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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > Brushless DD Tail w/ GY401 - Sweet! (Video)
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

The E-flite motors have to use the adapter rings but the Himax 2015-4100 mounts strait up very nicely
04-27-2008 06:28 AM
 
 
22crd
New Heliman
Location: bthi

OK i know prob

I forget,last time I used frame of Honey bee CP2 (spare part)I think everything its it same but not for hole of motor.
b'coz my frame BCP2 orignal was broken, my local not have BCP2 for sell.

and i heave new question please help
for pinion gear 10T 2mm I buy and try to put in shalf but it look like very loose, not fit on Himax 2015

can you tell where to buy or order its, my local not have pinion for Himax
and i check at HorizonHobby there is not support send order to my local.

Thank you
05-02-2008 04:16 AM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

I myself use the 10T pinions off the stock brushed motors

http://www.e-fliterc.com/Products/D...rodID=EFLH1110C
05-02-2008 06:36 AM
 
 
Gyronut
Elite Veteran
Location: Martinsville In.

Me to with just a dab of grn loctite.

Rick
05-02-2008 04:41 PM
 
 
22crd
New Heliman
Location: bthi

to Micro-Maniac

need help please
i finish CP2
and start test by below
1 turn on DX7
2 connect Battery cp2 and wait Speed CC18A done
3 i throttle hold to ON and wait Speed CC 9A until done.
4 i throttle hold to OFF , so i see tail blad start spin slow. and main blad not yet to spin.
5 i start push throttle to few up and main blade start spin.
6 when i increase throttle , i see tail clockwise spin (Canupy move to right when I tail in)

so how can i fix problem ?

for detail my cp2
motor = Himax + Medusa
speed = CC18A + CC9A
gyro = GY401
recive AR6100e +DX7
for config and set up of DX7 I set follow by you at last time in this thread.

Thank you
05-05-2008 02:20 PM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

Is it rotating in hover or just on the ground? It can behave oddly on the ground when the gyro is trying correct but ground contact won't let it so the gyro keeps adding more and more speed to the tail motor to get it to move to where it thinks it should be then when it does break loose from the ground it can over shoot etc - If this is the case then just give some rudder inputs while you're spooling up to cancel any corrections the gyro might be battling ground contact over - Once the heli is in the air and clear of ground contact then it should behave properly on it's own

You have to pay attention during the ESC and GY401 initializations - Make sure that the GY401 initializes while the rudder is neutral before moving the rudder to initialize the tail ESC

Also with Spektrum radios you need to make sure the RX is bound to your finalized rudder settings because sometimes it takes awhile for the RX to connect with the TX and the gyro will initialize before it does and use the RX bound position for it's neutral position - So if you bound your RX with zero sub-trim then added the sub-trim I used at one time in this thread and did not rebind the RX then the gyro could be using the bound zero as neutral and the non-bound sub-trim then becomes a command to rotate the heli - I myself have gone back to zero sub-trim on my rudder as I never use Rate mode and I don't like the feel of the sub-trim in HH mode

Go through those things and if that doesn't help we'll try to think of something else
05-05-2008 06:04 PM
 
 
22crd
New Heliman
Location: bthi

Thank

its rotate CW on ground. can't hover
and i back to see setup in DX7 , and change SUB TRIM RUDD L=44 (last time is 0 )

then i back to test again now Tail blad not run and i try by shake boom CP2 the gyro and tail blade work!

ok I start to hover again but CP2 spin like a Top on the ground
again (CW)

then i switch DIR on Gyro from REV to NOR, and test, now everything look like ok my CP2 smooth hover but!!! when i move stick Rudder to left ,CP2 canopy will turn right (its opposit) , so i back in DX7 and switch RUDD chanel(4) from rev to norm, and test agin but tail blald not spin and speed phoenix have sound "TID TID TID TID......"



Thank you for your advise

**** this my current reversing sw in my DX7****
ch 1 5 6 7 = NORM
ch 2 3 4 = REV
but when move rudder stick it will opposite
***********************************************
i used stock servo
05-06-2008 07:19 AM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

You left out how your PHX-10 arms - I'm not familiar with that ESC myself and usually refer people using PHX-10s elsewhere for help as I think they need special programming to work well as a tail ESC

I say go back and set your rudder channel (4) to rev
Set the gyro to rev
Set the rudder sub-trim to zero
Make sure theres no rudder trim in any flight mode including throttle-hold
Re-bind the RX to the TX to make sure it doesn't foul anything

Power on the tx then the heli and wait for the gyro led to go solid then perform whatever process to arm the tail ESC then return the rudder to neutral - (You don't want the GY401 to initialize to anything other than neutral rudder)

If all is well then right rudder should increase tail rotor speed and left rudder should decrease tail rotor speed otherwise you need to set the rudder channel to norm
Leaving the rudder at neutral and rotating the heli CCW should increase tail rotor speed and rotating the heli CW should decrease tail rotor speed otherwise you need to set the gyro to norm

If it still doesn't work right then I'd say either your initialization process fouled or maybe your PHX-10 needs to be programmed differently

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/p2799786/
 
05-06-2008 08:09 AM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

Thought I'd report that my Medusa tail motor finally gave out this weekend after almost a full year of heavy use - I really like this motor and put a replacement on order today - Should be here in time for next weeks fun fly
05-07-2008 12:53 AM
 
 
22crd
New Heliman
Location: bthi

to Micro-Maniac

i got problem now why its spin (CW) on ground like top

first, I fell very shy!!

last time i follow by your advise , and used USB Link for check to my speed ThunderBird 18A and 9A ,everything is correct and i up new Firmware on my speed also.

so i change stock servo to HS55x3 and follow resetup by you new again ,all sub trim to zero, I set gyro, and everything by you recommend.

i check paddle direction , i check for mail balde direction.
almost things is right but one is not.!
why?
i miss wire of Main motor himax so that mean the rotor spin miss in direction, i just observe (should to fast more this)
then i swap 2 wire on motor brushless ,The rotor spin right,

now its can Hover , am very happy , tail look good but have some wag of tail when i move rudder stick so fast and stop to all at once in left or right.

i used Lipo 3S1P 1000mA it can hover continue around 10minutes , tail motor (medusa) is cool, Main motor(Himax) no heatsink , just little warm , and my Lipo warm too. nothing to hot

so am happy now

Thankyou so much
05-07-2008 05:30 PM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

You had the main motor wired the wrong direction eh? - Yeah we've all had similar brain farts occasionally

You say you're using a Thunderbird-9 (TB-9) then? - You mentioned Phoenix before so I assumed you were using a Phoenix-10 (PHX-10) which is why I pointed you to the programming so sorry if you needlessly spent money on a Castle-Link just for some Thunderbirds

Reducing the gyro gain just a little might reduce your wagging some

Glad you got it figured out and working
05-07-2008 06:32 PM
 
 
22crd
New Heliman
Location: bthi

sorry am told miss

for confirm
i used Thunderbird-9 (TB-9) for tail
and TB-18 for rotor

and for program i follow by your hyperlink this
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/p2799786/
[url=http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t304343p1/?highlight=Phoenix+Link+GY240]

i set my speed same in these hyperlink but just differance current firmware only.

i reduce gain gyro to 35% , the tail HH is lock so good no wag , but i mean when i need to play like a sweep tail to left to right in fast , i will see tail is wag when i stop sweep. this effect is it normal?

may be i will try to send VDO link for good to see
i must find camera first

Thank
05-07-2008 07:00 PM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

I think a little bounce is normal on stops with this setup but probably no more than 1 or 2 - +45% on the gear channel is what I've been happy with on mine - Holds inverted backwards hurricanes about as fast as the little heli can travel
05-07-2008 07:06 PM
 
 
22crd
New Heliman
Location: bthi

may be possible b'coz once time the tail blade was shoot out from shaft of medusa (very dengerus)

and it make shaft was blend, so i use plier force it try to curl almost straight may be these make my medusa have problem or not?

i found this vdo in youtube
[url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=pJln_NLDJ6E]
, BCP2 of him is same (medusa) but tail look very solid (like belt) , he not used idel ,so who have some idea for this problem,

my BCP2 when it hover look so OK tail is straight, but when used rudder left or right stick it have bounc to much.

Thank you
05-08-2008 05:49 PM
 
 
22crd
New Heliman
Location: bthi

or may be my tail brushless not have power wind enough?
so how can i tune or setup for add more power of wind?

Thank you
05-08-2008 06:02 PM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

I've straightened my bent shaft a few times from crashes and I don't think it's very likely to bend beyond the bearing where it could hurt the motor

I do most all my flying in Idle-up2 so I don't get torque changes from throttling - But if you're using my throttle curves then you shouldn't experience throttle torque changes during flight in any flight mode and I rather doubt that would cause the wag you're talking about anyways

Here's someone else with a video using a Medusa/TB-9/GY401 combo showing the same kind of performance I get from my own setup
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t412585p1/

My GY401 is set like so:
DS = ON
DIR = REV
DELAY = 0
LIMIT = 100
 
05-08-2008 07:03 PM
 
 
22crd
New Heliman
Location: bthi

yes that vdo awsome.
or may be problem with my battery b'coz i used Esky lipo 3S 1000mA
i have new Lipo 3S but its 2200mA i try its but weight to much my BCP2 heavy load, no good for it.

i just order thunder power 1320mA 15C , around 1 week will got its, and i will test again.

these today i go out and filed its have more wind like beach.
i hover BCP2 and try on idel 1 and idel 2 but problem is same the tail have bounc away when have wind and when i used rudder

Thank you

i have photo too sorry for poor photo shoot

05-10-2008 03:16 PM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

Wow I like your heatsink - Where'd you find that at?

My tail sometimes wags a little when fighting high winds but most of the time it's quite still - I can't think what you're problem is - I know you can't just keep reducing your gain or your tail will become loose
05-10-2008 06:09 PM
 
 
22crd
New Heliman
Location: bthi

Heat sink i buy on my local price = 1.6$
It come from china, if you like i will ask own shop for link of heat sink's WEB site



i come back for think about of my CC Speed
and show parameter at below
Can Please,you see check it correct or not.
am not sure.

This is the Phonix Link Version (V3.05)
and
ThunderBird 18A V1.05 firmware
ThunderBird 9A V1.05 firmware

in menu tab for TB18A below this
Basic Tab ,
Cutoff Voltage = auto lipo
Direction tab = Forward
Break type = no Break


in menu tab for TB 9A below this
Basic tab
Cutoff Voltage = auto lipo
Direction tab = Reverse
Break type = Soft Break


Thank you
05-11-2008 07:29 AM
 
 
Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

I don't have a Castle Link and just run the ESCs with the default settings

Auto Lipo
Forward?
Brake Off

I installed and flew my new tail motor this weekend and I don't think it's performing quite as solidly as my last one - It too seems to have a little wag in hover and surges a bit in funnels - Not bad I may just need to reduce my gain a bit but maybe they just aren't all created equal and if lucky get a good one
05-11-2008 08:29 AM
 
 
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