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SemiArticulate
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My research on the R50 is showing it costs more than the sceadu to get it how I want it. So what are the costs of crash parts like compared to the raptor? I think if it is a mini freya it would cost about as much to repair as a freya. I cant really decide if I want to go the 50 route or save up and get another Freya. I really like my Freya but I think it needs a 90 in it. What is the extent of the of the over heating problems on the Sceadu? I don't want to just "run it rich" because I don't want to just throw fuel into the air. Thanks.

01-27-2002 Over year old.

JSaleska
Senior Heliman
Location: Navarre FL

I haven't had any overheating problems on my Sceadu OS50 combo. I'm in NW Florida, and I've only had her for about 3 months now. You can checkout Ronlund's site or Heliproz's site to compare the parts cost. In reallity the cost is pretty comparable. The kit is pretty comparable with the Raptor when you consider all the upgrade parts most people put on the Raptor that the Sceadu already has.

Boom supports that don't break
Boom Mounted Servo
Shares the same Swashplate as the Freya (ie it's a good one)
The 50 comes standard now with the DTDS constant drive tail
3rd Bearing support on the main shaft
CCPM upgradeable, but I don't see how it would be much better
Stock paddles are highly adjustable for weight
Better Stabalizer control setup (double sided -- no flex)
Best Tail control in a 30 or 50 class ship on the market

AS you can tell -- I'm a little biased
Don't get me wrong -- the Raptor is and probably always will be a great helicopter for the money. The Sceadu is just a few steps up on the ladder though.

Jon sends....

01-27-2002 Over year old.

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Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Sceadu parts list here:
http://volkul.tripod.com/pages/Heli...sh&upgrade.html

Raptor vs Sceadu

I have owned both a Raptor and a Sceadu.
Built 3 Raptors and 2 Sceadu

I prefer the Sceadu.

Why?

Assy:
Better clutch
Tail boom support rods that won't crack
More solid swash (It has the Freya swash)
Tail drive belt system is much better than the Raptor
Tail rotor hub assy is solid.
Tail mounted servo and control rod system.
KIT comes with a muffler.
Looks much better than the raptor
GOOD Japanese bearings and not some cheap other bearings
DTDS (direct tale drive system)

Flight:
easy flyer right out of the box, just follow the set up instructions.
I think it flies straighter in FFF than the Raptor
Hover is much smoother too (with the weights in the paddles)

Cost of repair is similar

Is it worth the extra 100. You bet! Hirobo spent some extra time on the machines design and it shows. It is easily upgraded to a 50 size machine too. When it's a 50 WOW, it's impressive. You won't have any regrets with the Sceadu. At the end of the day when I compare how much I had to put into my Raptors as opposed to how little I have put into my Sceadu's. I save money with the Sceadu.

BTW, I cut and pasted mine from a standard answer sheet I have made up.

As for it being a mini Freya, in design yes. In flight with an OS 50, HELL NO! The Sceadu is a ROCKET SHIP. Total blast to fly. It can be smooth like the Freya if you want it to be, or you can just have fun bouncing the ship around in the air. I won't ever go back to a 30 machine...

Ken B

01-27-2002 Over year old.

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SemiArticulate
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Thanks for the replies. I don't think you can be considered biased unless Hirobo is paying you

. I'd probably pay the extra $100 not to deal with the raptor clutch liner.

Yes Vokul, I read your post in another thread. It was your post that made me realize the R50 would end up being more expensive.

So for a harder question:
I can't decide between getting it or another Freya. I guess I'll just need to crunch some numbers. How do you compare it to a Freya 90?

01-27-2002 Over year old.

Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Well, I love my Freya. I love my Sceadu.

They are 2 different machines without a dought. I like ripping throught the sky with the Sceadu so much. I like the smooth flight of the Freya.

There is more than enough room in the hanger for both. My best suggestion is get the Sceadu 50 and have the Freya too. Having 2 of the same ships is boaring. That's why I don't own 2 of the same and am looking at getting a Fury to add to my hanger.

Cost compared the Sceadu is cheaper to fix than the Freya, admitably I need to figure out the savings but I'm sure it is. Considering I have near totaled my Sceadu twice. It would have cost me much more if it where my Freya.

Just get the Sceadu.....you know you want too.

BTW, have you looked at the Voyager 50? It's nice too (just threw that in to make you think)

Ken B

01-27-2002 Over year old.

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JPBIII
Senior Heliman
Location: Birmingham,Al

Glad to see some more positive feedback on the Sceadu 50. It seems like from surfing all the forums lately that I have been picking up some bad feelings about the Sceadu. I have one ready to start building , when I finish rebuilding my Raptor 60. Volkul's praise for it is one reason I chose the Sceadu 50 . I already fly a Raptor 46 ,so I was looking for something different.

01-27-2002 Over year old.

SemiArticulate
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Location: On Location

Yes I guess I've never really subscribed to the 'two of the same heli' idea either. I can get repair parts in time to fly it again next weekend if needed and thats good enough for me. I have not looked at the Voyager as it seems like JR's prices are sometimes out of wack. I guess I'll wait for the next batch of Sceadu's with the three upgrades instead of blades. The weather here is not very good yet so I'm not in a big hurry but I like to plan these things out well in advance. Thanks a lot for your help.

JPBIII, what have you been hearing?

01-27-2002 Over year old.

Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Semi,

You can get your new Sceadu today. What they are doing is including a certificate inside the box. You send it to Hirobo/Altec and they send you the parts. In the mean time the machine is flyable as is.

As for negative, well I can tell you those too.
The frames are weak (fixed with the 3rd bearing upgrade)
The main gear strips (Fixed with the DTDS upgrade)
The canopy mounts are a PITA (fixed with a minor modification, see my web site)
The 570 main blades are wrong for the kit (fixed by removing them entirely and adding the upgrade parts in their place, now you can get 600mm blades for the kit)
Engine cooling... (this is still a gray area, some have problems some don't, you can install a homemade shroud and just be done with it)

The key is Altech/Hirobo has listened to the consumers and responded. They are rekiting and making the Sceadu 50 a fine machine. When it initially released I bitched loudly about how the 50 kit was not reasonable and fairly priced in comparision to the 30. Now I think it is. Altech is the distributor for Hirobo products in the USA and they are doing a great job keeping the customer happy. This is mostly due to there rep in the office Jeff Green/ampex456. Not Horizion, greatplanes, minair, or ace have a rep working as hard as Jeff.

Please don't take just my word on this subject. I'm sure others would be willing to fall on the sword for Jeff too. There are 3 main people I have come to respect more than any in this hobby business. Jeff Green, Steven (cyberheli) and Ron Lund. They work hard for my money and I appreciate it.

I am not paid to endorse them nor am I forced to. I am just joe consumer like you. I try to find the best deal that my money can buy. When I find a product I like, I'm not shy about letting everyone know what it's like.

Ok, I got a little excited, sorry. I can't help it I LOVE THIS HOBBY!

Ken B

01-27-2002 Over year old.

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JPBIII
Senior Heliman
Location: Birmingham,Al

There was a topic in the heli forum at Rotory.com , and also the points that Volkul mentioned. The negative talk hasn't changed my thoughts on the heli. I am looking forward to getting time to build mine.

01-27-2002 Over year old.

SemiArticulate
Veteran
Location: On Location

I like to wait for my check from the IRS before buying a new kit

. They steal my money, its nice that they give some of it back.

Yes, I've heard about Jeff Green. His name came up a lot at the Jamboree. All good things. The Hirobo booth in general was very friendly but I could not understand what most of them were saying

. One of their pilots gave me his fuel since he could not take it on the plane.

Here is what it looks like so far:
888325 1 HPM Shroud Extension Sceadu $13.99 -- $13.99
103075 4 Fut 9202 Servo $54.99 -- $219.96
109282 1 Futaba GY401 w/S9253 CALL! $299.99 -- $299.99
403916WE 1 Sceadu 50, OS .50, FREE UPS! $599.99 -- $599.99
121615 1 JR Extra Pk, 4c Flat 1800 mah $32.95 -- $32.95
129660 1 V-Blades 600mm N 12mm $105.00 -- $105.00
Subtotal: $1,271.88

Will the 9202 servos allow the 50 to do hard 3D or attempts at hard 3D without worry? I have 9206 servos in my Freya but they are twice the price. Maybe I should add a governor and/or better muffler or pipe? I also upgraded the radius block and mixing arm base on my Freya when I bought it, is any such upgrade a good idea on the sceadu or is it already done? Thanks again.

01-27-2002 Over year old.

Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Let me help you save some money.

Cyclic servos 9202s or 9001s (2ea 40 to 50)
Throttle servo 9001 or lesser (25-40)
Collective servo 9204 (cyberheli has them for 89.99)
GY 401 combo (cyberheli has it for 200.00)
Cooling shroud, just make it your self easy to do with a detergent bottle. Look here: http://volkul.tripod.com/pages/Heli...eadu_shroud.htm

V blades are nice but if you get the SABs or NHP you can save a few more bucks. Just avoid the MS in the 600s there have been some complaints.

Savings about $250

Mixing arm, seesaw has no upgrades yet... If you want an aluminium swash the Eagle swash is a direct replacment. 89 @ cyberheli

Skip the gov, I'm running the stock muffler, I say try the CY pipe, I here it really works well with the 50.

No need to spend all the money uncle sam gives you back. Save some for fuel

Ken B

01-27-2002 Over year old.

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SemiArticulate
Veteran
Location: On Location

I've never used Cyberheli. How are they on warranty issues? I've had to send my 401 servo back to hobby services before so I like having the US warranty. I might try them with kits and parts but I hesitate to use them for engines or electronics.

I looked at your website and it was very informative and easy to navigate. Thats a neat solution to the cooling shroud. The last time I tried to get SABs they seemed to be out of stock everywhere. If they are as nice as V-blades then I'll give them a shot. The stock radius block seemed to be an issue with the Freya, I have not heard about any problems on the sceadu but I wasn't sure. The swash has not been a problem on my Freya but that is a good price.

I can't wait to get my hands on one of these Sceadus and its all your fault.

01-28-2002 Over year old.

Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

I run my Sceadu stock and will probably not add any upgrades to it. The stock swash works just fine no need to put another fancy piece of metal on it. (Volkul and I generally agree on things, upgrading is one we don't

).

The Stock muffler with the OS50 will generate TONS of power, I don't think I'll upgrade to a pipe in the near future either.

I run the infamous MS600 blades on my Sceadu. I do get some 0 degree flutter but nothing major that people have been complaining about. If I'd buy today, I'd probably get SABs instead though.....

CyberHeli is really nice, Stephen is a good guy and gives top notch customer service. I shop most of the time at HeliProz though (I am guessing your prices came from there too

). They used to have the 401/9253 combo for $250. At that price with free shipping I thought it was agood deal and not worth going for "grey" market stuff. Your case might be different if you're planning on buying more stuff from Cyberheli they might save enough to offset the shipping cost.

My Sceadu never overheated, and I run my OS 50 pretty leaned out.....

Feel free to check out my site, I have some assembly tips for the Sceadu there.....

Good luck with the Sceadu, you won't regret your choice!

P.S. The IRS says: "We've got what it takes, to take what you've got!"

01-28-2002 Over year old.

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Greg Takacs
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Location: Fort Worth, TX

Oh I forgot to comment on the servos.......

For thottle the 9202 is overkill.

I'm a JR guy (volkul is a Futaba guy) so I use JR531 on the throttle. For cyclic and collective I run JR8411s. They are probably overkill for the cyclic, but the high torque is something you definetely want for the collective.

The 1800mAh battery pack won't fit in the battery tray of the Sceadu but that should not be a big issue as you're better of mounting it on the front anyway since the Sceadu is tail heavy to start with. Just FYI.

01-28-2002 Over year old.

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Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Greg,

I havn't done any upgrades to my Sceadu that you haven't... When I was talking about the swash I was meerly suggesting that if Semi A wanted too he could. I do use that swash on my Freya though. I know you where only kidding but I felt I needed to explain anyway.

Cyberheli and warranty service: Admitably it does take longer to go through them. However Stephen will ensure your items are taken care of. I had to do a warranty repair on a 9253 servo. I sent it in to Cyberheli, they sent it to Futaba..we waited....and waited.... and waited longer... admitably I think 3 months went by. Stephen offered to go ahead and send me a new servo because things where taking way to long. I took him up on it. Was this the fault of shopping somewhere other than the USA. I don't think so. What I think is that when Futaba held back all the gyro and servo combos that where moving that mine got caught up in all that. That's my assumpsion only. Cyberheli did right by me and they replaced the servo straight up. I can't complian at all. BTW, the problem with the servo appeared to be a bad connection inside. When I wiggled the wires at the root the servo would twitch like mad.

Lastly, the radius block on the Sceadu, no mine hasn't had any real issues with wear..yet, however if your not carfull you can strip the screw hole that holds the washout arms very easily. I know I did.

Thanks for the kind words on my site, I had designed and posted my cooling shroud before Heliproz came out with theirs. I am not sure who had the idea first but I like to think I beat them to the punch. If I had a good digital camera there would be many more pictures too.

Oh, if you can't find SABs, give the NHPs a try. Mine have survived a tip over and a crash. NHPs are tough. I really was surprised at how well they held up to the crash. I figured they where a total loss when I got to the machine they where in one piece and onlt had a small nick on the trailing edge. The fact that my engine wasn't running when I crashed them might have had allot to do with them surviving. None the less I'm not complaining.

Ok, have I said enough on this subject???

Ken B

01-28-2002 Over year old.

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Greg Takacs
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Location: Fort Worth, TX

Volkul, I was obviously just kidding

. The 3rd bearing block and the DTDS is a must for the Sceadu 50, but since it comse with them from now on it is not an issue any more.

01-28-2002 Over year old.

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SemiArticulate
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Location: On Location

I usually only upgrade things that I think will help ensure that nothing goes wrong in flight, actually show a performance benefit, or looks good but isn't likely to be damaged in a crash. I would maybe look into upgrading the swash for that last reason unless the plastic one starts to develop slop. If I do, I'll get two (for the sceadu and freya) and that should justify shipping costs from cyberheli I think.

My throttle servo selection was based on what I had been hearing when I bought my Freya. I have 9206 servos on the cyclic and collective, which is a 9204 with a little better gears. In fact, if you send in a 9204 for warranty repair then they send you a 9206 back. I had heard at the time that it was best to have a faster servo or at least the same speed as the servos you had on cyclic and collective. The thinking was that the throttle should be in position at or ahead of the pitch change. That is supposed to help against bogging down the engine. In practice I don't know if that works all that well or is it a way to get you to buy another $100 servo, I am not sure? It sounds good on paper. My throttle servo on the Freya is a 9205 which is 0.11 sec./60°. I don't want to spend money for the sake of spending money buy I don't mind spending a little extra on a servo since thats the muscle in the machine. I sure don't plan on filling the 50 with all those $$$ servos if I can help it. I will stick a 9206 on the collective.

Greg, your website is very well done also. Doesn't sound like the Sceadu takes much time to build. The prices I listed are from the Heliproz website and your right, it always ends up cheaper when I call.

Thanks for helping me bring the cost down on the machine and for all the information. Both of your websites are in my favorites list now since I am sure I'll need to reference them again.

01-29-2002 Over year old.

Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

I really don't beleive much in the "thottle servo must be faster than the collective" mumbo-jumbo. In idle up mode you're not really moving the thottle by much and actually going from full negative to full positive you end up moving a whole lot of travel on your collective while almost none on the throttle.
Also if you're yanking the sticks so bad that you're faster than the throttle servo you're probably doing something wrong...... That is my take on that!

And you're right, the Sceadu goes together very easy the biggest pain was the body mounts, I think Hirobo dropped the ball on that one, but other than that it was very easy. This was my second bird that I've put together, I think it was a little more difficult than the Raptor, but nowhere near the complexity of an X-cell.

01-29-2002 Over year old.

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SemiArticulate
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Thanks for your reply. I based my servos for the Freya on Todd Bennet's (sp?) setup on his Freya. I asked Kurt at heliproz why he used that servo and thats the reason he gave. I don't know if Kurt was overly enthusiastic about the idea of it either. I figured if it was good enough for Todd (he really throws those helis around) then it is good enough for me. Thats why they pay those guys to fly

. If its all hype then it would not be the first time I got sucked in, despite the fact that I like to think I can resist that sort of thing. I had not even heard the name Todd Bennet when I put my order in but Kurt directed me to his website for setup tips and I modified my order in hopes of making my setup a little more bullet proof. But I have not seen a bogging problem that wasn't better corrected by using proper collective managment. I'll try to post some pics of the Sceadu when I get it. I really appreciate all the advice.

01-30-2002 Over year old.

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