it, I balance chordwise also,
drill from the top
and use epoxy.
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switch26
Key Veteran
Location: CA

Hey kangarooster

thanks for the complement Bro,what do you mean drill from the top?
in the early days we used to balance the blades by incerting a rod right through the leading edge of the blade,

if you follow my instructions and pay close attention to where to place the weight it will work just fine,the weight is placed one third of the total chord measurement from the leading edge,this way you will maintain the chordwise balance as the blade was built from factory
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kangarooster
Senior Heliman
Location: Orlando Fl-USA

switch26,
I prefer to drill the hole in the top of the blade on the theory that the bottom of the blade is in tension when flying and I do not want to weaken it by destroying some of the fibers.
That is also why I use epoyy.
Most of the blades that I have checked balance slightly forward of the center of lift,so 1/3 back seems a little far.
These are just my personal preferences.
The way you are doing it will work well.
06-13-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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