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Computer Flight Simulators > iVol is Here! Quick review.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

I received my new Reflex update plus the iVol controller yesterday.

The package is superb (black box with foam to protect the controller) and includes iVol, reflex CD, usb cable and an ivol pin.

So far I just installed the software (in windows XP SP2) , configured the channel assignment and tried the sim for some minutes only.

The software runs MUCH more fast than the older versions. With the previous version I couldn't run a film in windows media player and reflex at the same time (the film wouldn't run) , and now they both run perfect. Didn't compare both versions fps at the same conditions, but must be way better in the new version.

The iVol feels good (maybe the gimbal springs are little soft for what I'm used to with my 9C, but just a matter of get used to them). This thing is bigger than the 9C, and also the gimbals have more separation within each other (sorry for my english). Again I'll have to get used to the new layout, but ergonomics aren't bad.
Only thing I don't like much for now is the location of the switches (It comes with 2 of 6 possible switches installed). They don't feel comfortable, and I don't think the other 4 that you can install later would feel good either, but -again- may be just a matter of getting used to it.

As for the functions, the controller software with the version installed does not allow (at least I couldn't find a way in my first contact with it) for flight mode switch, so you must set different settings in the model parameters if you want to fly the same model with different settings (expo, rates, pitch limits...). I hope the reflex team will provide us soon a new version of the iVol software that includes that functionality that I feel essential.

New are some helis, airplanes and 2 nice sceneries, plus the functionality associated to the new interfaces (iVol and slimstick).

The next monday I'll try to upload some pics to my gallery and provide more info once I am able to test more my new toy.

Best regards

Is there a life outside the sim?
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
ez2bgman
Elite Veteran
Location: N'awlins, LA

Sorry but that controller is one of the UGLIEST controllers that I have ever seen. The ergonomics look horrible. Good luck with it.

Gary
RJX of USA
Magnum Fuels
SwitchGlo
>Hot Girlz in da gallery<
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

I still havent got a clue why iVol...
I must be stupid, but I just dont get it.

I already connect the radio which I fly my real models on to the sim.
Why would I buy a perhaps-in-the-future-radio that might be able to control my models.

I rather pay for a expansion pack with tons of new stuff.
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
brod
Senior Heliman
Location: Blackpool.U.K.

have to agree,surely a sim using a strange,differant size controller,is not practise at all.Going back to the 'real' one will feel strange again
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
CustomPC
Veteran
Location: Sydney, NSW - Australia

I've been procrastinating over whether to upgrade to the iVol for a while now and you just help cement my decision not to.

Tell me, is it worth upgrading to the new mini usb stick and Reflex 5.0.4
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

Well, not that it is something I needed; I just wanted to try it, and I think it was not a bad decision.

¿Ugly? hmmm... It's a matter of taste. I think there are many tx's ugier than this, and the photos don't make it justice. I'm starting to like it (mine is with black covers).

I agree that for now (until they release the PC software to program it or new versions of the integrated software) the traditional way of working with the sim (vía slimstick with a separate radio) is better.

I'll keep you informed. Feel free to ask any question, and as soon as I can I'll answer; I'm quite busy at work lately and little free time

Is there a life outside the sim?
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
nheather
Veteran
Location: Horsham, West Sussex, UK

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Tell me, is it worth upgrading to the new mini usb stick and Reflex 5.0.4

I wouldn't at present. The only changes in 5.04 are to support the new hardware and a couple of new aircraft and scenery.

The interesting changes (multiplayer, rotor sound etc) are promised in the Summer and beyond.

I personally wouldn't upgrade until the interesting changes actually appear - i.e. I wouldn't spend money now for no real benefit on the promise of 'jam tomorrow'.

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have to agree,surely a sim using a strange,differant size controller,is not practise at all.Going back to the 'real' one will feel strange again:confused

The real benefit comes when they bring out the transmitter module and you use the the iVol for both simulated and real model flying. However, I personally have some issues with this

(i) The facility is not available now - still more 'jam tomorrow'
(ii) Is as good as a good transmitter - the original OP makes comments about switch positions, size, quality of gymbols
(iii) Will it have the facilities - the OP makes comment about the lack of Model Memories
(iv) Would I trust my expensive aircraft with it. My only experience of Reflex hardware is the hardware dongle - you have only got to read here to work out how reliable that is - it only takes one buggy glitch to trash your heli.
(v) Servicing. JR, Futaba, Hitec, Sanwa etc have a large network of reputable service centres and spares distribution - I can't imagine the same could be said of the Reflex iVol.

So again I would have to wait some time after it has been in service before I would consider going that route.

This is not meant to diss Reflex - they are being very adventurous but as a small company they can't hope to provide the same backup as the major radio manufacturers.

These are my opinions - I'm just expressing what I would do.

Cheers,

Nigel
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

Just to clear things about quality, I talked of feeling of the gimbal springs, not about their quality. They seem very good, much smoother then my 9C. I have a 9Z (unfortunatelly it doesn't work) and the smoothness of the iVol and 9Z gimbals may be close.

I couldn't make the springs as strong as they are in my 9C. I tried some time ago lighter spring settings in my 9C, and didn't like it, but sure it's just a matter of getting used to it.

Is there a life outside the sim?
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
AV8TOR
Veteran
Location: Central Ohio

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still havent got a clue why iVol...
I must be stupid, but I just dont get it.

I already connect the radio which I fly my real models on to the sim.
Why would I buy a perhaps-in-the-future-radio that might be able to control my models.



I completely agree.
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
MJWS
Key Veteran
Location: Airdrie, AB - Canada

Isn't the intent on the controller to be one that is software configurable? That should have all kinds of potential. Every switch and function programmable. Default profiles. Likely near unlimited models. All with a nice fullscreen computer interface...

Sounds cool to me. But I'll be waiting for a little funtionality besides 'joystick' before I sign up.

Mike
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

One strange thing: can't find the model's and sceneries folders, so I don't know how to add all the custom models and scenes that I had in the previous version

EDITED: I've found it: now the models are in the all users' documents and settings folder

Is there a life outside the sim?
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
rotor- shark
Veteran
Location: uk

why do i want to pay more money for an ivol that will control the simulator AND my real model,when i already have a real transmitter that will control the simulator AND my real model.

all comments are my opinion only!
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
MJA
Key Veteran
Location: Cumbria-UK

The interesting changes (multiplayer, rotor sound etc) are promised in the Summer and beyond.


I wouldn't hold my breath re the online Multiplayer happening
anytime soon.
Reflex have posted in past on RR as considering online Multiplayer as a "toyish" feature and not something a serious practise simulator should have. :-)
This was in one of those "is G2/G3 better than Reflex"
or "what simulator should i get" type threads.
People have been asking about online multiplay for about 2 years now


Martin
04-12-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

For those asking, I agree that for now iVol may not be the way unless you are beginning in the hobby and don't want to spend money in a radio just to drive the simulator. If I had this option 4 years ago, I probably would not have broke an expensive 9Z that is also expensive to repair.
However, I think the few new models and sceneries, and the highly improved graphics performance do justify upgrading to the new version at the price of the new slimstick interface.

What I don't know is the politics of the Reflex team if you later want to go to iVol. Will they exchange slimstick for iVol? At the same price you pay now for exchanging it for the old interface?

Getting back to my particular iVol review:

It works great in models with governor activated And I'm beginning to get used to the different layout of controls and feeling of the gimbals.

However, if you deactivate governor:

*I noticed that the trims don't work at the extremes (they work arround center, but if you pull per example the throtle stick to the highest or lowest value (+100/-100) and move the trim up or down, the value does not change, so I couldn't simulate the throtle going to idle at low stick and cut with trim down. It simply cuts at low stick.

* iVol for now does not send a pitch channel, what makes sense 'cause we don't have a way to mix channels or program pitch and throtle curves. Both Pitch and Throtle must be assigned to channel 2 wich gives a linear response -100,0,100, what makes imposible to fly inverted if governor is deactivated (negative pitch gives low throtle values.

* Throtle hold switch does not work. Again, there's no mixing, so the switch don't change the throtle value; just activates the autorotation funcion of the simulator.

So you are practically tied to the governed model option only Until they release the iVol programming software.

Model and scenery selection seem to work better than before, although it may be just that I haven't copied the huge amount of models and sceneries that I have in the folder of the previous version. It stil has no way of "collapsing" all the tree to only view the root and th whole tree is displayed by default. I think it's a simple option to implement and that way would be easier to find the model you want to load when you have many.

RMK (model constructor) is a new version. I didn't see any new functions in a quick view opening one of my models (see my gallery), but i suppose they corrected some of the issues it had (I must say that the previous version was very stable). When I have some free time I'd like to remake from scratch my millenium II model and try it

RSK (scenery constructor) does not come installed by default, but I suppose that you can install the same version available from their web site. Would be great that all we could make our favourite sceneries, but being in german I only installed it when it was released and didn't even try to use it.

Best Regards.

Is there a life outside the sim?
04-13-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

A photo to compare the iVol size against futaba 9C.


Some more in my gallery.

I made a photo of the gimbal too, but couldn't upload yesterday. The gimbal stick is holow, so there's room for a stick switch in the future (I never used one, so don't know if it's worth, but the possibility is there).

Talking about durability, my iVol felt to the floor from my computer desk and it has no scratck. Only the left rotary knob didn't hold to the ball bearing it seats on. I used a drop of loctite to fix it and it seems to hold well. There's a little ball that makes the center "click" that may fall if the knob gets out, so care must be taken with this.

After a couple of weeks of using it, gues what? 9C stick springs seem too hard...

I managed to fix the cyclic ring I use with 9C (futaba big servo wheel) but couldn't make a fhoto yet.

Is there a life outside the sim?
05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
gottahaveit
New Heliman
Location: uk

i dont understand reflex. pheonix comes along with alot of great features and reflex's answer to the competition is to bring out a toy like controller that will most likely be a laughing stock of the flying field! why bring out a controller when your own tx does the job perfectly?!

reflex should be bringing out great patches/updates to xtr bringing u features like multiplayer etc.

just my 2 cents
05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

What makes me really laugh is how some ones don't have the balls to write their opinions with their usual alias and register a new one.

Is there a life outside the sim?
05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Tom Hall
Heliman
Location: Sacramento, CA USA

I'm sorry, but that XTR is so ugly I wouldn't use it if they gave it to me. It reminds me of:





I always thought the point of a sim was to use the transmitter you would use at the field, as the more familiar you become with its various controls and modes, the easier you can use this experience when you fly your real model.

Tom
05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
bilbo
Senior Heliman
Location: Boston, MA - USA

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What makes me really laugh is how some ones don't have the balls to write their opinions with their usual alias and register a new one.

Not sure why you'd think someone would be scared to criticize an RC simulator. It's probably just someone newly signed up with the forum.
05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
Pelos
Senior Heliman
Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

After some years arround here you know when an alias registered in less than 24 hours belongs to someone that is not new in this forum. Specially when not asking to know things better but talking bad about something he/she does not know.
And I'm not talking about his/her opinion (I may agree partially), but about the way is put in this forum.

Is there a life outside the sim?
05-01-2007 Over year old.
 
 
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